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Ashton - a few truths 19:07 - Apr 2 with 4645 viewsSouperJim

He's objectively and demonstrably an excellent chairman. He's overseen the most rapid period of growth in the history of the club. Our success throughout the gamechanger era to date is as much down to him as it is McKenna, arguably more so.

Some folk on here have doubted him and disliked him from the start. I've seen endless references to his Brent-esque communication style over the last 5 years, references to his performance at Bristol City etc.

Yes, he's clearly dropped a stinker with this Farage business and doubled down on it by being economic with the truth. But I would suggest the strength of feeling on here about this sorry episode are not representative of the wider fanbase. One or two of you have just been waiting for the opportunity to get your knives out.

Anybody encouraging protests and chanting is an absolute numptard in my book. In the words of bignose, be on the inside piddling out, not on the outside piddling in. If the amount of energy being expended on this negativity instead went on getting behind the team, we might actually find ourselves promoted come the end of the season.

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:41 - Apr 2 with 559 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Ashton - a few truths on 19:24 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Perhaps a question of whether having Farage at the club makes him guilty by association. When Corbyn sat down with Hezbollah and Hamas, did it make him a terrorist? The political landscape is what it is. I'm fairly left wing and despise Farage, but I'm also willing to forgive Ashton in light of all the good work he's done here. Just this once.


I would have been able to forgive Ashton had he fronted up, admitted his mistakes and apologised. He didn't do the first two at all and the third he gave a pathetic excuse of an apology for the hurt some people are feeling.

It would be like me running over the neighbour's cat and then saying to them I didn't do it followed by them saying "but we saw you do it" and me going "oh well, I am sorry it upsets you."

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:41 - Apr 2 with 558 viewsTheMoralMajority

Ashton - a few truths on 19:40 - Apr 2 by BeachBlue

I hope you never make a serious error


It's not the mistakes we make that matter. It is how we respond to them.

Ashton out

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:42 - Apr 2 with 567 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Ashton - a few truths on 19:24 - Apr 2 by BeachBlue

I can't believe there are some people who'd see our clubs administration disbanded just to satisfy their need for a pound of flesh because of ONE incident.
It was a mistake, he's taken responsibility, he's apologised unreservedly. What do you want exactly? Stand in the centre spot and flagellate himself while you pelt him with rotten tomatoes?!


Hi Beachy. Hope you're having a good evening. 😘😘

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:44 - Apr 2 with 564 viewsBeachBlue

Ashton - a few truths on 19:42 - Apr 2 by Marshalls_Mullet

Hi Beachy. Hope you're having a good evening. 😘😘


Yes thank you. I'm playing with my cat and watching Spinal Tap on the Simpsons.

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:44 - Apr 2 with 562 viewsSouperJim

Ashton - a few truths on 19:31 - Apr 2 by Marshalls_Mullet

I think people should support the team on Monday, but there is only one person responsible for the division at the club and that's Ashton.

I think Ashton should go, and hopefully he will. His non apology was embarrassing.

Fairplay to Ashton for offering KM a job before anyone else did, but Sam Morsy and Gamechanger were arguably more responsible for driving the change.

I've always said that I thought he's done a decent job, but I've always disliked his delivery / Brent persona. His ego has always been too big, and now it might be his downfall.

COYB.

P.S. Its OK to disagree.


Hard disagree that Ashton is the only one responsible for the division. Of course he's the most responsible, but the binary nature of politics these days, the lack of critical thinking among the electorate, the sheer unwillingness to find any middle ground (as challenging as that may be). These attitudes only serve to give the Farage the platform he thrives on.

In the words of the manic street preachers - who's responsible? You effin are.

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:45 - Apr 2 with 561 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Ashton - a few truths on 19:44 - Apr 2 by BeachBlue

Yes thank you. I'm playing with my cat and watching Spinal Tap on the Simpsons.


Aww, thats cute. Glad you still find time to check in with those downvotes. 😘😘

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:45 - Apr 2 with 561 viewsBasingstokeBlue

Who's "bignose"?

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:46 - Apr 2 with 557 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Ashton - a few truths on 19:45 - Apr 2 by BasingstokeBlue

Who's "bignose"?



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Ashton - a few truths on 19:47 - Apr 2 with 537 viewsTheMoralMajority

Ashton - a few truths on 19:44 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Hard disagree that Ashton is the only one responsible for the division. Of course he's the most responsible, but the binary nature of politics these days, the lack of critical thinking among the electorate, the sheer unwillingness to find any middle ground (as challenging as that may be). These attitudes only serve to give the Farage the platform he thrives on.

In the words of the manic street preachers - who's responsible? You effin are.


For a lot of us, the politics matter not one jot. I don't care who it is, you do not use a football club as a promotional platform for a political party.

Politics, by their definition, are divisive.

It's not about the politics (although it is for a lot of people for the aforementioned reasons). It is about everything that has happened since then (or the lack thereof).

Anyway. I'm getting dragged back in, when I said I would not, so I will leave it there.

Have a good evening!

Ashton out

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:48 - Apr 2 with 529 viewsmrshallisfit

You are massively underestimating how much of a clanger he has dropped. How much that has damaged Ipswich's standing and reputation. But that well be a reflection of your own political views.
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Ashton - a few truths on 19:49 - Apr 2 with 523 viewsSouperJim

Ashton - a few truths on 19:47 - Apr 2 by TheMoralMajority

For a lot of us, the politics matter not one jot. I don't care who it is, you do not use a football club as a promotional platform for a political party.

Politics, by their definition, are divisive.

It's not about the politics (although it is for a lot of people for the aforementioned reasons). It is about everything that has happened since then (or the lack thereof).

Anyway. I'm getting dragged back in, when I said I would not, so I will leave it there.

Have a good evening!


Not attempting to force you to engage with a debate you're weary of, but if it's not about the politics, what is it about? The delayed, rather lacklustre apology?

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:50 - Apr 2 with 508 viewsBasingstokeBlue

Ashton - a few truths on 19:46 - Apr 2 by Marshalls_Mullet



Well, that went well, didn't it?

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:51 - Apr 2 with 502 viewsBasingstokeBlue

Ashton - a few truths on 19:49 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Not attempting to force you to engage with a debate you're weary of, but if it's not about the politics, what is it about? The delayed, rather lacklustre apology?


Yes.

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:53 - Apr 2 with 488 viewsSouperJim

Ashton - a few truths on 19:50 - Apr 2 by BasingstokeBlue

Well, that went well, didn't it?


Was possibly a little short-sighted of me to evoke the memory of another so divisive figure

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:54 - Apr 2 with 479 viewsStokieBlue

Ashton - a few truths on 19:24 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Perhaps a question of whether having Farage at the club makes him guilty by association. When Corbyn sat down with Hezbollah and Hamas, did it make him a terrorist? The political landscape is what it is. I'm fairly left wing and despise Farage, but I'm also willing to forgive Ashton in light of all the good work he's done here. Just this once.


But this is essentially saying that as long as someone has done enough good stuff then the bad stuff can be ignored.

I suspect if you were to look at anything which wasn't Town related you wouldn't have that viewpoint.

This wouldn't have got anywhere near the point it has if he hadn't lied to the fanbase and the local media.

SB

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:55 - Apr 2 with 457 viewsTheMoralMajority

Ashton - a few truths on 19:49 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Not attempting to force you to engage with a debate you're weary of, but if it's not about the politics, what is it about? The delayed, rather lacklustre apology?


No problem at all. I have written much on this. Many of it the same thing written in different ways. This probably summarises pretty well:

Why Ashton needs to go... by TheMoralMajority 31 Mar 19:32
I have no idea if you are an NF supporter or not and, honestly, your politics do not concern me at all. It is completely your right to support whoever you see fit. A football club is definitely not the place for this kind of thing. It is for supporting the team that we all want to see succeed.
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This became a big news story far before the fans became involved. My wider issue has nothing to do with politics (although the fact that people want to spin it around to politics really demonstrates what a hideously poor idea this all was, regardless of the particular politician or party involved).

My issue was that we, as fans, were lied to. We were gaslit, we were lied to again. And then, when it was clear that the lies could go on no longer (an international newspaper, had receipts, and went to press), we received an apology that admitted no accountability, no culpability and did not actually apologise for anything at all.

An apology for nothing is no apology at all.

For me, as a fan, the trust in our leadership has been completely broken. The club could, and should have got in front of this. They have done so much good work over the last 4 years and to blow it all up in this way is heartbreaking. I really, really wish none of this had ever happened.

But it has. And it has destroyed my faith in this leadership and questions still need to be answered. I do not believe, in any way, that this is the fan's fault, and I think they, like the team and the manager, are entirely blameless.

I completely accept that you do not feel the same way, as is your right, however I do not feel the need to attack you for your opinion.

I hope you can try to see my (and other people's) point of view whilst realising this is not political, and none of us want to cause damage to the club. But respect is a two-way street.

I will continue to give the team my 100% support, much like I am sure you will. We all just want what is best for Ipswich Town Football Club



And this is where I decided to leave it.
KOA podcast is out by TheMoralMajority 1 Apr 5:38
I'm shutting up about all this now, but I will leave this as my last word on the matter (no promises, the rage may well hit me again).

It was a good pod. Like others, I do not fully agree with all of it, but it was nice for Stuart to go through the list of points (bought the shirts: true, lied to press and fans: true, etc. etc.) and feel somewhat vindicated.

However, my main takeaway is that I don't think Ashton is going to go. I think the ownership and him are too ingrained. Obviously, that saddens me, as all the love and excitement that has built back up for this football club over the last 4 years has been completely destroyed (still love the team, the manager and the players. Just not the entire operation as I did 1 week ago).

The other takeaway I took is that for all of the "blame the fans, they are hurting the team" narrative going around, it looks to me like Ashton is going to throw McKenna under the bus over this. Watson has made it clear he will be asking about it in the presser (even if he believes it will be flat-batted) and the reason is that this is the only avenue that our club's leadership has left open to him. Ashton will not talk to the press, so what is Watson meant to do? I don't like it. I want the focus to be on the team, but I do understand it.

For those that think this is all a mountain out of a molehill: if it makes you feel better to blame me, and other fans, for feeling that we have been totally betrayed and lied to by the leadership, and that is what is likely to impact the team, then more for you. The leadership could *still* get in front of this. They won't. As such, McKenna and the team are left picking up the pieces. I do try to respect your views, but if you think I am the problem, then I fear your ire is misplaced. But you are welcome to blame who you please.

My final word is: Mark Ashton is a coward and a liar and is a stain on our club. Everything good he has done before is totally undermined by his actions over the last week. The actions of a total snake and entirely of his own doing. I find it unlikely I will be able to love the club as much as I did until he is gone. I will, however, always love this club.



It's actually a bit of a shame you have turned up now, because I was very much looking for debate in the first few days (where there was precious little), because I would like nothing more than to be wrong about all of this, and be persuaded of that fact!

Ashton out

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:56 - Apr 2 with 452 viewsSouperJim

Ashton - a few truths on 19:54 - Apr 2 by StokieBlue

But this is essentially saying that as long as someone has done enough good stuff then the bad stuff can be ignored.

I suspect if you were to look at anything which wasn't Town related you wouldn't have that viewpoint.

This wouldn't have got anywhere near the point it has if he hadn't lied to the fanbase and the local media.

SB


Actually that does represent my viewpoint fairly well. Good people sometimes do bad things, it's not helpful or healthy to entirely judge someone based on one poor episode.

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:57 - Apr 2 with 445 viewsStokieBlue

Ashton - a few truths on 19:49 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Not attempting to force you to engage with a debate you're weary of, but if it's not about the politics, what is it about? The delayed, rather lacklustre apology?


He, through the club, lied to the fans and the local media.

It's all out there if you read what has happened over the time frame. He lied to Phil and the story was posted on here by him which turned out to be utter nonsense. This is also why the EADT were so upset as he lied to them as well.

SB

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:58 - Apr 2 with 440 viewsStokieBlue

Ashton - a few truths on 19:56 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Actually that does represent my viewpoint fairly well. Good people sometimes do bad things, it's not helpful or healthy to entirely judge someone based on one poor episode.


OK, if you apply that to other scenarios as well then fair enough.

I think it's more than that though as Moral and myself have expanded on.

SB

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Ashton - a few truths on 19:58 - Apr 2 with 421 viewsRonFearonsHair

Ashton - a few truths on 19:53 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Was possibly a little short-sighted of me to evoke the memory of another so divisive figure


At least it surely can't get any worse?
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Ashton - a few truths on 20:01 - Apr 2 with 413 viewsSouperJim

Ashton - a few truths on 19:58 - Apr 2 by RonFearonsHair

At least it surely can't get any worse?


Oh I dunno...

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Ashton - a few truths on 20:01 - Apr 2 with 412 viewsSwansea_Blue

Ashton - a few truths on 19:15 - Apr 2 by Illinoisblue

That is a wild wild claim that Ashton’s arguably been more responsible for our success than McKenna. Wild.


Depends who was responsible for choosing and then persuading KM to join. IMO, getting a good manager in through the door is the biggest decision made at the club. You can’t objectively measure these things, but if you get the managerial appointment wrong, you’ve got no hope (see Marcus Evans).

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Ashton - a few truths on 20:13 - Apr 2 with 378 viewsRadioOrwell

Ashton - a few truths on 19:40 - Apr 2 by BeachBlue

I hope you never make a serious error


Yeah. It's going fine so far and I'm collecting my pension.
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Ashton - a few truths on 20:15 - Apr 2 with 367 viewsTheMoralMajority

Ashton - a few truths on 20:01 - Apr 2 by Swansea_Blue

Depends who was responsible for choosing and then persuading KM to join. IMO, getting a good manager in through the door is the biggest decision made at the club. You can’t objectively measure these things, but if you get the managerial appointment wrong, you’ve got no hope (see Marcus Evans).


Honestly, this is what makes me so sad. Undoubtedly he has done great things for this club (people will debate, or maybe minimize some of his achievements), but McKenna, pulling the community together, Sheeran, the Wardley fight. The back to back promotions and some of the greatest memories I will ever have as an Ipswich fan.

To blow it all up in such an avoidable and unnecessary way. So, so sad.
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Ashton out

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Ashton - a few truths on 21:27 - Apr 2 with 282 viewsKBsSocks

Ashton - a few truths on 19:56 - Apr 2 by SouperJim

Actually that does represent my viewpoint fairly well. Good people sometimes do bad things, it's not helpful or healthy to entirely judge someone based on one poor episode.


In this case, I am afraid, it IS.

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