| Transfer budget 18:05 - May 4 with 2613 views | britbiker |
Has anyone a clue what the TV money incoming is for coming season as it has probably changed massively since two years ago. I have absolutely no idea what the figures are now.
And is it still the case that the parachute payments we would have been due are divided up with the championship clubs or do the Prem teams now keep their greedy mits on that as well. [Post edited 4 May 18:07]
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| Transfer budget on 18:48 - May 4 with 2447 views | Swansea_Blue |
The unused parachute payments for next year get divided between the PL clubs, including us I assume.
I’m not sure about the TV money though. There was a new deal that kicked in last summer which is why Championship clubs started splashing the cash on transfers. I don’t know if that was just an EFL deal or involved the PL too. |  |
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| Transfer budget on 22:08 - May 4 with 2177 views | britbiker |
| Transfer budget on 18:48 - May 4 by Swansea_Blue |
The unused parachute payments for next year get divided between the PL clubs, including us I assume.
I’m not sure about the TV money though. There was a new deal that kicked in last summer which is why Championship clubs started splashing the cash on transfers. I don’t know if that was just an EFL deal or involved the PL too. |
That's less money going into championship team coffers. More likely to be spent in that division if it goes to championship teams. | | | |
| Transfer budget on 22:13 - May 4 with 2153 views | Bellevue_Blue |
This is the first year of the TV deal so we wont know any specifics until their accounts are shared next year.
It wont be drastically more than last time but still well above £100M.
If not used, parachute payments are split equally amongst the 20 PL clubs for the next season. That has always been the case.
In terms of transfer budget, no reason for it not to be similar to last time given our relatively clean finances. |  | | |
| Transfer budget on 22:33 - May 4 with 2043 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
It’s likely to be similar to last time, so £110M plus another £2.5-3M for every place above 20th. | | | |
| Transfer budget on 23:11 - May 4 with 1873 views | suffolkpoker |
Surely we can spend more as we won’t have the league 1 accounts in our last 3 tress like last time. Unless thirds hsve changed again… |  |
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| Transfer budget on 23:33 - May 4 with 1804 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Transfer budget on 23:11 - May 4 by suffolkpoker |
Surely we can spend more as we won’t have the league 1 accounts in our last 3 tress like last time. Unless thirds hsve changed again… |
That’s not a thing anymore, with the introduction of SCR and SSR
SCR rules next season, any accountants able to shed some light on this? by SuffolkPunchFC 4 May 10:35I have your numbers way out [smile]
My quick calculation, based on 24/25 accounts for when we were last in the PL.
Revenue £155M
Total wage bill £77M
Player costs amortised £30M
(estimated to be £27M now, due to Delap and Hutchinson leaving, and accounting for new signings)
Estimated Revenue for 26/27 £180M
At 85% SCR, that gives us £153M to play around with
(There are 'safe' ways to exceed this but reduce future flexibility, so will ignore that)
Remove costs excluding player amortisation (£77M-£27M = £50M) leaves £103M
The signings would of course have to be paid - so let's assume 8 players at £50k/week, so £21M, reducing the headroom to £82M
Signings of players over 4 year contracts would allow £328M, or £410M for 5 years (contracts would of course very) after amortisation
Now, we would not IMO want to go anywhere near 85% SCR ratio - we were 49% last year, but I don't see SCR being the limiting factor for us - it would be other fiscal responsibility that determines what we're prepared to put into player signing.
This is a quick calculation (so ignore positives such as players leaving), but I think it's about right.
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| Transfer budget on 08:51 - May 5 with 1460 views | OldFart71 |
Presumably the same situation applies as before this promotion season where Delap went to Chelsea and that counted towards last seasons fair play rules and why it was some weeks after the window opened before we made a purchase. Also there was an opening and closing of the window and then another reopening due to the FIFA Club World Cup.
So we look forward to the 15th of June.
We have of course the situation where what we do with the likes of Chaplin, Al Hamadi, Szmodics, Harry Clarke etc and players like Cajuste, Akpom, Azon and Kipre,
In some quarters the number required has been quoted at 10. I suspect some will be loans again, Hopefully this time we get players worth their fees as we have over the last two seasons had several that have been pretty much a waste of time. | | | |
| Transfer budget on 11:55 - May 5 with 1254 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Transfer budget on 08:51 - May 5 by OldFart71 |
Presumably the same situation applies as before this promotion season where Delap went to Chelsea and that counted towards last seasons fair play rules and why it was some weeks after the window opened before we made a purchase. Also there was an opening and closing of the window and then another reopening due to the FIFA Club World Cup.
So we look forward to the 15th of June.
We have of course the situation where what we do with the likes of Chaplin, Al Hamadi, Szmodics, Harry Clarke etc and players like Cajuste, Akpom, Azon and Kipre,
In some quarters the number required has been quoted at 10. I suspect some will be loans again, Hopefully this time we get players worth their fees as we have over the last two seasons had several that have been pretty much a waste of time. |
From next season there is no 3 year rolling assessment in the EPL. It’s an annual assessment at the end of the season (I think I read this happens each July). If we stay in the PL, we don’t need to consider PSR. I can see it getting messy for clubs that yo-yo though, as you’ll need to continue to keep an eye on PSR. | | | |
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| Transfer budget on 12:17 - May 5 with 1139 views | bartyg |
| Transfer budget on 11:55 - May 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
From next season there is no 3 year rolling assessment in the EPL. It’s an annual assessment at the end of the season (I think I read this happens each July). If we stay in the PL, we don’t need to consider PSR. I can see it getting messy for clubs that yo-yo though, as you’ll need to continue to keep an eye on PSR. |
Have you seen any guidance as to how SCR will interact with EFL PSR? |  |
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| Transfer budget on 12:24 - May 5 with 1097 views | baxterbasics |
How much did we spend last time on upgrades to the ground, infrastructure, getting PL ready and so on? That's a few mill we don't have to cough up this time, hopefully. |  |
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| Transfer budget on 12:35 - May 5 with 1031 views | bartyg |
| Transfer budget on 12:24 - May 5 by baxterbasics |
How much did we spend last time on upgrades to the ground, infrastructure, getting PL ready and so on? That's a few mill we don't have to cough up this time, hopefully. |
From a cash basis sure, but the limits on squad upgrades have always been due to sustainability rules rather than a lack of funds. | |
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| Transfer budget on 13:43 - May 5 with 855 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Transfer budget on 12:17 - May 5 by bartyg |
Have you seen any guidance as to how SCR will interact with EFL PSR? |
No, I've not been able to find anything about the interaction. From what I have read my thoughts are that (and I may be wrong) :
1. For the current season we will be assessed by the EFL for PSR compliance for the period 23/24 to 25/26. If we were to breach it (I don't believe we will) then under the new regulations (introduced due to Leicester's shenanigans) the EFL will transfer the case to the PL for sanctions.
2. For SCR, this is fully concluded on a yearly basis, so any sanctions will be concluded during the summer immediately after the season finishes. There is therefore no possibility of 'hanging' sanctions carry over into the EFL after relegation.
3. Any club relegated from the PL will become subject to PSR, which presumably means they will need to retroactively calculate their PSR compliance for the previous 2 years in the PL to ensure they 'manage' their losses after relegation to avoid penalties the year following relegation.
It's the last part that strikes me as potentially being very messy. Could a club be relegated with no chance of complying with PSR in their first season in the PL due to SCR working in a completely different way? What about a yo-yo club, with the mechanisms they are measured by changing every year?
I actually quite like SCR & SSR, but feel that they have missed an opportunity to level the playing field better by not managing to get the TBA (Top-to-Bottom Anchoring) regulation approved at the same time. | | | |
| Transfer budget on 15:52 - May 5 with 590 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Transfer budget on 13:43 - May 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
No, I've not been able to find anything about the interaction. From what I have read my thoughts are that (and I may be wrong) :
1. For the current season we will be assessed by the EFL for PSR compliance for the period 23/24 to 25/26. If we were to breach it (I don't believe we will) then under the new regulations (introduced due to Leicester's shenanigans) the EFL will transfer the case to the PL for sanctions.
2. For SCR, this is fully concluded on a yearly basis, so any sanctions will be concluded during the summer immediately after the season finishes. There is therefore no possibility of 'hanging' sanctions carry over into the EFL after relegation.
3. Any club relegated from the PL will become subject to PSR, which presumably means they will need to retroactively calculate their PSR compliance for the previous 2 years in the PL to ensure they 'manage' their losses after relegation to avoid penalties the year following relegation.
It's the last part that strikes me as potentially being very messy. Could a club be relegated with no chance of complying with PSR in their first season in the PL due to SCR working in a completely different way? What about a yo-yo club, with the mechanisms they are measured by changing every year?
I actually quite like SCR & SSR, but feel that they have missed an opportunity to level the playing field better by not managing to get the TBA (Top-to-Bottom Anchoring) regulation approved at the same time. |
Doesn’t SCR run alongside PSR next season? |  |
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| Transfer budget on 15:52 - May 5 with 588 views | NeedhamMarketKop |
I must admit I thought it was £170m for being in the Premier League, then parachute payments when you come back down, but this may have changed as we have already received that last time. | | | |
| Transfer budget on 15:58 - May 5 with 559 views | bartyg |
| Transfer budget on 15:52 - May 5 by NeedhamMarketKop |
I must admit I thought it was £170m for being in the Premier League, then parachute payments when you come back down, but this may have changed as we have already received that last time. |
Parachute payments we were due to receive (one payment for 26/27, because we only spent one year in the Prem) are cancelled i.e stays in the Prem pocket. | |
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| Transfer budget on 15:59 - May 5 with 543 views | bartyg |
| Transfer budget on 15:52 - May 5 by Pinewoodblue |
Doesn’t SCR run alongside PSR next season? |
I don't believe so, however it still exists in the EFL which is where the questions lie. | |
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| Transfer budget on 16:07 - May 5 with 493 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Transfer budget on 15:52 - May 5 by Pinewoodblue |
Doesn’t SCR run alongside PSR next season? |
No, it a 100% replacement in the PL. | | | |
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