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He's objectively and demonstrably an excellent chairman. He's overseen the most rapid period of growth in the history of the club. Our success throughout the gamechanger era to date is as much down to him as it is McKenna, arguably more so.
Some folk on here have doubted him and disliked him from the start. I've seen endless references to his Brent-esque communication style over the last 5 years, references to his performance at Bristol City etc.
Yes, he's clearly dropped a stinker with this Farage business and doubled down on it by being economic with the truth. But I would suggest the strength of feeling on here about this sorry episode are not representative of the wider fanbase. One or two of you have just been waiting for the opportunity to get your knives out.
Anybody encouraging protests and chanting is an absolute numptard in my book. In the words of bignose, be on the inside piddling out, not on the outside piddling in. If the amount of energy being expended on this negativity instead went on getting behind the team, we might actually find ourselves promoted come the end of the season.
Ashton - a few truths on 19:27 - Apr 2 by Illinoisblue
What did he apologize for? Specifics, please.
I'm not sure anyone knows what he apologised for, but in fairness had he been specific, that would have probably have resulted in further apologies being necessary. Bit like the following.
Ashton - a few truths on 19:56 - Apr 2 by SouperJim
Actually that does represent my viewpoint fairly well. Good people sometimes do bad things, it's not helpful or healthy to entirely judge someone based on one poor episode.
I murdered someone but it's OK because aside from that I am a good person.
I committed tax evasion for millions of pounds, but it's OK because aside from that I am a good person.
Ashton didn't accidentally find Farage and his media team at the ground and then quickly rush around and get some shirts printed for him. That would have been a mistake.
Lying to cover up the mistake and then failing to own the mistake in a pathetic excuse for a supposed-apology suggests he doesn't see it as a mistake either.
As I put in another thread on it, if I ran over the neighbour's cat, denied that I did so and then, when challenged said to them, "I am sorry that you are upset by your cat being run over", would you call that an apology? That's effectively what Ashton has done (and the running over the cat was a deliberate act too!)
Ashton - a few truths on 23:10 - Apr 2 by Nthsuffolkblue
I murdered someone but it's OK because aside from that I am a good person.
I committed tax evasion for millions of pounds, but it's OK because aside from that I am a good person.
Ashton didn't accidentally find Farage and his media team at the ground and then quickly rush around and get some shirts printed for him. That would have been a mistake.
Lying to cover up the mistake and then failing to own the mistake in a pathetic excuse for a supposed-apology suggests he doesn't see it as a mistake either.
As I put in another thread on it, if I ran over the neighbour's cat, denied that I did so and then, when challenged said to them, "I am sorry that you are upset by your cat being run over", would you call that an apology? That's effectively what Ashton has done (and the running over the cat was a deliberate act too!)
Or maybe there could be a world where these things are slightly more nuanced and perhaps conflating murder, of either a person or someone's pet, with having lunch with an albeit very divisive politician isn't entirely helpful.
Ashton - a few truths on 23:41 - Apr 2 by SouperJim
Or maybe there could be a world where these things are slightly more nuanced and perhaps conflating murder, of either a person or someone's pet, with having lunch with an albeit very divisive politician isn't entirely helpful.
"I committed tax evasion for millions of pounds, but it's OK because aside from that I am a good person." is more nuanced, but maybe does not go far enough for you ?
Ashton - a few truths on 21:38 - Apr 2 by backwaywhen
To satisfy the unhappy minority simple as that ….he who shouts loudest gets heard !
I find it interesting that I gave you, and numerous others, plenty of time to debate and put your point of view across. Some even did, we accepted that we differed and moved on with our lives. Sometimes we even found common ground.
Yet, for some reason, at no point have you decided to. You appear to prefer to play the victim
TWTD is on their list it seems by backwaywhen2 Apr 11:28 Although I don’t agree with this so called FB “club” , I do find a lot of posters on this forum very Left wing and always pushing their agenda towards others , if you call them out they seem to turn unpleasant towards anyone else’s views .
You know who you are ……just saying
Ps Ashton in IMHO.
Call people out
Ticket sales look to be going well by backwaywhen31 Mar 20:46 Make you wonder wether TheMoralMajority is going , I do wonder if a lot of these comments are actually Town fans …..genuine question.
Whilst simultaneously doing what it is you accuse others of.
Ashton - a few truths on 23:41 - Apr 2 by SouperJim
Or maybe there could be a world where these things are slightly more nuanced and perhaps conflating murder, of either a person or someone's pet, with having lunch with an albeit very divisive politician isn't entirely helpful.
You're minimizing, imho. You are making up an issue that very few have an issue with: having lunch with an albeit very divisive politician
Whist choosing not to engage with the issues that people actually have.
That is your right, but it makes it appear that you are coming from a disingenuous position, as you appear to be making up an argument in order to "win" it.
FWIW, the club would be remiss not to meet with politicians of all parties in order to build relationships. That is neither what this is, nor the wider issue, and it just muddies the waters.
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Ashton - a few truths on 23:56 - Apr 2 with 413 views
Ashton - a few truths on 23:44 - Apr 2 by KBsSocks
"I committed tax evasion for millions of pounds, but it's OK because aside from that I am a good person." is more nuanced, but maybe does not go far enough for you ?
The issue is not about "having lunch", but lying.
No it doesn't, it's not nuanced at all, in fact that's a very limited example. But I don't think a complex debate about morality is going to achieve much.
I think it's disingenuous to say it's just about lying. Pre-gamechanger the club attempted to pull the wool over our eyes on a regular basis. Nobody ever got this upset by it. I don't remember this level of furore when Clegg lied about the league rules on refunds for abandoned games, for example (although there was some).
Ashton - a few truths on 23:56 - Apr 2 by SouperJim
No it doesn't, it's not nuanced at all, in fact that's a very limited example. But I don't think a complex debate about morality is going to achieve much.
I think it's disingenuous to say it's just about lying. Pre-gamechanger the club attempted to pull the wool over our eyes on a regular basis. Nobody ever got this upset by it. I don't remember this level of furore when Clegg lied about the league rules on refunds for abandoned games, for example (although there was some).
*paraphrasing* "Reform booked a tour through an external company. We knew nothing about it"
Then a Reform promo comes out filmed at our club
"Reform did not meet any senior management at our club"
Then it comes out he had lunch with Ashton + Werhun at their invitation.
"Reform brought their own shirt that they paid for themselves"
Then it comes out that we gifted them 6 shirts with Farage on the back and let them stage the dressing room for a promo video.
"The club is apolotical" after letting this all happen.
Finallly "We're sorry if we hurt your feelings, we are reviewing how we deal with political parties going forward"
Come on, man. Even the most cynical of people cannot see that this is anywhere comparable to anything that has gone before.
If you think it is, then that's fine, that is your right, but for a lot of us. No. Just. No. That is outright lying and gaslighting. I'm meant to trust the man now, after he treated us like fing idiots.... again... and again.... and again.
And they STILL have offered no explanation
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Ashton - a few truths on 00:05 - Apr 3 with 399 views
You're minimizing, imho. You are making up an issue that very few have an issue with: having lunch with an albeit very divisive politician
Whist choosing not to engage with the issues that people actually have.
That is your right, but it makes it appear that you are coming from a disingenuous position, as you appear to be making up an argument in order to "win" it.
FWIW, the club would be remiss not to meet with politicians of all parties in order to build relationships. That is neither what this is, nor the wider issue, and it just muddies the waters.
I'm trying to wrap my head around what people are actually upset about, to the degree that they would call for Ashton's head. It just seems disproportionate to me. You have no issue with Farage's visit or anything the club did, you are solely put out by the explanation and subsequent apology?
Ashton - a few truths on 23:56 - Apr 2 by SouperJim
No it doesn't, it's not nuanced at all, in fact that's a very limited example. But I don't think a complex debate about morality is going to achieve much.
I think it's disingenuous to say it's just about lying. Pre-gamechanger the club attempted to pull the wool over our eyes on a regular basis. Nobody ever got this upset by it. I don't remember this level of furore when Clegg lied about the league rules on refunds for abandoned games, for example (although there was some).
It is disingenuous to broaden the issue to Clegg, too.
Your post is about Ashton, not Clegg, the Cobbolds, whoever.
Ashton - a few truths on 23:41 - Apr 2 by SouperJim
Or maybe there could be a world where these things are slightly more nuanced and perhaps conflating murder, of either a person or someone's pet, with having lunch with an albeit very divisive politician isn't entirely helpful.
Except I didn't do that at all. I pointed out there is a difference in the gravity of different "mistakes" or offences as I might phrase it. I used strong terms to drive that home.
You seem happy to wave away his deliberate act.
You seem happy to wave away his lies about that deliberate act.
You seem happy to accept his non-apology for that too.
Please do explain the nuance I am missing here.
The strength of my feeling is because not only has Ashton politicised the club and then lied to try to cover it up and made a pathetic excuse for an apology, but he has done so for the benefit of a proven racist grifter and his dangerous party.
Ashton - a few truths on 00:05 - Apr 3 by SouperJim
I'm trying to wrap my head around what people are actually upset about, to the degree that they would call for Ashton's head. It just seems disproportionate to me. You have no issue with Farage's visit or anything the club did, you are solely put out by the explanation and subsequent apology?
There has been no explanation. There have been only lies. There has been no apology. An apology requires ownership and an understanding of what is being apologised for. I (and many others, not limited to here. See aforementioned EADT article and KoA podcast) still have literally no idea what he has apologised for.
Honestly, I have been over this time and time again. So I will, finally, leave this here. If what has happened, and the subsequent fallout, has been good enough for you, then I am pleased for you. I do really wish it were for me. But it isn't. I cannot trust the man.
A man who still has neither admitted, nor owned, anything.
A man who extols the virtues of "doing the right thing whilst no one is looking" whilst simultaneously doing the wrong thing when everyone is looking,
A man who preaches "running towards adversity" then hides at the first sign of adversity. Adversity, entirely, of his own making.
I'm supposed to get behind a man like that? Nah, mate. Not for me. Integrity matters.
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Ashton - a few truths on 00:15 - Apr 3 with 380 views
Basically, don't call me a numptard, and I might engage with you. Otherwise, you will have to justify all your posits - and me and other numptards will call you out on your mis-positioning and misreading and over-simplification of how serious this issue is ( / these issues are).
Ashton - a few truths on 00:13 - Apr 3 by Nthsuffolkblue
Except I didn't do that at all. I pointed out there is a difference in the gravity of different "mistakes" or offences as I might phrase it. I used strong terms to drive that home.
You seem happy to wave away his deliberate act.
You seem happy to wave away his lies about that deliberate act.
You seem happy to accept his non-apology for that too.
Please do explain the nuance I am missing here.
The strength of my feeling is because not only has Ashton politicised the club and then lied to try to cover it up and made a pathetic excuse for an apology, but he has done so for the benefit of a proven racist grifter and his dangerous party.
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I'm not happy with any of it. But I respect your explanation that it's also about who it was done for and I wholeheartedly agree with the bit about gravity of offences, that's exactly what I was saying about your murder example.
Ashton - a few truths on 00:05 - Apr 3 by SouperJim
I'm trying to wrap my head around what people are actually upset about, to the degree that they would call for Ashton's head. It just seems disproportionate to me. You have no issue with Farage's visit or anything the club did, you are solely put out by the explanation and subsequent apology?
What are we angry about? In order of level of anger:
1 That Ashton has lied to us about the events that took place.
2 That Ashton felt the need to apologise and then gave the sort of apology you are taking offence to me conflating it with. He said he is sorry that some fans feel that way. That isn't owning any action so it is not apologising for anything.
3 That Ashton has claimed there are mistruths out there but not elaborated at all on what those are. Why not? The only ones we know about are his lies.
4 That Ashton arranged to meet with a politician with the clear express purpose of allowing that politician and his media team free access to film promotional footage of him with shirts made and gifted to him by the club (or Ashton personally) for his use.
5 That the politician in question is a known racist whose party's policies are divisive and highly objectionable.
6 That the politician in question has made statements that are clearly antagonistic to members of the club's playing staff and other employees.
But it's OK because it was just a mistake and he has been a good CEO before the owners left him with no one to be accountable to.
I actually think his actions are as bad as if he had deliberately run over his neighbour's cat, denied doing so and then issued the apology "I am sorry you feel hurt by the death of your cat. There are a lot of mistruths out there, though." What I am struggling with is why some people seem to think it is nothing like as bad. Please explain to me why each of these points above isn't that bad after all. I would love to realise I've got this wrong and it's all a big misunderstanding after all. But I can't just shut my eyes pretend that is the case. Convince me, please. I want to be persuaded!
There has been no explanation. There have been only lies. There has been no apology. An apology requires ownership and an understanding of what is being apologised for. I (and many others, not limited to here. See aforementioned EADT article and KoA podcast) still have literally no idea what he has apologised for.
Honestly, I have been over this time and time again. So I will, finally, leave this here. If what has happened, and the subsequent fallout, has been good enough for you, then I am pleased for you. I do really wish it were for me. But it isn't. I cannot trust the man.
A man who still has neither admitted, nor owned, anything.
A man who extols the virtues of "doing the right thing whilst no one is looking" whilst simultaneously doing the wrong thing when everyone is looking,
A man who preaches "running towards adversity" then hides at the first sign of adversity. Adversity, entirely, of his own making.
I'm supposed to get behind a man like that? Nah, mate. Not for me. Integrity matters.
It's not "good enough" for me, I don't like it at all, but I'm willing to let it be at this stage so as to not further detract from the business on the pitch.
Ashton - a few truths on 00:20 - Apr 3 by SouperJim
I'm not happy with any of it. But I respect your explanation that it's also about who it was done for and I wholeheartedly agree with the bit about gravity of offences, that's exactly what I was saying about your murder example.
He hasn't murdered anyone. He hasn't committed tax evasion.
But to me what he has done to the football club I support has angered me as much as if he had done so. He needs to go and he needs to go now.
I don't get how a few people can say, it's OK. He's apologised, let's move on.
Ashton - a few truths on 00:27 - Apr 3 by SouperJim
It's not "good enough" for me, I don't like it at all, but I'm willing to let it be at this stage so as to not further detract from the business on the pitch.
I won't disagree with you there. KM + Team are totally blameless and will always get my complete support. My issue is purely with the leadership, and I think it is important to keep these 2 things separate.
As I've said before, regardless of our feelings on what has gone on over the last 10 days or so, we all want the same thing. The best for Town, and to smash Brum on Monday!
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Ashton - a few truths on 00:33 - Apr 3 with 337 views
Ashton - a few truths on 00:29 - Apr 3 by Nthsuffolkblue
He hasn't murdered anyone. He hasn't committed tax evasion.
But to me what he has done to the football club I support has angered me as much as if he had done so. He needs to go and he needs to go now.
I don't get how a few people can say, it's OK. He's apologised, let's move on.
Saying you're as upset as if he had literally murdered someone is imho a touch bonkers buddy. I respect your passion for the club, this whole thing is a big steaming pile of turd no doubt, I just don't want to see our season go down the crapper due to this distraction.
Ashton - a few truths on 00:33 - Apr 3 by SouperJim
Saying you're as upset as if he had literally murdered someone is imho a touch bonkers buddy. I respect your passion for the club, this whole thing is a big steaming pile of turd no doubt, I just don't want to see our season go down the crapper due to this distraction.
To me, the disdain he has shown for the football club I love and support makes me feel that level of anger.
I get that some people might not care about the club as much as that, might have accepted his pathetic attempt at an apology or might be very supportive of the club sponsoring Reform. That isn't me, though.
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