| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children 13:10 - Mar 9 with 4741 views | ElderGrizzly |
Israel have now killed just under 100 kids in Lebanon (so far).
https://www.theguardian.com/wo
And apparently Israel have started to make noises about Turkey being 'of concern'. Turkey being a member of NATO...
Edit/update: USA have now ordered Diplomats to leave Southern Turkey [Post edited 9 Mar 13:50]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:05 - Mar 9 with 2081 views | StokieBlue |
They can't be that silly surely.
Not only is Turkey far more capable than Iran, as you say, it's a member of NATO.
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:10 - Mar 9 with 2059 views | Swansea_Blue |
And apparently the new Ayatollah is a psychopath and worse than his dad. What could possibly go wrong? 🙈
Taking on Turkey would be ‘interesting’. |  |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:14 - Mar 9 with 2033 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Turkey has the biggest army in the region and modern equipment, seems very unlikely. Is the evacuation not more likely related to the Iranian missiles intercepted over Turkey (given Iran had targeted US assets elsewhere in the region and enforced evacuations there). [Post edited 9 Mar 14:15]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:16 - Mar 9 with 1989 views | J2BLUE |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:10 - Mar 9 by Swansea_Blue |
And apparently the new Ayatollah is a psychopath and worse than his dad. What could possibly go wrong? 🙈
Taking on Turkey would be ‘interesting’. |
Apparently he was highly influential anyway behind the scenes so might not be a massive shift. |  |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:24 - Mar 9 with 1946 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:16 - Mar 9 by J2BLUE |
Apparently he was highly influential anyway behind the scenes so might not be a massive shift. |
Apart from now also wanting to avenge the killing of his father | | | |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:27 - Mar 9 with 1937 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:05 - Mar 9 by StokieBlue |
They can't be that silly surely.
Not only is Turkey far more capable than Iran, as you say, it's a member of NATO.
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This report was from before the Iran attacks, but Netanyahu repeated it over the weekend
https://www.aljazeera.com/news | | | |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:37 - Mar 9 with 1890 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not even Al Jazeera is suggesting Israel are likely to attack Turkey though (and the same publication suggests the evacuations are related to a general anti US Sentiment. The article just talks about a worsening relationship between Turkey and Israel, talks of a military attack is quite a leap.
Turkey are actively intercepting Iranian missiles with NATO equipment so it would be quite counterproductive for Israel to target a country which is depleting Iran’s missile stocks. Not to mention the US has military presence in Southern Turkey. [Post edited 9 Mar 14:39]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:16 - Mar 9 with 1789 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 14:37 - Mar 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not even Al Jazeera is suggesting Israel are likely to attack Turkey though (and the same publication suggests the evacuations are related to a general anti US Sentiment. The article just talks about a worsening relationship between Turkey and Israel, talks of a military attack is quite a leap.
Turkey are actively intercepting Iranian missiles with NATO equipment so it would be quite counterproductive for Israel to target a country which is depleting Iran’s missile stocks. Not to mention the US has military presence in Southern Turkey. [Post edited 9 Mar 14:39]
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https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/p
It's not quite the leap for some in the region.
I agree, for all the reasons you say it is highly unlikely, but this is a bizarre place right now.
I was in the US the last two weeks and it was reported over there, which made me stop what I was doing and sit up!
The Centre for Eastern Studies was also reporting this a week ago:
"Ankara does not consider a war with Tel Aviv to be highly likely; nevertheless, it treats it as a risk against which precautions must be taken. For this reason, it has announced a programme for the construction of civil defence shelters, placed greater emphasis on the development of an integrated air defence system, and intensified efforts to purchase F-35 fighter aircraft from the United States, which would allow it to reduce Israel’s technological advantage to some extent" [Post edited 9 Mar 15:18]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:35 - Mar 9 with 1740 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:16 - Mar 9 by ElderGrizzly |
https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/p
It's not quite the leap for some in the region.
I agree, for all the reasons you say it is highly unlikely, but this is a bizarre place right now.
I was in the US the last two weeks and it was reported over there, which made me stop what I was doing and sit up!
The Centre for Eastern Studies was also reporting this a week ago:
"Ankara does not consider a war with Tel Aviv to be highly likely; nevertheless, it treats it as a risk against which precautions must be taken. For this reason, it has announced a programme for the construction of civil defence shelters, placed greater emphasis on the development of an integrated air defence system, and intensified efforts to purchase F-35 fighter aircraft from the United States, which would allow it to reduce Israel’s technological advantage to some extent" [Post edited 9 Mar 15:18]
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Fair enough, lots of things are possible albeit unlikely as per the source your provided. I was just questioning the implication in your OP that Isreal attacking Turkey is likely, imminent, and that US were evacuating their staff for that reason. In reality it’s something of a low probability, and the evacuation was unrelated to the tweet.
Apologies if it seems pedantic, but not sure we need to be putting 2+2 together and getting 5, and adding to the general anxiety of events in the region. | | | |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:41 - Mar 9 with 1719 views | DJR |
To be fair to Israel. the BBC reported on the World Service and the World at One that it was almost certainly a US Tomahawk missile which killed the young school girls in Tehran. And this accords with leaked US intelligence reports that the US was to blame.
Trump is claiming it was Iran but even Hesgeth has said now on two occasions (once alongside Trump and at the same time as a Trump denial) that the US is still investigating, which seems proof that they did it because it happened well over a week ago and they must know the truth.
Indeed, this follows a pattern in conflicts where the US deny things, blame the other side or say they are investigating but only admit the truth (if they do) some time after the fact. [Post edited 9 Mar 15:46]
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:43 - Mar 9 with 1702 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:41 - Mar 9 by DJR |
To be fair to Israel. the BBC reported on the World Service and the World at One that it was almost certainly a US Tomahawk missile which killed the young school girls in Tehran. And this accords with leaked US intelligence reports that the US was to blame.
Trump is claiming it was Iran but even Hesgeth has said now on two occasions (once alongside Trump and at the same time as a Trump denial) that the US is still investigating, which seems proof that they did it because it happened well over a week ago and they must know the truth.
Indeed, this follows a pattern in conflicts where the US deny things, blame the other side or say they are investigating but only admit the truth (if they do) some time after the fact. [Post edited 9 Mar 15:46]
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America are doing it on behalf of Israel, so while I knew it was their missile, Israel is the puppeteer. | | | |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:45 - Mar 9 with 1694 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:35 - Mar 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Fair enough, lots of things are possible albeit unlikely as per the source your provided. I was just questioning the implication in your OP that Isreal attacking Turkey is likely, imminent, and that US were evacuating their staff for that reason. In reality it’s something of a low probability, and the evacuation was unrelated to the tweet.
Apologies if it seems pedantic, but not sure we need to be putting 2+2 together and getting 5, and adding to the general anxiety of events in the region. |
Sorry, not meaning to do 2+2 with the diplomats.
More that they are political noises not expected to be heard between Israel and Turkey right now.
It's all a mess, which is something we can all agree on | | | |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 16:08 - Mar 9 with 1657 views | unstableblue |
… dead (by Iranian officials)
Trump was adamant on Airforce One that is was an Iranian strike?! Hegseth was less committal (clearly knew).
That’s the stamp of Trump - truth just doesn’t matter. But it really does in these circumstances.
Now of course the school was next to an Iranian military complex, and indeed used to be inside it, which feels like that very wrong Hamas tactic.
BUT, experts stating the strike planning/intelligence - now seemingly by a advanced tomahawk, which took out 5 buildings in the area - should definitely have seen that the school had been segregated and had pastel walls and murals in playground.
Anyway - Iranian leadership need change, but maybe have just hardened, and I think this Israeli led initiative is just going to end up with tonnes and tonnes of munitions being dropped on civilian areas à la Palestine. Where the sheer scale of destruction is just coming into view. And the Iranians will just hunker down and also start terrorism acts across region and wider. |  |
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 16:36 - Mar 9 with 1572 views | Cafe_Newman |
Don't be confused, by killing children we are freeing them from their despotic rulers.
Or something.
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 17:16 - Mar 9 with 1542 views | Guthrum |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:16 - Mar 9 by ElderGrizzly |
https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/p
It's not quite the leap for some in the region.
I agree, for all the reasons you say it is highly unlikely, but this is a bizarre place right now.
I was in the US the last two weeks and it was reported over there, which made me stop what I was doing and sit up!
The Centre for Eastern Studies was also reporting this a week ago:
"Ankara does not consider a war with Tel Aviv to be highly likely; nevertheless, it treats it as a risk against which precautions must be taken. For this reason, it has announced a programme for the construction of civil defence shelters, placed greater emphasis on the development of an integrated air defence system, and intensified efforts to purchase F-35 fighter aircraft from the United States, which would allow it to reduce Israel’s technological advantage to some extent" [Post edited 9 Mar 15:18]
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The question is whether Israel has the capacity to fight an adversary so capable as Turkey on top of maintaining the bombardment of Iran and Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon.
In terms of strike aircraft, they have (according to Wiki) 48 F-35s, 66 F-15s of various marks and 173 F-16s. A portion of those will be out of action for maintenance and some held back for air defence (plus they may have lost some in action). There's also been the recent wear-and-tear, plus depletion of parts and supplies, of the "12-Day War" and the bombing of Gaza.
If they've launched anywhere near the claimed 4,000 strikes in under ten days, that's at least two or three sorties a day (probably more, given a strike package would include fighter cover and air-defence suppression). A very heavy workload for aircrew.
They're simply going to run out of men and machines. |  |
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| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:23 - Mar 9 with 1444 views | Whos_blue |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 16:08 - Mar 9 by unstableblue |
… dead (by Iranian officials)
Trump was adamant on Airforce One that is was an Iranian strike?! Hegseth was less committal (clearly knew).
That’s the stamp of Trump - truth just doesn’t matter. But it really does in these circumstances.
Now of course the school was next to an Iranian military complex, and indeed used to be inside it, which feels like that very wrong Hamas tactic.
BUT, experts stating the strike planning/intelligence - now seemingly by a advanced tomahawk, which took out 5 buildings in the area - should definitely have seen that the school had been segregated and had pastel walls and murals in playground.
Anyway - Iranian leadership need change, but maybe have just hardened, and I think this Israeli led initiative is just going to end up with tonnes and tonnes of munitions being dropped on civilian areas à la Palestine. Where the sheer scale of destruction is just coming into view. And the Iranians will just hunker down and also start terrorism acts across region and wider. |
BBC verify have done a useful piece on this.
BBC News - US missile hit military base near Iran school, video analysis shows
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Trump doing a news conference later today. Let's see if this comes up....... |  |
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| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:34 - Mar 9 with 1413 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:23 - Mar 9 by Whos_blue |
BBC verify have done a useful piece on this.
BBC News - US missile hit military base near Iran school, video analysis shows
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Trump doing a news conference later today. Let's see if this comes up....... |
Bellingcat released an article yesterday saying the same too. https://www.bellingcat.com/new
One of the US papers also investigated it and came to the same conclusion. As far as I’m aware all three looked at it independently, so that’s starting to look damning for the US (no surprise though - the action matches their words). | |
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| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:50 - Mar 9 with 1382 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:23 - Mar 9 by Whos_blue |
BBC verify have done a useful piece on this.
BBC News - US missile hit military base near Iran school, video analysis shows
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Trump doing a news conference later today. Let's see if this comes up....... |
Trump just told CBS the war is basically over
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| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:52 - Mar 9 with 1348 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:50 - Mar 9 by ElderGrizzly |
Trump just told CBS the war is basically over
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Total war? |  |
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| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 20:05 - Mar 9 with 1321 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:50 - Mar 9 by ElderGrizzly |
Trump just told CBS the war is basically over
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Poke hornet's nest on bough of tree in forest. Get stung. Kill a few hornets. Step back. Claim victory.
Angry hornets keep stinging. Claim unprovoked hornet aggression. Nuke forest. | | | |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 20:17 - Mar 9 with 1311 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 19:50 - Mar 9 by ElderGrizzly |
Trump just told CBS the war is basically over
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Is he bored already lol?
So Iran seemed a bit tough. Maybe they could try Cuba next. And if they don’t roll over, how about California? They’re a bit woke and probably like that DEI (EDI in English) stuff. | |
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| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 20:36 - Mar 9 with 1236 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 20:17 - Mar 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Is he bored already lol?
So Iran seemed a bit tough. Maybe they could try Cuba next. And if they don’t roll over, how about California? They’re a bit woke and probably like that DEI (EDI in English) stuff. |
America's military might is an absolute joke. They had to call a truce with the Houthis in Yemen despite years of fighting them in a joint operation with Saudi Arabia using all their technological prowess of Centcom in the region.
Israel must be absolutely sh1tting themselves they have the military might of the greatest military the world has ever seen covering their backs.
The only way to save face is to use the very weapons (nukes) that they accuse Iran of developing in order to destabilise the region.
America first? LOL | | | |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 23:19 - Mar 9 with 1155 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Looks like it was a US Tomahawk that took out the Iranian school - 175 reported on 20:17 - Mar 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Is he bored already lol?
So Iran seemed a bit tough. Maybe they could try Cuba next. And if they don’t roll over, how about California? They’re a bit woke and probably like that DEI (EDI in English) stuff. |
Now claiming the Iranians stole a Tomahawk missile and bombed themselves.
The community note is everything
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| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 07:43 - Mar 10 with 1032 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not content with killing hundreds of Iranian children on 15:43 - Mar 9 by ElderGrizzly |
America are doing it on behalf of Israel, so while I knew it was their missile, Israel is the puppeteer. |
This outrageous EG. Not only have you spread false propaganda without a shred of evidence, but when you have been corrected, instead of rowing back you double down by using an age old anti semitic trope. And not a single person has blinked. Even worse somebody has up voted your use of anti semitic language.
Calling Israel a "puppeteer"—specifically in the context of controlling other governments, leaders, or world events—is widely considered an antisemitic trope. Here is a breakdown of why this imagery is problematic:
Echoes Historical Tropes: The image of a "puppet master" or "puppeteer" manipulating world events has been a staple of anti-Jewish propaganda for over a century, famously used in Nazi propaganda to portray Jews as secret controllers of nations.
Conspiracy Theories: Phrases like "puppet controlled by the Zionist lobby" are often used to invoke conspiracy theories about undue Jewish influence over foreign governments, particularly the United States.
Context Matters: While political criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, using the specific visual or verbal language of a "puppeteer" often crosses the line from legitimate criticism into the use of antisemitic stereotypes.
Examples of Controversy:
Descriptions of the U.S. government as a "puppet" of Israel have been condemned as anti-Semitic by organisations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Artwork or cartoons depicting Israeli officials as puppeteers holding strings (e.g., of U.S. leaders or other entities) are frequently cited as evoking Nazi-era imagery.
In summary, while criticism of Israeli policy is not antisemitic, using the "puppeteer" motif is viewed as a direct invocation of historical, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.
I’m sure there was no intent to slip into anti semiotic language. Nothing you have posted before suggests anything to the contrary. Probably best to edit. |  |
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