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Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... 10:35 - Mar 28 with 567 views

The fundamental initial problem, was our club appearing to endorse and support Farage.

Even now, there has been no attempt whatsoever to distance the club from that. So that connection appears still very much in place, and that the club and Ashton have no intention of distancing the club from Reform and their campaign video etc.

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Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:23 - Mar 28 with 462 views

Smoresy

Understand why you don't accept it (I'm not in an overly forgiving mood either) but that attempt was made in the original statement. Couldn't have stated it in clearer terms really:

"Ipswich Town Football Club has, over several years, hosted representatives from a range of political parties. The club remains apolitical and does not support or endorse any individual or party."

Obviously more details came to light afterwards and they help explain why senior staff haven't been able to sever that connection satisfactorily in the eyes of many. It's difficult to claim you didn't facilitate something when you did, and when independent parties will have evidence to prove it should you antagonise them, i.e. by criticising Reform.

Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:25 - Mar 28 with 455 views

StokieBlue

There seems to be a substantial number of posters who don't seem concerned by that.

Much more worried about the phantom visit to the club by Polanski.

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Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:27 - Mar 28 with 440 views

Zx1988

Exactly.

Any semblance of political impartiality fell by the wayside when it emerged that the 'Farage 10' shirts had been gifted to Reform by the club.

I imagine, especially with the controversy that's come about as a result, that Reform could have Farage sign them, and then auction them off for a decent price.

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Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:30 - Mar 28 with 418 views

mrshallisfit

Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:25 - Mar 28 by StokieBlue
There seems to be a substantial number of posters who don't seem concerned by that. Much more worried about the phantom visit to the club by Polanski. SB

Of course not. Any club endorsing any candidate is cheap. But they either don't have the appropriate moral compass to realise this, or they support Reform - which is of course the same thing.

Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:33 - Mar 28 with 395 views

Horsham

As much as it suits my world view I can understand why they wouldn’t explicitly distance themselves from Reform. I statement like that would only rile up the right wing humans and bots on social media and ramp up the discourse.

The whole point should have been to navigate a path to a quieter existenc and to reassure fans, sponsors and investors that Mark Ashton is still the right person to run ITFC.

It missed the target by a mile but I do get why somethings weren’t said.

Here's the rub on 11:37 - Mar 28 with 376 views

Dyland

Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:23 - Mar 28 by Smoresy

I asked the club as well.

"Ipswich Town Football Club has, over several years, hosted representatives from a range of political parties. The club remains apolitical and does not support or endorse any individual or party."

Like who? When? And what do they mean by hosting? The Farage visit goes well beyond mere 'hosting/ anyway.

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Here's the rub on 11:39 - Mar 28 with 354 views

redrickstuhaart

Here's the rub on 11:37 - Mar 28 by Dyland
I asked the club as well. "Ipswich Town Football Club has, over several years, hosted representatives from a range of political parties. The club remains apolitical and does not support or endorse any individual or party." Like who? When? And what do they mean by hosting? The Farage visit goes well beyond mere 'hosting/ anyway.

An apology, even a better one, whilst failing to correct the actual issue, is worthless.

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Will the US Mid terms get cancelled or "postponed"?

Here's the rub on 11:44 - Mar 28 with 336 views

ReusersTown

Here's the rub on 11:37 - Mar 28 by Dyland
I asked the club as well. "Ipswich Town Football Club has, over several years, hosted representatives from a range of political parties. The club remains apolitical and does not support or endorse any individual or party." Like who? When? And what do they mean by hosting? The Farage visit goes well beyond mere 'hosting/ anyway.

Yeah just an attempt to muddy the waters. There's probably a tiniest grain of truth, such as ticket was given to an mp for the playoff final in 2000 or something. Everything they're saying is as vague as possible with no tangible rebuttal to anything as Ashton tries to fill a comms void without directly incriminating himself further.

Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:54 - Mar 28 with 296 views

hadleighboyblue

Here's a thing I had rather lost sight of amidst the non apology... on 11:27 - Mar 28 by Zx1988
Exactly. Any semblance of political impartiality fell by the wayside when it emerged that the 'Farage 10' shirts had been gifted to Reform by the club. I imagine, especially with the controversy that's come about as a result, that Reform could have Farage sign them, and then auction them off for a decent price.

the main things that needed explaining were ......who sanctioned the Farage 10 shirts car crash and who issued the denial about who invited Farage to the club .

Neither of these questions were addressed by Ashton , so his apology was not good enough .

Here's the rub on 11:56 - Mar 28 with 285 views

nrb1985

Here's the rub on 11:37 - Mar 28 by Dyland
I asked the club as well. "Ipswich Town Football Club has, over several years, hosted representatives from a range of political parties. The club remains apolitical and does not support or endorse any individual or party." Like who? When? And what do they mean by hosting? The Farage visit goes well beyond mere 'hosting/ anyway.

Lining up multiple Farage 10 shirts (which were gifted to him by the club) in the first team dressing room definitely came across as apolitical…

So I for one am satisfied.

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Here's the rub on 12:02 - Mar 28 with 241 views

Smoresy

Here's the rub on 11:37 - Mar 28 by Dyland
I asked the club as well. "Ipswich Town Football Club has, over several years, hosted representatives from a range of political parties. The club remains apolitical and does not support or endorse any individual or party." Like who? When? And what do they mean by hosting? The Farage visit goes well beyond mere 'hosting/ anyway.

Aye "hosted representatives" is as elastic or nebulous as one needs it to be, isn't it. We've clearly been in dialogue with IBC over previous and future projects, for the most basic of examples. Most councillors are attached to political parties of course and some of those conversations may well have been conducted in person, at club facilities. That's a world away from what happened this week but still meets the description I guess for the desperately minded.

Did anything more similar ever happen in the Cobbold's days? They were different times and before my time, so I wouldn't know or be so shocked if anyone could unearth something or other. Either way, such details wouldn't be relevant to evaluating acceptable standards of today imo, and what we've done feels starkly at odds with normal practice at every other club in the country.

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