| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... 18:09 - Apr 20 with 456 views | Keno |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:17 - Apr 20 with 399 views | redrickstuhaart |
The obvious answer would be because it was utterly blindingly obvious that someone would volunteer such obviously essential information. |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:27 - Apr 20 with 328 views | bluelagos |
Watching GMB this morning, Susanah Reid, Ed Balls with Kevin MacGuire and Gillian Keegan - was clear that across the board, opinion was that Starmer has royally fcked up in appointing Mandleson.
Just doesn't feel that his position is remotely tenable when the trust has broken down. Whether he intentionally lied, I doubt. But it stinks of not wanting to know/check for fear of what it would show.
And for a PM to appoint someone to a position that gets access to sensitive info, before any security checks had even taken place - is beyond irresponsible.
I think it's just a question of how long he lasts - suspect he'll hang on to the May elections and after that his own MPS will be all out to bring him down.
Feels like the end days of Johnson premiership - inexusable behaviour meaning his own party (and public) have simply lost faith in him. |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:53 - Apr 20 with 210 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:17 - Apr 20 by redrickstuhaart |
The obvious answer would be because it was utterly blindingly obvious that someone would volunteer such obviously essential information. |
I think it is reasonable to assume that if a security vetting is carried out, if someone fails it that should be actioned. It is therefore reasonable to assume that if you hear nothing they have passed the vetting.
It was a clear failure of the process. Should Starmer be accountable for that? I don't know myself. |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:54 - Apr 20 with 205 views | NthQldITFC |
Dame Diane Abbott! |  |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:56 - Apr 20 with 193 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:53 - Apr 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think it is reasonable to assume that if a security vetting is carried out, if someone fails it that should be actioned. It is therefore reasonable to assume that if you hear nothing they have passed the vetting.
It was a clear failure of the process. Should Starmer be accountable for that? I don't know myself. |
I think much turns on what this Robins fellow says tomorrow. Who took the decision, where was the pressure to make it from etc etc. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:09 - Apr 20 with 126 views | DJR |
For me John McDonnell summed it up best.
"Many on the Labour Benches, at least, will appreciate my right hon. and learned Friend’s apology today, but many of us remain bewildered about why the appointment took place, despite the warnings that many of us gave him. Is not the reality this? When he sought to realise his ambition to become leader of the Labour party, with very little base within the party, he became dependent on McSweeney, Mandelson and Labour Together to organise and fund his election. When he became the Prime Minister, the reward for McSweeney was control of No. 10, and the reward for Mandelson was the highest diplomatic office. The unspoken message to civil servants was, “What Mandelson wants, Mandelson gets.”
This has damaged the party that I have been a member of for 50 years. I urge the Prime Minister to take steps to clear this toxic culture out of our party, and to take the first step by having an independent inquiry into Labour Together." |  | | |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:10 - Apr 20 with 122 views | Unit2Blue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 18:53 - Apr 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think it is reasonable to assume that if a security vetting is carried out, if someone fails it that should be actioned. It is therefore reasonable to assume that if you hear nothing they have passed the vetting.
It was a clear failure of the process. Should Starmer be accountable for that? I don't know myself. |
He knew Mandleson had links to China, Russia.
Linked with Epstein and stayed in his house while Epstein was in jail.
Yet the former DPP did not ask if he passed vetting?
You must be burying your head in the sand. | | | |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:12 - Apr 20 with 99 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:09 - Apr 20 by DJR |
For me John McDonnell summed it up best.
"Many on the Labour Benches, at least, will appreciate my right hon. and learned Friend’s apology today, but many of us remain bewildered about why the appointment took place, despite the warnings that many of us gave him. Is not the reality this? When he sought to realise his ambition to become leader of the Labour party, with very little base within the party, he became dependent on McSweeney, Mandelson and Labour Together to organise and fund his election. When he became the Prime Minister, the reward for McSweeney was control of No. 10, and the reward for Mandelson was the highest diplomatic office. The unspoken message to civil servants was, “What Mandelson wants, Mandelson gets.”
This has damaged the party that I have been a member of for 50 years. I urge the Prime Minister to take steps to clear this toxic culture out of our party, and to take the first step by having an independent inquiry into Labour Together." |
Comments which may have substance, but which should be treated with great caution as obviously born of McDonnell's own agenda. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:12 - Apr 20 with 94 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:10 - Apr 20 by Unit2Blue |
He knew Mandleson had links to China, Russia.
Linked with Epstein and stayed in his house while Epstein was in jail.
Yet the former DPP did not ask if he passed vetting?
You must be burying your head in the sand. |
This highlighted in yellow from a 2024 document is damning
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:14 - Apr 20 with 86 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:10 - Apr 20 by Unit2Blue |
He knew Mandleson had links to China, Russia.
Linked with Epstein and stayed in his house while Epstein was in jail.
Yet the former DPP did not ask if he passed vetting?
You must be burying your head in the sand. |
It is surely so obvious that he would be told otherwise- it is not surprising to me at all that he did not specifically ask.
We need to know who made what decisions, and who decided not to volunteer the information to the pm, and why. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:16 - Apr 20 with 76 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:10 - Apr 20 by Unit2Blue |
He knew Mandleson had links to China, Russia.
Linked with Epstein and stayed in his house while Epstein was in jail.
Yet the former DPP did not ask if he passed vetting?
You must be burying your head in the sand. |
Fair enough. He didn't need the vetting then because he already knew he would fail it. Which makes him completely to blame. | |
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| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:29 - Apr 20 with 13 views | Unit2Blue |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:14 - Apr 20 by redrickstuhaart |
It is surely so obvious that he would be told otherwise- it is not surprising to me at all that he did not specifically ask.
We need to know who made what decisions, and who decided not to volunteer the information to the pm, and why. |
ha ha
He knew all the above but did not ask, you really are clutching at straws | | | |
| Diane Abbott the voice of reason ... on 19:30 - Apr 20 with 9 views | GlasgowBlue |
The Speaker has accepted Kemi Badenoch application for an emergency debate on Peter Mandelson under Standing Order 24.
It will take place after Olly Robbins has given evidence to the Foreign Affairs Committee so should be lively. | |
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