| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division 20:22 - May 9 with 8539 views | DublinBlue84 |
This is exactly what they do, use people for their own publicity and sow division.
And they'll keep doing it. |  |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 23:57 - May 9 with 918 views | Camul123 |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 23:49 - May 9 by Churchman |
Paragraph 1: no idea what you are in about
Paragraph 2: it’s social media rubbish. If you bite, that’s up to you
Paragraph 3: that’s abuse. I’ve not been rude to you and you have no right whatsoever to be judgemental or rude to me.
Edit: the AI definition of appeasement is ‘a diplomatic policy of making political, material, or territorial concessions to an aggressive power to avoid conflict’. That is the word you used and it bears no relation to my post, but don’t worry, I got the general abusive message. [Post edited 10 May 0:00]
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Para 1 - it's all out there - Zia Yusef deputy leader announced in last few days.
Para 2 - you're OK with our club being used for fascist propaganda?
Para 3 - free speech view of your position. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 23:59 - May 9 with 901 views | Camul123 |
No answers. No responsibility. No engagement. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:06 - May 10 with 864 views | pointofblue |
Do you think an English football club should be directly associated with any political party? | |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:09 - May 10 with 842 views | Camul123 |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 23:49 - May 9 by Churchman |
Paragraph 1: no idea what you are in about
Paragraph 2: it’s social media rubbish. If you bite, that’s up to you
Paragraph 3: that’s abuse. I’ve not been rude to you and you have no right whatsoever to be judgemental or rude to me.
Edit: the AI definition of appeasement is ‘a diplomatic policy of making political, material, or territorial concessions to an aggressive power to avoid conflict’. That is the word you used and it bears no relation to my post, but don’t worry, I got the general abusive message. [Post edited 10 May 0:00]
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Edited after my reply was posted ... classy.
Suck it up.
Look up the concentration camps - really not difficult - or don't and look like an appeaser at best.
Come back and let me know your thoughts when you've caught up with last week's news. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:15 - May 10 with 816 views | Churchman |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 23:57 - May 9 by Camul123 |
Para 1 - it's all out there - Zia Yusef deputy leader announced in last few days.
Para 2 - you're OK with our club being used for fascist propaganda?
Para 3 - free speech view of your position. |
Para 1 - I don’t know who the bloke is or what he has said and done.
Para 2 - I’ve made it perfectly clear what my stance is politically. I’m not doing it again. I’ve also made it clear how I viewed Farage’s visit, how it was handled and what should happen and when. There’s no need for me to reiterate my opinion.
Para 3 - free speech is not a free pass to be rude and abusive which you were.
A little thought - it is a really good idea to post as you would speak to somebody face to face. |  | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:20 - May 10 with 791 views | Whos_blue |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 23:15 - May 9 by Churchman |
Being passionate is no excuse for bad or abusive language.
So Reform tried to use the club. Ignore them or take the mickey out of them, they’ll go away. Just as the spying stuff will drift away from Southampton if they laugh at it as they did today.
I’ve made my views known about politics and the football club or football in general. I don’t even want to see a boxer on the front row of the directors box or a CEO in the dressing room.
Cobbold stood for election as a Tory MP in 1959. The 21st century me would have found that annoying at best. Sport and politics are oil and water, unless you are the Russian Olympic winter sports team.
You are wrong. We are not aligned politically with anybody. Do you seriously think anybody last weekend thought ‘oooh Nige will be pleased?’. I doubt it. People are not that stupid.
There will be some that like Reform but I bet their only thought was wanting their club to succeed. Supporters of other clubs? Nobody I know has mentioned it and while a few will use it as a stick or ridicule opportunity, who the heck cares? Not me.
I don’t know Ashton, not met him, don’t wish to, but while I’d challenge him to his face on certain things, I’d never use bad language towards him to his face, anymore than I would to anyone else or anyone on social media - unless they used it on me first. |
Come on mate.
I will take your point about political alignment and will change my statement to say associated to reform instead, but just take a look at the image.
I find your position that we are not associated with reform unfathomable.
It's there for all to see, posted by Reform and directly names us in the post.
It drags our club down.
For such a well regarded poster here, I just cannot get my head around your position on this |  |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:21 - May 10 with 788 views | Camul123 |
Yes it is.
My grandparents fought a war against such ideas and practices.
One of them paid the price leaving a widow with three kids under seven including my Mum.
Do you come from a line of anti-fascist heros? | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:22 - May 10 with 786 views | Churchman |
A definition from the internet of fascism is:
‘A fascist is a follower or proponent of fascism, a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterised by a dictatorial leader, centralised autocracy, militarism, and the forcible suppression of opposition. It prioritises the nation or race over individual rights, promoting rigid social hierarchy and strict economic control.’
You are right. Democracy is the opposite of that. | | | |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:24 - May 10 with 769 views | pointofblue |
But surely there is a reason why no political party - including Reform - has has this kind of publicity from other clubs? | |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:25 - May 10 with 762 views | Camul123 |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:22 - May 10 by Churchman |
A definition from the internet of fascism is:
‘A fascist is a follower or proponent of fascism, a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterised by a dictatorial leader, centralised autocracy, militarism, and the forcible suppression of opposition. It prioritises the nation or race over individual rights, promoting rigid social hierarchy and strict economic control.’
You are right. Democracy is the opposite of that. |
Cheers.
I look forward to seeing a post distinguishing Farage and Reform from that definition. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:27 - May 10 with 757 views | armchaircritic59 |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 23:49 - May 9 by Churchman |
Paragraph 1: no idea what you are in about
Paragraph 2: it’s social media rubbish. If you bite, that’s up to you
Paragraph 3: that’s abuse. I’ve not been rude to you and you have no right whatsoever to be judgemental or rude to me.
Edit: the AI definition of appeasement is ‘a diplomatic policy of making political, material, or territorial concessions to an aggressive power to avoid conflict’. That is the word you used and it bears no relation to my post, but don’t worry, I got the general abusive message. [Post edited 10 May 0:00]
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Oh the blessed days of no social media, therefore no hoards of nobodies pretending they're somebody, no so called celebrities who turn up at the opening of an envelope and make sure everyone knows, and no people with an agenda to force down everyones throats whether they like it or not. An absolutely perfect fit for todays " outrage society ". There are decent posters on there, unfortunately they're drowning in a huge pile of cow dung.
I wouldn't worry much about abuse if I were you, I've had plenty over the years for more than one reason. It reflects far more on the person using it than it does on the person receiving it. |  | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:31 - May 10 with 745 views | Whos_blue |
The post literally states "Thank you Ipswich Town fans".
In what reality does that not associate our club with reform? | |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:38 - May 10 with 717 views | Churchman |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:20 - May 10 by Whos_blue |
Come on mate.
I will take your point about political alignment and will change my statement to say associated to reform instead, but just take a look at the image.
I find your position that we are not associated with reform unfathomable.
It's there for all to see, posted by Reform and directly names us in the post.
It drags our club down.
For such a well regarded poster here, I just cannot get my head around your position on this |
They are just (mis)using social media. We are only aligned/associated/defined if we allow ourselves to be and take the bait. It is what they want. Starve them of the oxygen of publicity and they go away.
You, me, tens of 1000s are not associated with them and neither are the vast majority of players and staff. Or sponsors come to that, who I suspect will be a key factor in what happens next.
I’ve said many times I believe the upper structure will change this summer in my view, hopefully to progress the football club, not to its detriment. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:39 - May 10 with 712 views | Camul123 |
Do you have any idea how many died fighting against fascism?
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:49 - May 10 with 689 views | Whos_blue |
Who let the political party in and allowed them to take the photos in the first place?
We've allowed ourself to be used in this way.
We're responsible for the association with reform.
I really am struggling to understand how anyone could refute this. | |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:54 - May 10 with 681 views | Churchman |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:39 - May 10 by Camul123 |
Do you have any idea how many died fighting against fascism?
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You are being abusive - again. Is there a reason why you cannot be polite towards a fellow poster who is just as entitled to give their opinion as you?
And for the record I do know how many died fighting the Axis powers.
One of them was an air gunner in 50 Squadron by the name of JH Matthews. His aircraft took part in an attack on two Battlecruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau berthed in Brest in March 1941. Returning from the attack the damaged aircraft, a Handley Page Hampden, suddenly rolled and dived into the sea off the Scily Isles. The crew of four is remembered on the Runnymede Memorial. He was a relation of mine. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:57 - May 10 with 1358 views | naa |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:38 - May 10 by Churchman |
They are just (mis)using social media. We are only aligned/associated/defined if we allow ourselves to be and take the bait. It is what they want. Starve them of the oxygen of publicity and they go away.
You, me, tens of 1000s are not associated with them and neither are the vast majority of players and staff. Or sponsors come to that, who I suspect will be a key factor in what happens next.
I’ve said many times I believe the upper structure will change this summer in my view, hopefully to progress the football club, not to its detriment. |
Your posts are very considered but I also feel a little naive about the power of social media. It's one of the key reasons Reform have become so popular so quickly. You can't just dismiss it because you can see how transparent it is. Others can't. [Post edited 10 May 1:01]
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 01:12 - May 10 with 1313 views | Churchman |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 00:57 - May 10 by naa |
Your posts are very considered but I also feel a little naive about the power of social media. It's one of the key reasons Reform have become so popular so quickly. You can't just dismiss it because you can see how transparent it is. Others can't. [Post edited 10 May 1:01]
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An interesting point. I do dismiss social media for its transparency and outright lies and manipulation. But I am aware of the power of it but have no true solution. I see the only way forward being immediate refute, open debate and exposure. But there are times when letting situations blow themselves out might be the least worse way forward.
If you take authoritarians and totalitarians including Trump and Putin what do they do first? Shut down freedom of speech, debate and control the narrative. I see labelling and abuse as no real solution.
Untangling this is the simple point that a football club’s involvement in politics should go no further than good relations with those in power to achieve an end like planning permission. That’s it. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 01:21 - May 10 with 1299 views | Camul123 |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 01:12 - May 10 by Churchman |
An interesting point. I do dismiss social media for its transparency and outright lies and manipulation. But I am aware of the power of it but have no true solution. I see the only way forward being immediate refute, open debate and exposure. But there are times when letting situations blow themselves out might be the least worse way forward.
If you take authoritarians and totalitarians including Trump and Putin what do they do first? Shut down freedom of speech, debate and control the narrative. I see labelling and abuse as no real solution.
Untangling this is the simple point that a football club’s involvement in politics should go no further than good relations with those in power to achieve an end like planning permission. That’s it. |
I see you're running an alt account obviously.
Cocked up there old boy. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 01:29 - May 10 with 1281 views | Churchman |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 01:21 - May 10 by Camul123 |
I see you're running an alt account obviously.
Cocked up there old boy. |
I was responding to another poster and I don’t know what ‘running an alt account’ means. Please don’t bother explaining.
As for cocking up, still no idea what you mean, but this ‘old boy’ does that all the time. Sadly I have to leave perfection to others. | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 05:30 - May 10 with 1195 views | tiptreeblue |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 21:16 - May 9 by have_a_word_with_him |
Ok, but they did win so enough people in Suffolk voted for them. You might not like it but that's what happened. |
I love the idea of people downvoting factual posts, as you say it might not be nice, but it's factual | | | |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 06:36 - May 10 with 1156 views | Benters |
As I’ve said before you take a crowd of 30’000 people a fair few of those people will be Reform voters.
That’s if people like it or not.Some people won’t admit it either.
I wonder if Ashton played a blinder here,inviting the future PM of Blighty for a bit of nose bag. |  |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 07:08 - May 10 with 1135 views | NewcyBlue |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 06:36 - May 10 by Benters |
As I’ve said before you take a crowd of 30’000 people a fair few of those people will be Reform voters.
That’s if people like it or not.Some people won’t admit it either.
I wonder if Ashton played a blinder here,inviting the future PM of Blighty for a bit of nose bag. |
At some point there needs to be a proper grown up conversation about it.
Other than sound bites, what really is it that reform voters are voting for?
This is the area I live in, I live in a reform area now. Tomorrow morning I’ll be emailing about an issue with at one of the local parks, and bringing up that local scrap men have stolen the gratings from the storm drains.
I wish I had kept the leaflets that had come through the door in recent weeks, the independent candidate had actual goals and visions.
The green candidate had information and a clear vision of what she wanted to achieve.
Reform, it was all about Farage. Nothing about the local area, the issues in the local area.
It’s all lacking a bit of substance really.
I tend not to talk politics with mates or colleagues these days, it’s just boring mate.
At the end of the day, I don’t see any politician as being in it for anything other than to line their own pockets. They’re all crooks, and the last person to enter the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes. |  |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 07:11 - May 10 with 1112 views | Benters |
| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 21:16 - May 9 by have_a_word_with_him |
Ok, but they did win so enough people in Suffolk voted for them. You might not like it but that's what happened. |
This they don’t like it you are correct. | |
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| I see reform are continuing to use the club to sow division on 07:17 - May 10 with 1093 views | Benters |
This. | |
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