| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran 16:06 - Mar 6 with 3681 views | Radlett_blue |
Nothing else will do.
They then need to find a leader acceptable to Trump (and, presumably to the Iranians) and he will then "work to make Iran great again".
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 16:39 - Mar 8 with 455 views | StokieBlue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:47 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
but a full blown civil war with weapons leaking to every group who can grab them may come down to pretty much the same thing. it's probably wrong to focus on the worst case outcome, but it's definitely there in the background. |
The issue is that the worst case outcome is certainly far from unrealistic.
Trump can't focus on anything for particularly long and with the midterms coming up and the US public showing only 27% support for this military action he's going to have pressure to get the forces out of the area. [1]
It's a toss up whether that pressure comes to tell before something realistic and workable is resolved in Iran.
SB
[1]. https://time.com/7382231/iran- |  | | |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 16:48 - Mar 8 with 442 views | DJR |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 16:39 - Mar 8 by StokieBlue |
The issue is that the worst case outcome is certainly far from unrealistic.
Trump can't focus on anything for particularly long and with the midterms coming up and the US public showing only 27% support for this military action he's going to have pressure to get the forces out of the area. [1]
It's a toss up whether that pressure comes to tell before something realistic and workable is resolved in Iran.
SB
[1]. https://time.com/7382231/iran- |
And let's not forget the role of Israel in all this.
The following article in the Guardian by the editor of Haaretz suggests that what Netanyahu is doing is popular in Israel and that the chaos of a failed state would be a perfectly acceptable outcome for him.
https://www.theguardian.com/co
Indeed, an attack on an oil field and, according to Iran, a desalination plant appear hardly the sort of actions that have the long term interests of the Iranian people at their heart. [Post edited 8 Mar 16:57]
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 17:19 - Mar 8 with 393 views | lowhouseblue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 16:39 - Mar 8 by StokieBlue |
The issue is that the worst case outcome is certainly far from unrealistic.
Trump can't focus on anything for particularly long and with the midterms coming up and the US public showing only 27% support for this military action he's going to have pressure to get the forces out of the area. [1]
It's a toss up whether that pressure comes to tell before something realistic and workable is resolved in Iran.
SB
[1]. https://time.com/7382231/iran- |
trouble is i don't see the status quo and inaction as palatable either. the prospect of iran continuing to fund and foster terror and instability throughout the region while remaining within a short distance of nuclear weapons isn't sustainable. |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:09 - Mar 8 with 344 views | DJR |
I have just been watching the security briefing on BBC News, and this seems as good a thread as any to make the following points.
1. It is not thought by those in the know that the drone that approached Cyprus came from Iran. The military expert the BBC use these days said that maybe Hezbollah was the source but I imagine the UK would always have been alert to the threat from Hezbollah in a place so close to Cyprus.
2. The effective drones that the Iranians are using cost between $20-30,000. The Patriot missiles the US are using to intercept them cost $4 million each, and another interceptor missile costs $13 million each. And the interceptor missiles that the UK have used in one of the Gulf states cost $250,000 each.
3. The Ukrainians are the real experts when it comes to defending against drones, and have themselves come up with a relatively cheap and effective counter to the drones that are being used by the Russians which I think are similar to, or even the same as, the drones the Iranians are using. [Post edited 8 Mar 18:11]
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:12 - Mar 8 with 340 views | Radlett_blue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 16:48 - Mar 8 by DJR |
And let's not forget the role of Israel in all this.
The following article in the Guardian by the editor of Haaretz suggests that what Netanyahu is doing is popular in Israel and that the chaos of a failed state would be a perfectly acceptable outcome for him.
https://www.theguardian.com/co
Indeed, an attack on an oil field and, according to Iran, a desalination plant appear hardly the sort of actions that have the long term interests of the Iranian people at their heart. [Post edited 8 Mar 16:57]
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My guess is that Israel came up with the idea of attacking Iran & Trump agreed to go along with it. Israel apparently has very good intelligence on Iran, including using double agents so they knew where the Ayatollahs etc were hiding out. | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:18 - Mar 8 with 330 views | DJR |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:12 - Mar 8 by Radlett_blue |
My guess is that Israel came up with the idea of attacking Iran & Trump agreed to go along with it. Israel apparently has very good intelligence on Iran, including using double agents so they knew where the Ayatollahs etc were hiding out. |
I am sure I read somewhere early on that Israel attacked and the US took the view that it had no option but to go along with it. After all, it is my understanding that it was the Israelis who were involved in the early attacks.
Of course, that is not to say that with the build up of the US presence in the area, there was not some sort of pre-planning just in case but it was clear that Netanyahu never wanted a deal. [Post edited 8 Mar 18:21]
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:31 - Mar 8 with 311 views | Pinewoodblue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:09 - Mar 8 by DJR |
I have just been watching the security briefing on BBC News, and this seems as good a thread as any to make the following points.
1. It is not thought by those in the know that the drone that approached Cyprus came from Iran. The military expert the BBC use these days said that maybe Hezbollah was the source but I imagine the UK would always have been alert to the threat from Hezbollah in a place so close to Cyprus.
2. The effective drones that the Iranians are using cost between $20-30,000. The Patriot missiles the US are using to intercept them cost $4 million each, and another interceptor missile costs $13 million each. And the interceptor missiles that the UK have used in one of the Gulf states cost $250,000 each.
3. The Ukrainians are the real experts when it comes to defending against drones, and have themselves come up with a relatively cheap and effective counter to the drones that are being used by the Russians which I think are similar to, or even the same as, the drones the Iranians are using. [Post edited 8 Mar 18:11]
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Martlet missile being used to take down drones over Iraq, presumably heading for Israel, costs no more than $50,000 |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 19:01 - Mar 8 with 278 views | DJR |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:31 - Mar 8 by Pinewoodblue |
Martlet missile being used to take down drones over Iraq, presumably heading for Israel, costs no more than $50,000 |
I must admit I hadn't heard of them but this suggests only Saudi Arabia, the UK, Ukraine and Indonesia use them.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
I have also come across this.
https://www.armyrecognition.co [Post edited 8 Mar 19:04]
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 22:41 - Mar 8 with 188 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:09 - Mar 8 by DJR |
I have just been watching the security briefing on BBC News, and this seems as good a thread as any to make the following points.
1. It is not thought by those in the know that the drone that approached Cyprus came from Iran. The military expert the BBC use these days said that maybe Hezbollah was the source but I imagine the UK would always have been alert to the threat from Hezbollah in a place so close to Cyprus.
2. The effective drones that the Iranians are using cost between $20-30,000. The Patriot missiles the US are using to intercept them cost $4 million each, and another interceptor missile costs $13 million each. And the interceptor missiles that the UK have used in one of the Gulf states cost $250,000 each.
3. The Ukrainians are the real experts when it comes to defending against drones, and have themselves come up with a relatively cheap and effective counter to the drones that are being used by the Russians which I think are similar to, or even the same as, the drones the Iranians are using. [Post edited 8 Mar 18:11]
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As well as cost, there is the issue of the relatively small annual production of Patriots. Apparently at current burn rates, some of the UAE states could exhaust their supply within a couple of weeks. Within a week they may have to start rationing missiles, and choosing what targets to prioritise protecting. This was from the Exonomist, based on publicly available inventories. |  | | |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 23:10 - Mar 8 with 161 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:32 - Mar 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Nobody is suggesting for one minute that Trump is doing ths for the good of the Iranian people. He's as mad as Caligula and more dangerous than Nero.
But f the brutal Islamic theocracy is brought down as a byproduct of his action then it can only be a good thing for the people of Iran, the whole region ad the entire world. |
Speaking to the Guardian via voice notes, Negin – not her real name – an activist and former political prisoner based in the central-east side of the city, said the situation was “apocalyptic”.She said: “The situation is so frightening it’s hard to describe. Smoke has covered the entire city. I have severe shortness of breath and burning in my eyes and throat, and many others feel the same. But people still have to go outside because they have no choice. Many places reopened today, but closed again because it’s impossible to stay outdoors.”
'Iranian Red Crescent Society warns public to avoid toxic acid rain after Israel struck oil storage depots
Plumes of black smoke are filling the skies in Tehran after Israel targeted oil storage facilities in the capital city of Tehran, which has a population of about 10 million.
That marked the first time a civil industrial facility has been targeted in the war, the Associated Press reported, although US and Israeli strikes have damaged about 10,000 civilians structures across the country, according to the Iranian Red Crescent Society.
In a post on social media, the group warned the public about the dangers from the fires at the oil facilities and encouraged the public to stay indoors where possible to avoid toxic pollutants.
It said that locals shouldn’t go outside after rainfall over concerns about toxic acid rain and offered advice on gargling salty water if anyone had inhaled the oily soot particles emerging from the black smoke.'
...at times you can be the very definition of a useful fool! |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 23:39 - Mar 8 with 138 views | redrickstuhaart |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:12 - Mar 8 by Radlett_blue |
My guess is that Israel came up with the idea of attacking Iran & Trump agreed to go along with it. Israel apparently has very good intelligence on Iran, including using double agents so they knew where the Ayatollahs etc were hiding out. |
Rubio very clearly let slip that Israel decided to go in, so the US jumped too because they knew there would be reprisals aimed at US assets.
They pretended later he hadnt said it, but I am confident that is the truth of it. | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 23:59 - Mar 8 with 114 views | ElderGrizzly |
Good description of the new Supreme Leader for Iran. Sounds like killing his old man might not have been the wisest plan.
How long does last?
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