| The split in the far-right vote 04:10 - Feb 18 with 13697 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Great to see. Albeit Lowe on Twitter is disturbing.
Anyone on here willing to admit they would vote Restore? Makes Farage and his lot look moderate in comparison some of that nazi sh** coming from Lowe. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 14:14 - Feb 21 with 541 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 10:47 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
So you want the UK to undertake surveillance of the entire French channel coastline? Do you think the French would be happy with that?
France takes more asylum seekers than we do as do 13th other countries in Europe on a per capita basis.
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It would actually be fairly straight forward to do, if there was a will to do it. Why would you assume that it has to be the UK carrying out surveillance ?
You have then gone off on a tangent saying France takes more asylum seekers than 13 other countries do. I’m not sure where you are trying to go with that. |  | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:35 - Feb 21 with 492 views | noggin |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:14 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
It would actually be fairly straight forward to do, if there was a will to do it. Why would you assume that it has to be the UK carrying out surveillance ?
You have then gone off on a tangent saying France takes more asylum seekers than 13 other countries do. I’m not sure where you are trying to go with that. |
"It would actually be fairly straight forward to do"
There is hundreds of miles of coastline and the Channel is the busiest shipping lane in the world. How would it be "straight forward"? |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 14:40 - Feb 21 with 467 views | StokieBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:14 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
It would actually be fairly straight forward to do, if there was a will to do it. Why would you assume that it has to be the UK carrying out surveillance ?
You have then gone off on a tangent saying France takes more asylum seekers than 13 other countries do. I’m not sure where you are trying to go with that. |
So you're expecting the French to carry out the surveillance?
I didn't say that, I said 13 countries take more than we do per capita (including France) and yet you're coming up with elaborate ideas to try and reduce the number.
Ever thought that given we're nowhere near the top of the list when taking asylum seekers you may have been sold some lies and trying to come up with elaborate solutions is a distraction from real issues?
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| The split in the far-right vote on 14:49 - Feb 21 with 435 views | noggin |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:40 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
So you're expecting the French to carry out the surveillance?
I didn't say that, I said 13 countries take more than we do per capita (including France) and yet you're coming up with elaborate ideas to try and reduce the number.
Ever thought that given we're nowhere near the top of the list when taking asylum seekers you may have been sold some lies and trying to come up with elaborate solutions is a distraction from real issues?
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I wouldn't mind betting that he lives somewhere completely unaffected by migrants. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 14:53 - Feb 21 with 423 views | leitrimblue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:35 - Feb 21 by noggin |
"It would actually be fairly straight forward to do"
There is hundreds of miles of coastline and the Channel is the busiest shipping lane in the world. How would it be "straight forward"? |
Come on, those lazy fromage eating Frenchies have nothing better to do.
They'd just be cycling around in berets and stripey shirts with a baskets full of wine, stinky cheese and baguettes if we don't keep um busy patrolling their coastline.. |  | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 16:55 - Feb 21 with 365 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:40 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
So you're expecting the French to carry out the surveillance?
I didn't say that, I said 13 countries take more than we do per capita (including France) and yet you're coming up with elaborate ideas to try and reduce the number.
Ever thought that given we're nowhere near the top of the list when taking asylum seekers you may have been sold some lies and trying to come up with elaborate solutions is a distraction from real issues?
SB |
Why wouldn’t the French carry out surveillance of their own coastline ? Especially when it’s known tens of thousands are risking their lives, some of which are dying in doing so.
Do you believe that people should be left to keep attempting to cross the channel without the French or British trying to stop it ? | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 16:56 - Feb 21 with 357 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:49 - Feb 21 by noggin |
I wouldn't mind betting that he lives somewhere completely unaffected by migrants. |
You’d be surprised. I would bet you live somewhere completely unaffected by Israelies and Palestinians though. [Post edited 21 Feb 16:57]
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| The split in the far-right vote on 17:00 - Feb 21 with 342 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:35 - Feb 21 by noggin |
"It would actually be fairly straight forward to do"
There is hundreds of miles of coastline and the Channel is the busiest shipping lane in the world. How would it be "straight forward"? |
You do realise we are past the days of a man sitting on an elevated platform patrolling with binoculars right ?
As another poster correctly pointed out, it is difficult to perform SAR and patrols at sea. Coastline around the known launch points however is a different story. | | | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 17:02 - Feb 21 with 332 views | StokieBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 16:55 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
Why wouldn’t the French carry out surveillance of their own coastline ? Especially when it’s known tens of thousands are risking their lives, some of which are dying in doing so.
Do you believe that people should be left to keep attempting to cross the channel without the French or British trying to stop it ? |
I think they should have a safer route with which to claim asylum.
Your posts on this thread haven't been about the safety of migrants, to suddenly switch to that seems highly disingenuous.
I think most can see through it.
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| The split in the far-right vote on 17:14 - Feb 21 with 311 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:02 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
I think they should have a safer route with which to claim asylum.
Your posts on this thread haven't been about the safety of migrants, to suddenly switch to that seems highly disingenuous.
I think most can see through it.
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What safer routes to claim asylum, would you suggest ? | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:20 - Feb 21 with 293 views | noggin |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:14 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
What safer routes to claim asylum, would you suggest ? |
Oh I don't know, how about legal routes from their home countries? These people don't cross continents for fun, you know. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 17:23 - Feb 21 with 287 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:20 - Feb 21 by noggin |
Oh I don't know, how about legal routes from their home countries? These people don't cross continents for fun, you know. |
Like I suggested earlier in the thread ? | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:25 - Feb 21 with 274 views | StokieBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:14 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
What safer routes to claim asylum, would you suggest ? |
If you had a real interest you could look up all the routes that have been closed by the governments of the last 10 years.
So I've checked all your posts in this thread and you never mentioned migrant safety. In fact you didn't seem to care about it at all, instead referring to their "removal upon arrival" and other posts about getting rid of them.
I find it quite insulting to the forum that you suddenly switch to that given the past posts, incredibly disingenuous.
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| The split in the far-right vote on 17:26 - Feb 21 with 272 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:33 - Feb 20 by JackNorthStand |
What are your thoughts on allowing asylum to be applied for, whilst outside of the UK? Changing the process as it currently is.
Would this have a positive effect on discouraging people to enter the UK illegally on small boats? |
So you agree with me, noggin? | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:27 - Feb 21 with 259 views | J2BLUE |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:23 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
Like I suggested earlier in the thread ? |
Out of interest, how many asylum applications do you think we get per year? |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 17:30 - Feb 21 with 243 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:25 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
If you had a real interest you could look up all the routes that have been closed by the governments of the last 10 years.
So I've checked all your posts in this thread and you never mentioned migrant safety. In fact you didn't seem to care about it at all, instead referring to their "removal upon arrival" and other posts about getting rid of them.
I find it quite insulting to the forum that you suddenly switch to that given the past posts, incredibly disingenuous.
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You haven’t answered my question, you’ve diverted and tried to make yourself to be morally superior by saying I am disingenuous and don’t care about people’s safety.
You said you would like to see safer route to which asylum can be claimed. What safer routes to claim asylum would you suggest? | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:32 - Feb 21 with 232 views | noggin |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:26 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
So you agree with me, noggin? |
It would be chaos. It might temporarily stop the drownings, but it would solve nothing. Tens of millions of people are suffering and until wealth inequality and climate change is addressed, they will continue to seek a better life. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 17:45 - Feb 21 with 207 views | StokieBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:30 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
You haven’t answered my question, you’ve diverted and tried to make yourself to be morally superior by saying I am disingenuous and don’t care about people’s safety.
You said you would like to see safer route to which asylum can be claimed. What safer routes to claim asylum would you suggest? |
I've said that routes existed, you can go and research those routes given you have such an interest.
It's nothing to do with being morally superior, if you were so concerned about migrant safety why didn't you start with that point rather than talk about forceful removal upon arrival and suchlike?
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| The split in the far-right vote on 18:15 - Feb 21 with 169 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:45 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
I've said that routes existed, you can go and research those routes given you have such an interest.
It's nothing to do with being morally superior, if you were so concerned about migrant safety why didn't you start with that point rather than talk about forceful removal upon arrival and suchlike?
SB |
You’ve said there are many, I’ve asked which ones you would suggest. Why won’t answer and give some insight ?
You have now implied that because I suggested removal on arrival of illegal immigrants, that I don’t care if people drown in the English Channel. You are clutching at straws and you should know better. Those two points aren’t mutually exclusive. [Post edited 21 Feb 18:15]
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| The split in the far-right vote on 18:20 - Feb 21 with 154 views | noggin |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:15 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
You’ve said there are many, I’ve asked which ones you would suggest. Why won’t answer and give some insight ?
You have now implied that because I suggested removal on arrival of illegal immigrants, that I don’t care if people drown in the English Channel. You are clutching at straws and you should know better. Those two points aren’t mutually exclusive. [Post edited 21 Feb 18:15]
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I think "illegal" immigrants are already removed. I takes time to find out who isn't entitled to asylum. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 18:26 - Feb 21 with 121 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:15 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
You’ve said there are many, I’ve asked which ones you would suggest. Why won’t answer and give some insight ?
You have now implied that because I suggested removal on arrival of illegal immigrants, that I don’t care if people drown in the English Channel. You are clutching at straws and you should know better. Those two points aren’t mutually exclusive. [Post edited 21 Feb 18:15]
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When you say "removal on arrival of illegal immigrants" do you mean processing claims promptly to determine whether they are illegal or whether they are eligible for asylum? Or do you mean prejudging the case and removing everyone regardless? If you mean the latter, where are you removing them to and why is that country accepting you sending them there?
How many people is this referring to? Why is it such a focus of hatred and media interest? |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 18:43 - Feb 21 with 85 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:20 - Feb 21 by noggin |
I think "illegal" immigrants are already removed. I takes time to find out who isn't entitled to asylum. |
I agree and I don’t believe this process should take place at hotels, HMOs and army barracks. People who arrive illegally should be removed on arrival.
If there is an asylum claim this can then be reviewed. | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:46 - Feb 21 with 82 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:26 - Feb 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
When you say "removal on arrival of illegal immigrants" do you mean processing claims promptly to determine whether they are illegal or whether they are eligible for asylum? Or do you mean prejudging the case and removing everyone regardless? If you mean the latter, where are you removing them to and why is that country accepting you sending them there?
How many people is this referring to? Why is it such a focus of hatred and media interest? |
Remove anyone who enters the country illegally. If asylum is being claimed, this can be processed outside of the UK such is being proposed now and was put into effect, briefly by the Tories who had an agreement to stage the asylum facility in Rwanda. | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:48 - Feb 21 with 77 views | StokieBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:15 - Feb 21 by JackNorthStand |
You’ve said there are many, I’ve asked which ones you would suggest. Why won’t answer and give some insight ?
You have now implied that because I suggested removal on arrival of illegal immigrants, that I don’t care if people drown in the English Channel. You are clutching at straws and you should know better. Those two points aren’t mutually exclusive. [Post edited 21 Feb 18:15]
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Because I don't have time right now and if you truly cared you could look into what was in place previously and what other countries do.
I have implied no such thing. What I've implied is that your original argument wasn't going well so you've attempted to change the narrative.
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| The split in the far-right vote on 19:41 - Feb 21 with 46 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 14:53 - Feb 21 by leitrimblue |
Come on, those lazy fromage eating Frenchies have nothing better to do.
They'd just be cycling around in berets and stripey shirts with a baskets full of wine, stinky cheese and baguettes if we don't keep um busy patrolling their coastline.. |
FFS. Typical lazy, lefty inaccurate stereotyping. You forgot the string of onions  |  |
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