| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? 15:07 - May 8 with 854 views | Dubtractor |
The tactic since winning the general election has been to try and appeal to the Reform vote, especially on immigration, but generally being more right leaning than a Labour voter would want them to be.
They have evidently not been remotely successful in appealing to that group, as was never likely to be the case, but have haemorrhaged vote share to the Green's from voters who would otherwise vote Labour.
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:10 - May 8 with 829 views | SomethingBlue |
They surely need to target the left vote but also to hit Reform like a tonne of bricks – there is so much to go at, even in the last fortnight, that would in the past have discredited them for good but Labour have been painfully shot shy. |  |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:11 - May 8 with 819 views | baxterbasics |
Similar message to the Conservatives I reckon.
National elections in a FPTP system are won on the centre ground.
I guess the next question is.... where is the centre really at for the voting public? |  |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:12 - May 8 with 807 views | Zx1988 |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:14 - May 8 with 791 views | Dubtractor |
| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:11 - May 8 by baxterbasics |
Similar message to the Conservatives I reckon.
National elections in a FPTP system are won on the centre ground.
I guess the next question is.... where is the centre really at for the voting public? |
Yep, my view is that the tories are also getting it wrong, though I'm saying that from a position of not being a traditional tory voter. | |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:15 - May 8 with 776 views | Zx1988 |
| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:11 - May 8 by baxterbasics |
Similar message to the Conservatives I reckon.
National elections in a FPTP system are won on the centre ground.
I guess the next question is.... where is the centre really at for the voting public? |
Re FPTP.
Labour need to wake up and realise that we now need Proportional Representation more than ever, for the good of the country.
You can't legislate for the places where Reform/Tory/Restore won >50% of the vote between them, but there will be so many wards and divisions where the majority of the electorate wanted a progressive candidate.
If Labour don't fix the system, the 2029 election may end up forcing a change - at the moment I'm struggling to see any party winning a majority with there now being 5+ major parties (Lab/LD/Con/Ref/Grn/SNP/Plaid). | |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:17 - May 8 with 760 views | Illinoisblue |
| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:10 - May 8 by SomethingBlue |
They surely need to target the left vote but also to hit Reform like a tonne of bricks – there is so much to go at, even in the last fortnight, that would in the past have discredited them for good but Labour have been painfully shot shy. |
Parallels with the Democrats here who seem incredibly docile when failing to regularly attack Trump and co. |  |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:17 - May 8 with 751 views | Herbivore |
Yep. Ironically, immigration is one area where Labour are doing well (if your priority is to reduce immigration) as small boat crossings are down, asylum decisions are being sped up, and net migration has dropped significantly. But Reform voters still aren't interested. They won't be happy until there's paramilitaries on the street raiding convenience stores and Turkish barbers and rounding up brown people to ship off somewhere. You can't outdo a racist party like Reform when it comes to being anti-immigration so why make that your priority? It's an idiotic strategy and has alienated far, far, far more voters than it's won over. |  |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:19 - May 8 with 740 views | Dubtractor |
| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:17 - May 8 by Herbivore |
Yep. Ironically, immigration is one area where Labour are doing well (if your priority is to reduce immigration) as small boat crossings are down, asylum decisions are being sped up, and net migration has dropped significantly. But Reform voters still aren't interested. They won't be happy until there's paramilitaries on the street raiding convenience stores and Turkish barbers and rounding up brown people to ship off somewhere. You can't outdo a racist party like Reform when it comes to being anti-immigration so why make that your priority? It's an idiotic strategy and has alienated far, far, far more voters than it's won over. |
You see on here, that the voters they are trying to appeal to wouldn't piss on Starmer if he was on fire. | |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:21 - May 8 with 717 views | Herbivore |
| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:19 - May 8 by Dubtractor |
You see on here, that the voters they are trying to appeal to wouldn't piss on Starmer if he was on fire. |
One notable Reform voter outright refuses to believe official verified statistics which show a sharp decline in small boat crossings. When they won't even entertain facts then you have no chance of winning the argument. They're a lost cause. | |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:25 - May 8 with 689 views | Steve_M |
It's been, fairly accurately, described as 'punching your own voters in the face'. A colossal own goal even before it was done at the expense of governing properly. |  |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:30 - May 8 with 641 views | Ftnfwest |
oh i don't know, they brilliantly held councils like Wigan and Hartlepool |  | | |
| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:33 - May 8 with 626 views | Radlett_blue |
| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:11 - May 8 by baxterbasics |
Similar message to the Conservatives I reckon.
National elections in a FPTP system are won on the centre ground.
I guess the next question is.... where is the centre really at for the voting public? |
Starmer has tried to be a centrist & please everyone, but he is actually pleasing no-one. Socialists aren't seeing the sort of redistributive actions they want (although Starmer committed in his manifesto not to raise tax). His big weakness is his indecisiveness. Winter fuel was a classic example - abolished it, then the media reaction was adverse, he u-turned & he's still getting the blame for introducing it in the first place & the blame for doubling back. A new Labour leader will have an initial honeymoon period but if they become more left wing they will lose their soft centrists, who may move to the LibDems, while if they stay centrist, their left wing will remain unhappy & they will lose support to the Greens, although whether that is sustainable into a General election remains to be seen. |  |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:42 - May 8 with 587 views | Swansea_Blue |
No chance. Labour’s progress has been completely ignored by Faragites and that will never change, because Farage can shift to new attack lines as one dries up (see increasing attacks on ECHR and the Greens).
Farage supporters completely ignore that boat crossings are significantly down this year (although still high historically), asylum claim backlog down, number of asylum seekers housed in hotels down, new deal in place with France, increases in the number of immigrant returns, overall immigration is massively down (going further on policies introduced by the Tories), reducing the numbers of foreign workers through stricter entry requirements.
We see it on here. They refuse to believe anything not told to them by Farage. It’s a cult. |  |
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| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:51 - May 8 with 542 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Will the penny now drop with Labour to stop trying to appeal to the Reform vote? on 15:33 - May 8 by Radlett_blue |
Starmer has tried to be a centrist & please everyone, but he is actually pleasing no-one. Socialists aren't seeing the sort of redistributive actions they want (although Starmer committed in his manifesto not to raise tax). His big weakness is his indecisiveness. Winter fuel was a classic example - abolished it, then the media reaction was adverse, he u-turned & he's still getting the blame for introducing it in the first place & the blame for doubling back. A new Labour leader will have an initial honeymoon period but if they become more left wing they will lose their soft centrists, who may move to the LibDems, while if they stay centrist, their left wing will remain unhappy & they will lose support to the Greens, although whether that is sustainable into a General election remains to be seen. |
Yep. He’s not really a political operator, and I’m not convinced he actually wants to govern either (he wanted the power, but seems less happy welding it). The only time he looks comfortable is when he’s dealing with foreign affairs stuff, and he’s done very well there in fairness to him. The Tories and Reform (I can’t remember whether the LDs criticised Starmer’s refusal to join America) would both have taken us into war with Iran, for example.
He’d make a decent and steady Foreign Minister. | |
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