| Ta ra Kier 06:37 - Feb 27 with 4008 views | thebooks |
And good riddance.
Nice of Labour to split the far-right vote and let the Greens in.
If you want Reform out, vote Green. |  | | |  |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:46 - Feb 27 with 738 views | lowhouseblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:39 - Feb 27 by Herbivore |
Glad to see you practicing what you preach and engaging in grown up debate with those who hold different views to you. Implying someone is mentally unwell is clearly the first step to engaging constructively on issues where there is legitimate disagreement. |
i respond to that poster in the style he has always taken with me. just as i know that there's never much chance of you engaging with the content posted. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 11:49 - Feb 27 with 715 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:45 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
I think Starmer is a decent man, but he's going down the misinformation route now as he desperately tries to hold the middle ground:
https://www.theguardian.com/po
He also said Labour was up against “Reform on the right, with their politics of hatred and division, the Greens on the left, with their politics of getting out of Nato in the middle of the conflict with Ukraine, of legalising all drugs, including heroin and crack cocaine to give to adults”.
https://greenparty.org.uk/abou
The Green Party recognises that NATO has an important role in ensuring the ability of its member states to respond to threats to their security. We would work within NATO to achieve:
* A greater focus on global peacebuilding.
* A commitment to a ‘No First Use’ of nuclear weapons. |
Carefully articulated there no?:
“Push for the UK to sign the UN Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons (TPNW) and following this to immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons, cancelling the Trident programme and removing all foreign nuclear weapons from UK soil.”
Europe could therefore end up with only France as a nuclear deterrent under the threat of a madman with the world’s largest nuclear stockpile. Europe desperately needs to scale up defence with the US now an unreliable military partner. |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:51 - Feb 27 with 706 views | leitrimblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:38 - Feb 27 by BornDeleuze |
Well, who controls Palestine as it is now if not Hamas? I’m not sure what point you’re trying to prove here. So you’re happy to support Hamas?
I’m against terrorist acts. I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove with the Seargants affair. Seems a bit of historical whataboutery.
I support the Iranian people in theory effort to overthrow the current Islamic regime and their financing of Hamas and terrorism around the world. Are you?
Israel is a modern state and to question its right to exist seems insane as it goes against all international laws we live by. Should we start to question the rights of other countries to exist? |
OK so let's take this 1 point at a time
Your first sentence, you stated earlier that 'the existence of Palastine as it is now called is predicated on the complete wiping out of Isreal and the Jews'.
So what you could now say, is sorry Leitrim I got this completely wrong Palastine is not predicated on the complete wiping out if Isreal and the Jews. I've accidentally confused Hamas with all the people of Palastine, sorry.
With the 2nd paragraph I was just pointing out how easy it us to take 1 historical act out of context and use it to tar an entire peoples.
Nobody as questioned Israels right to exist strangely enough. Though I am quite comfortable calling out there genocidal behaviour in Gaza. Something you don't seem capable of. |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:00 - Feb 27 with 667 views | BornDeleuze |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:51 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue |
OK so let's take this 1 point at a time
Your first sentence, you stated earlier that 'the existence of Palastine as it is now called is predicated on the complete wiping out of Isreal and the Jews'.
So what you could now say, is sorry Leitrim I got this completely wrong Palastine is not predicated on the complete wiping out if Isreal and the Jews. I've accidentally confused Hamas with all the people of Palastine, sorry.
With the 2nd paragraph I was just pointing out how easy it us to take 1 historical act out of context and use it to tar an entire peoples.
Nobody as questioned Israels right to exist strangely enough. Though I am quite comfortable calling out there genocidal behaviour in Gaza. Something you don't seem capable of. |
OK, if you want to get nitpicky over words. My saying the existence of Palestine (Gaza, West Bank) is predicated on the destruction of Israel I am not saying every Palestianian desires this, although it’s clear many do. So you misunderstood that. I mean that the reason Palestine exists as it does is that historically all routes to peace (Oslo, Abraham accords) have been rejected by the Arabs. The Palestinians voted to have Hamas run Gaza despite what’s in their founding document. But importantly, Palestine is also being kept in the situation it is as none of the surrounding Arab countries want to open it up to them. They don’t want Gazan’s moving into Jordan and Egypt (even though many Gazans were once Jordanian citizens!) because it suits everyone just fine to have this explosive entity on the border of Israel. In that sense the existence of Palestine as it is now is predicated on the destruction of Israel as descents in the Hamas document.
I thoroughly dislike the current Israel government. I think there have been war crimes and these should be addressed. |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:03 - Feb 27 with 651 views | CoachRob |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:41 - Feb 27 by lowhouseblue |
i respond to you in the style you adopt with me.
you talk utter drivel about economics. you've only ever read stuff which supports your pre-existing beliefs and you've read it with zero critical skills. you throw about various grand labels because you think that makes you sound knowledgeable and to avoid the sort of detail that will get youripped apart. 'keynesian', 'post-keynesian', 'mmt', and ' new keynesian' are the sorts of waffle that undergrad bluffers use when they haven't done the reading and can't answer the question set.
the article you linked last week presented the utterly unoriginal and un-insightful concepts of accommodating monetary policy and a horizontal lm curve. wow. what you now need to do is read up on why over the last 50 years such an approach has been shown to be a disaster.
i have no intention of posting my qualifications on here, but you are wrong. |
IS-LM is Hicks, not Keynes. Schoolboy error.
I know you're not an academic, but it would be helpful if you could link to this article you keep waffling on about.
Can you link to this evidence you have that the MMT approach would be a disaster?
Please rip my ideas apart.
Have you learnt how to use any of the macro-models economists use?
"I might be a total fraud, but you are wrong". Ok bro. |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:28 - Feb 27 with 591 views | leitrimblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:00 - Feb 27 by BornDeleuze |
OK, if you want to get nitpicky over words. My saying the existence of Palestine (Gaza, West Bank) is predicated on the destruction of Israel I am not saying every Palestianian desires this, although it’s clear many do. So you misunderstood that. I mean that the reason Palestine exists as it does is that historically all routes to peace (Oslo, Abraham accords) have been rejected by the Arabs. The Palestinians voted to have Hamas run Gaza despite what’s in their founding document. But importantly, Palestine is also being kept in the situation it is as none of the surrounding Arab countries want to open it up to them. They don’t want Gazan’s moving into Jordan and Egypt (even though many Gazans were once Jordanian citizens!) because it suits everyone just fine to have this explosive entity on the border of Israel. In that sense the existence of Palestine as it is now is predicated on the destruction of Israel as descents in the Hamas document.
I thoroughly dislike the current Israel government. I think there have been war crimes and these should be addressed. |
Ha ha ha, nitpicky over words  .
You stated wrongly that 'the existence of Palastine ( a state that's been around for thousands of years) as it us now called is predicated on the complete wiping out of Isreal and the Jews' This us not as you suggest a misunderstanding from me, this is you deliberately suggesting the words of Hamas represent all Palastine as this suited your narrative.
Pretending this is somehow a misunderstanding on my part is just bizarre
You know the good people of Isreal voted for their far right government just like Palestinians voted for Hamas | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:52 - Feb 27 with 558 views | crouchendyachtclub |
| Ta ra Kier on 07:16 - Feb 27 by Dubtractor |
"Labour were always going to lose this."
Thats sort of the point though. This was something like their 4th safest seat, to lose it as badly as they have is more than just a by election protest vote, it reinforces tge point that they have got their approach horribly wrong.
Agree with the rest of your comment though. |
Over 3 years until we need to have the next GE, that's a long time in politics.
Train nationalisation
Infrastructure investment
Reduced net migration from silly levels & increased rigour on asylum applications
Leasehold reform
Free school breakfast clubs
Scrap child benefit cap
Scrap ban on onshore wind & issues with solar
Closer trading ties with Europe
Inflation down
GDP growth rate up (but sill poor)
That needs to net vs youth unemployment & threat of automation in white collar jobs but there is a lot to be positive about, we'll see how things work their way through but if their changes bite enough to make people feel more rosie about their life then I wouldn't be surprised if he got another term. Even with all of the noise that the right wing papers like to make. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:58 - Feb 27 with 541 views | lowhouseblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:03 - Feb 27 by CoachRob |
IS-LM is Hicks, not Keynes. Schoolboy error.
I know you're not an academic, but it would be helpful if you could link to this article you keep waffling on about.
Can you link to this evidence you have that the MMT approach would be a disaster?
Please rip my ideas apart.
Have you learnt how to use any of the macro-models economists use?
"I might be a total fraud, but you are wrong". Ok bro. |
you posted the nonsense article - claiming it to be some great insight - so read you own posts (god help you).
again, why not try discussing economic policy choices rather than all this pseudo-theoretical label dropping.
you know nothing about me so stop making stuff up. | |
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| Ta ra Kier on 13:18 - Feb 27 with 495 views | Dubtractor |
| Ta ra Kier on 07:10 - Feb 27 by vapour_trail |
Nobody seems interested that the tories got less than two per cent of the vote.
That’s not great. |
Kemi thinks they did OK, that the candidate who got less than 2% represents the future of the tory party (!), and all those others are just rotters.
Amazing how little focus there seems to be on how utterly irrelevant the current conservative party is.
you would never guess from this that Labour got 15 times as many votes as the Tories in this (otherwise disastrous) election — Jim Pickard (@pickardje.bsky.social) 2026-02-27T12:46:16.525Z
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| Ta ra Kier on 13:36 - Feb 27 with 441 views | BornDeleuze |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:28 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue |
Ha ha ha, nitpicky over words .
You stated wrongly that 'the existence of Palastine ( a state that's been around for thousands of years) as it us now called is predicated on the complete wiping out of Isreal and the Jews' This us not as you suggest a misunderstanding from me, this is you deliberately suggesting the words of Hamas represent all Palastine as this suited your narrative.
Pretending this is somehow a misunderstanding on my part is just bizarre
You know the good people of Isreal voted for their far right government just like Palestinians voted for Hamas |
Oh dear. Palestine has been a state since 1988.
From 1920-1948 it was an area run by the British who called it the British Mandate of Palestine to wind up the Jews!
In 1948 Israel was created and Jordan and Egypt took the West Bank and Egypt.
Prior to 1920 it was part of the Ottoman Empire.
How the hell you think Palestine has been a state for thousands of years is as bizarre as it is wrong.
I’m sure the people of Israel will have the chance to vote out Netanyahu and his cronies soon enough. I wonder when Hamas will allow the citizens of Gaza to vote them out? Like all democracies, Israel has its failings but at least it still is a democracy. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:36 - Feb 27 with 440 views | leitrimblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:18 - Feb 27 by Dubtractor |
Kemi thinks they did OK, that the candidate who got less than 2% represents the future of the tory party (!), and all those others are just rotters.
Amazing how little focus there seems to be on how utterly irrelevant the current conservative party is.
you would never guess from this that Labour got 15 times as many votes as the Tories in this (otherwise disastrous) election — Jim Pickard (@pickardje.bsky.social) 2026-02-27T12:46:16.525Z
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'As I've said many times before, we are a multiracial country, not a multicultural country'
Anybody fancy a lash at interpreting this?
Does she mean there is only 1 single and shared culture throughout the UK, or she just wishes that was the case?
Anyway they did well to get the 2% share of the vote, good on you Kemi | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:38 - Feb 27 with 428 views | gav_g |
| Ta ra Kier on 12:00 - Feb 27 by BornDeleuze |
OK, if you want to get nitpicky over words. My saying the existence of Palestine (Gaza, West Bank) is predicated on the destruction of Israel I am not saying every Palestianian desires this, although it’s clear many do. So you misunderstood that. I mean that the reason Palestine exists as it does is that historically all routes to peace (Oslo, Abraham accords) have been rejected by the Arabs. The Palestinians voted to have Hamas run Gaza despite what’s in their founding document. But importantly, Palestine is also being kept in the situation it is as none of the surrounding Arab countries want to open it up to them. They don’t want Gazan’s moving into Jordan and Egypt (even though many Gazans were once Jordanian citizens!) because it suits everyone just fine to have this explosive entity on the border of Israel. In that sense the existence of Palestine as it is now is predicated on the destruction of Israel as descents in the Hamas document.
I thoroughly dislike the current Israel government. I think there have been war crimes and these should be addressed. |
I'm afraid this isn't actually the case though, Palestine (by either the PLO or representative Palestinian Diplomats) did agree largely to the various peace accords, giving up on compromises that they felt would allow them to exist as a state (which was supported by the Western countries when the PLO acknowledged Israel's right to exist also).
The problem was that Israel (backed by the so-called independent mediators such as USA and Norway, who were sympathetic to Israel and Zionism in general) created "facts on the ground" through settlements, violence, apartheid laws etc. that made everything promised in the agreements impossible (not to mention that Palestine gave up all their cards at the beginning of the negotations & that the PLO leaders negotiated with Israeli leaders on the Oslo Accords whilst undermining the Palestinian Diplomats who had already progressed along with the UN remediation plan at the time).
I agree with your general points though, but just wanted to clarify this. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:42 - Feb 27 with 405 views | leitrimblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:36 - Feb 27 by BornDeleuze |
Oh dear. Palestine has been a state since 1988.
From 1920-1948 it was an area run by the British who called it the British Mandate of Palestine to wind up the Jews!
In 1948 Israel was created and Jordan and Egypt took the West Bank and Egypt.
Prior to 1920 it was part of the Ottoman Empire.
How the hell you think Palestine has been a state for thousands of years is as bizarre as it is wrong.
I’m sure the people of Israel will have the chance to vote out Netanyahu and his cronies soon enough. I wonder when Hamas will allow the citizens of Gaza to vote them out? Like all democracies, Israel has its failings but at least it still is a democracy. |
Obviously I'm gonna bow to your superior prehistoric knowledge  . Perhaps take a look at Herodotos etc for pre Roman discussion on Palastine.
A democracy that just committed Genocide that your still happy to cheerlead... | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:58 - Feb 27 with 330 views | BornDeleuze |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:42 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue |
Obviously I'm gonna bow to your superior prehistoric knowledge . Perhaps take a look at Herodotos etc for pre Roman discussion on Palastine.
A democracy that just committed Genocide that your still happy to cheerlead... |
Again you’re wrong. The historical Palestine you reference was not a state, it was the name for an area of the Levant which incorporated Judea. In fact it was the Roman’s who changed it from Judea to be called Palestine to punish the Jews, the inhabitants of that land that they invaded.
Also wrong, it wasn’t genocide, it was a very nasty urban war made worse that under all the civilian housing are miles and miles of tunnels. If it was genocide the Israeli’s wouldn’t have moved civilians around to keep them away from the next zone of fighting.
Genocide is what Hamas want and what they attempted on October 7. Why did they do this then? Because Israel was close to making a treaty with the Saudi’s and Hamas certainly didn't want that. Hence the timing. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:01 - Feb 27 with 318 views | DJR |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:45 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
I think Starmer is a decent man, but he's going down the misinformation route now as he desperately tries to hold the middle ground:
https://www.theguardian.com/po
He also said Labour was up against “Reform on the right, with their politics of hatred and division, the Greens on the left, with their politics of getting out of Nato in the middle of the conflict with Ukraine, of legalising all drugs, including heroin and crack cocaine to give to adults”.
https://greenparty.org.uk/abou
The Green Party recognises that NATO has an important role in ensuring the ability of its member states to respond to threats to their security. We would work within NATO to achieve:
* A greater focus on global peacebuilding.
* A commitment to a ‘No First Use’ of nuclear weapons. |
The Guardian also reported Starmer as saying the following.
"We were fighting the extremes of the right and the extremes of the left."
A couple of observations.
1. The Greens (and Ecology Party before them) have always been at least as left wing as Labour. But up to now they have never been a serious party of government, and probably aren't now apart from in some sort of coalition.
2. Labour have vacated the area between them and the Greens, so people not happy with its direction of travel or rhetoric and actions on migration have nowhere else to go than the Greens. |  | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:04 - Feb 27 with 312 views | leitrimblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:58 - Feb 27 by BornDeleuze |
Again you’re wrong. The historical Palestine you reference was not a state, it was the name for an area of the Levant which incorporated Judea. In fact it was the Roman’s who changed it from Judea to be called Palestine to punish the Jews, the inhabitants of that land that they invaded.
Also wrong, it wasn’t genocide, it was a very nasty urban war made worse that under all the civilian housing are miles and miles of tunnels. If it was genocide the Israeli’s wouldn’t have moved civilians around to keep them away from the next zone of fighting.
Genocide is what Hamas want and what they attempted on October 7. Why did they do this then? Because Israel was close to making a treaty with the Saudi’s and Hamas certainly didn't want that. Hence the timing. |
Sorry mate, tried to have a decent discussion but yer just going into the realm of fantasy now. So your suggesting that the Palastine discussed by Herodotos etc as no connection to the modern state of Palastine?
You keep justifying and excusing Genocide if you wish
Is it just Israels Genocide yer happy to excuse or are there others you'd lie a crack at? | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:14 - Feb 27 with 297 views | DJR |
| Ta ra Kier on 13:36 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue |
'As I've said many times before, we are a multiracial country, not a multicultural country'
Anybody fancy a lash at interpreting this?
Does she mean there is only 1 single and shared culture throughout the UK, or she just wishes that was the case?
Anyway they did well to get the 2% share of the vote, good on you Kemi |
I think the Scots, Irish and Welsh would have something to say about that. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:19 - Feb 27 with 278 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:49 - Feb 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Carefully articulated there no?:
“Push for the UK to sign the UN Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons (TPNW) and following this to immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons, cancelling the Trident programme and removing all foreign nuclear weapons from UK soil.”
Europe could therefore end up with only France as a nuclear deterrent under the threat of a madman with the world’s largest nuclear stockpile. Europe desperately needs to scale up defence with the US now an unreliable military partner. |
I fully support doing the bit quoted from the Greens. The trouble is, your added paragraph perfectly demonstrates why we probably can’t afford to.
I was hoping humanity was moving away from the spectre of nuclear annihilation after the warming of the Cold War, but it seems we’re slipping in the wrong direction. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 14:29 - Feb 27 with 255 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ta ra Kier on 11:49 - Feb 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Carefully articulated there no?:
“Push for the UK to sign the UN Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons (TPNW) and following this to immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons, cancelling the Trident programme and removing all foreign nuclear weapons from UK soil.”
Europe could therefore end up with only France as a nuclear deterrent under the threat of a madman with the world’s largest nuclear stockpile. Europe desperately needs to scale up defence with the US now an unreliable military partner. |
Two different issues. I was referring to Starmer's incorrect assertion that the Greens policy was to get out of NATO. It isn't.
fwiw, I'm not, on balance, in favour of dismantling our nuclear arsenal either. Not sure if we're technically capable of using it against the biggest threat we face, but anything that gives those polar bears a bit of reassurance is fine by me. |  |
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| Ta ra Kier on 14:29 - Feb 27 with 255 views | BornDeleuze |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:04 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue |
Sorry mate, tried to have a decent discussion but yer just going into the realm of fantasy now. So your suggesting that the Palastine discussed by Herodotos etc as no connection to the modern state of Palastine?
You keep justifying and excusing Genocide if you wish
Is it just Israels Genocide yer happy to excuse or are there others you'd lie a crack at? |
No, I’m going into the realm of history.
The area Herodotus called Palestine was called the Levant. It had Judea, the original homeland of the Jews in it. It also had other peoples there including Arabs whose descendants would include those who live in Gaza today. But essentially today’s Palestinian state was brought into being mindset of the annexation of Gaza and the West Bank. If you want to argue that modern Palestinians have more rights to live in that area than Jews it’s just historically innacurate.
Why don’t you go and learn about the history if this makes you so angry? Learn what forces are at play and the complex politics. It’s not a straight black and white situation.
I’m happy to defend Israels right to defend itself. If a marauding force from Wales came and killed and kidnapped a couple of thousand English people then I’d support retaliation (a silly example, but think how you’d feel and react), especially if they threatened this over and over again.
I do believe there were war crimes and hopefully Netanhayu and co will be held accountable. But this doesn’t change the broader political history of the region.
By all means support Jihad if you wish. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:38 - Feb 27 with 230 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:29 - Feb 27 by BornDeleuze |
No, I’m going into the realm of history.
The area Herodotus called Palestine was called the Levant. It had Judea, the original homeland of the Jews in it. It also had other peoples there including Arabs whose descendants would include those who live in Gaza today. But essentially today’s Palestinian state was brought into being mindset of the annexation of Gaza and the West Bank. If you want to argue that modern Palestinians have more rights to live in that area than Jews it’s just historically innacurate.
Why don’t you go and learn about the history if this makes you so angry? Learn what forces are at play and the complex politics. It’s not a straight black and white situation.
I’m happy to defend Israels right to defend itself. If a marauding force from Wales came and killed and kidnapped a couple of thousand English people then I’d support retaliation (a silly example, but think how you’d feel and react), especially if they threatened this over and over again.
I do believe there were war crimes and hopefully Netanhayu and co will be held accountable. But this doesn’t change the broader political history of the region.
By all means support Jihad if you wish. |
So if places were called different things (presumably in 'proper' English, or do the local languages count?), even if they had the ancestors of today's inhabitants living there, then they don't count as the same homeland... ...unless its Judea? | |
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| Ta ra Kier on 14:48 - Feb 27 with 210 views | BornDeleuze |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:38 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
So if places were called different things (presumably in 'proper' English, or do the local languages count?), even if they had the ancestors of today's inhabitants living there, then they don't count as the same homeland... ...unless its Judea? |
There are 2 Million Arab citizens who live in Israel. They can vote, they work they are even in the parliament. They do live there and are happy too. They don’t wage eternal war against Jews.
Is that not enough or are you suggesting something further should change?
There are 22 Muslim states in the Israel region. Alas none of these want to see their ‘Palestinian’ brothers and sisters to join them. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:52 - Feb 27 with 203 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:19 - Feb 27 by Swansea_Blue |
I fully support doing the bit quoted from the Greens. The trouble is, your added paragraph perfectly demonstrates why we probably can’t afford to.
I was hoping humanity was moving away from the spectre of nuclear annihilation after the warming of the Cold War, but it seems we’re slipping in the wrong direction. |
Agree the sentiment, but I don’t think humans will ever move on from territorial claims unfortunately, and there will always be bad actors and rogue states willing to sacrifice people for it. Still, with an extra Green MP we are a step closer to Polanski getting to the round table with Putin and telling him he’s a very naughty man. | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:55 - Feb 27 with 185 views | leitrimblue |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:29 - Feb 27 by BornDeleuze |
No, I’m going into the realm of history.
The area Herodotus called Palestine was called the Levant. It had Judea, the original homeland of the Jews in it. It also had other peoples there including Arabs whose descendants would include those who live in Gaza today. But essentially today’s Palestinian state was brought into being mindset of the annexation of Gaza and the West Bank. If you want to argue that modern Palestinians have more rights to live in that area than Jews it’s just historically innacurate.
Why don’t you go and learn about the history if this makes you so angry? Learn what forces are at play and the complex politics. It’s not a straight black and white situation.
I’m happy to defend Israels right to defend itself. If a marauding force from Wales came and killed and kidnapped a couple of thousand English people then I’d support retaliation (a silly example, but think how you’d feel and react), especially if they threatened this over and over again.
I do believe there were war crimes and hopefully Netanhayu and co will be held accountable. But this doesn’t change the broader political history of the region.
By all means support Jihad if you wish. |
Argh man yer right, im off to learn about history and support Jihad
I'm guessing by the same logic England didn't exist prior to about a 1000 years ago. And there is no connection between the modern English and the Brittanni discussed by Tacitus for example a thousand years earlier? | | | |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:58 - Feb 27 with 175 views | BornDeleuze |
| Ta ra Kier on 14:55 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue |
Argh man yer right, im off to learn about history and support Jihad
I'm guessing by the same logic England didn't exist prior to about a 1000 years ago. And there is no connection between the modern English and the Brittanni discussed by Tacitus for example a thousand years earlier? |
Good way to concede an argument. Good luck thinking through things in the future. Changing ones mind is difficult. I used to feel similar about Israel-Palestine when I was younger and then I did a lot of reading and listening and realised one can only come to understand a situation through learning the history. | | | |
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