| Prime minister at the next election 06:30 - May 12 with 2422 views | gtsb1966 |
IF (they won't) the Labour party manage to get Burnham through the door then they win the next election. If it's Streeting then it's Farage. It really is as simple as that. They have one chance and they'll blow it. |  | | |  |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:24 - May 12 with 755 views | WeWereZombies |
| Prime minister at the next election on 12:40 - May 12 by Plums |
and sadly, that the press will accept and not demonise. |
The, mainly Conservative, press will demonise any Labour leader and the isolated moderate voices like The Guardian and The Independent (sometimes) and the BBC (sometimes) will be critical if instant results are not forthcoming. It's up to the voting public to take whatever information they can glean from these biased sources and process that together with the reality they see in their daily lives to form an opinion of who is for the best. And that to some extent and perhaps remarkably is what happened at the last Westminster General Election. It doesn't do to demonise the general public either, it's still a minority who vote 'Reform'. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:29 - May 12 with 723 views | wrightsrightglove |
I don’t think it matters who they have in charge unless they’re going to change course in a fairly dramatic fashion (Rayner is the only one who might be able / willing to pull that off). They’ve leant into the right wing rhetoric rather than challenging it and showing people a better alternative. They need to become a progressive left of centre party and show how they’re improving ordinary people’s lives over the next 3 years. The best way to do that imo, is Rayner, cut ties with the genocidal maniacs of this world, PR and a plan to rejoin the EU |  | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:31 - May 12 with 707 views | baxterbasics |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:29 - May 12 by wrightsrightglove |
I don’t think it matters who they have in charge unless they’re going to change course in a fairly dramatic fashion (Rayner is the only one who might be able / willing to pull that off). They’ve leant into the right wing rhetoric rather than challenging it and showing people a better alternative. They need to become a progressive left of centre party and show how they’re improving ordinary people’s lives over the next 3 years. The best way to do that imo, is Rayner, cut ties with the genocidal maniacs of this world, PR and a plan to rejoin the EU |
If your big hope is that we'll get someone who tells Trump and Netanyahu where to shove it, I fear you will be disappointed. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:36 - May 12 with 682 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:29 - May 12 by wrightsrightglove |
I don’t think it matters who they have in charge unless they’re going to change course in a fairly dramatic fashion (Rayner is the only one who might be able / willing to pull that off). They’ve leant into the right wing rhetoric rather than challenging it and showing people a better alternative. They need to become a progressive left of centre party and show how they’re improving ordinary people’s lives over the next 3 years. The best way to do that imo, is Rayner, cut ties with the genocidal maniacs of this world, PR and a plan to rejoin the EU |
Rayner will struggle to win the crucial centre ground voters. Not because she's a woman or even northern, but because she does not come across as particularly bright. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:37 - May 12 with 680 views | hype313 |
| Prime minister at the next election on 09:51 - May 12 by baxterbasics |
It does feel like the model of large parties encompassing a broad church of opinion is becoming increasingly broken. Britain is ungovernable.
I've no love for Starmer but can't see how changing the man at the top improves anything, in terms of longer term electoral prospects. There's too much focus on who is PM not enough on collective governance, IMO.
If the fringe parties get any handle on power they will soon come up against the same problems. Dissatisfied electorate, in-fighting, scandal, personal ambitions getting in the way.
I hope both Labour and the Conservatives can get their houses in order and we can go back to the good old days of a straight red vs blue fight. But this feels very optimistic. Genie is out of the bottle. |
I think we'll end up like lots of other countries where we have coalitions, no party in their current guise would be able to command a majority if a GE was called today.
The days of 2 party politics are well and truly over. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:39 - May 12 with 677 views | Swansea_Blue |
Jess Phillips gone. Attacking his inability to make an argument - that feels fair to me; who does know what they stand for and where they’re taking us under Starmer’s leadership?
This is starting to feel more real than just a media storm. Over 80 letters now too. They seem really pissed off with him. Maybe he can ride it out, but it’s starting to feel as if it could be terminal. It might be a gift in the short-term for Farage, but Labour are wasting a huge majority in front of our eyes. At least a change of direction (some clarity and some actual direction) could see faster progress in fixing things, which is the only chance they have of seeing off Reform in 3 years. They can’t carry on as they are imo. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:40 - May 12 with 673 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:37 - May 12 by hype313 |
I think we'll end up like lots of other countries where we have coalitions, no party in their current guise would be able to command a majority if a GE was called today.
The days of 2 party politics are well and truly over. |
In that case we need an electoral system that works for a multi-party landscape. Electoral reform is a must on the road to rebuilding trust in the public. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:41 - May 12 with 674 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:37 - May 12 by hype313 |
I think we'll end up like lots of other countries where we have coalitions, no party in their current guise would be able to command a majority if a GE was called today.
The days of 2 party politics are well and truly over. |
Fptp means that reform really could get a majority. If labour and lib dem votes are split with greens letting them in. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 13:44 - May 12 with 662 views | wrightsrightglove |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:31 - May 12 by baxterbasics |
If your big hope is that we'll get someone who tells Trump and Netanyahu where to shove it, I fear you will be disappointed. |
Well quite, which is why I wouldn’t vote for them currently but one can hope! | | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 14:18 - May 12 with 603 views | The_Major |
Starmer is too scared to upset people.As Jess Phillips pointed out in her letter, there's been pressure on Big Tech to bring in online safeguards, but no actual action.
A lot of the rhetoric around immigration would have been a bit too strong for some Tories, let alone Labour voters. And the people that is aimed at will never vote for him anyway.
Lest we forget, he's got a parliamentary majority that apart from Thatcher and Blair, we've only really seen when there's a National Government like there was during the war. And both Thatcher and Blair used those majorities to get what they believed in on the statute books, for better or worse.
We know that in the past Starmer has shown no fear in taking on huge opponents - don't forget, he fought McDonald's about 30 years ago, and to be fair, he has shown a bit more backbone with Trump lately, but not to do it now, with the majority he has, is almost a dereliction of duty. |  | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 17:02 - May 12 with 520 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Prime minister at the next election on 13:39 - May 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Jess Phillips gone. Attacking his inability to make an argument - that feels fair to me; who does know what they stand for and where they’re taking us under Starmer’s leadership?
This is starting to feel more real than just a media storm. Over 80 letters now too. They seem really pissed off with him. Maybe he can ride it out, but it’s starting to feel as if it could be terminal. It might be a gift in the short-term for Farage, but Labour are wasting a huge majority in front of our eyes. At least a change of direction (some clarity and some actual direction) could see faster progress in fixing things, which is the only chance they have of seeing off Reform in 3 years. They can’t carry on as they are imo. |
Seems to me that Starmer is putting himself before party and country.
He is dragging both through the mire. Everybody can see he has to go.
For goodness sake do it with honour and dignity. Dont wait until you are thrown.
If he stays there will be no meaningful Labour party at the next election. |  | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 19:35 - May 12 with 495 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 17:02 - May 12 by flykickingbybgunn |
Seems to me that Starmer is putting himself before party and country.
He is dragging both through the mire. Everybody can see he has to go.
For goodness sake do it with honour and dignity. Dont wait until you are thrown.
If he stays there will be no meaningful Labour party at the next election. |
It’s quite a bizarre watch. Lammy has come out in defence and repeated Starmer’s claim that stability is key, they need to get on with governing and changing leader would be a gift to Farage. Er, hello? Have they any understanding of how badly their governing is going down? They seem utterly divorced from reality. As you say, they’re already killing the Labour Party. They’re already a gift to Reform.
I’ve got some sympathy with the argument Starmer is serious and really cares about delivering. Fine, but irrelevant. It misses the point completely. Nobody knows what their vision is and they have incoherent and contradictory policies that undermine what they say they want to do. They’ve pissed off the left, the Champaign Socialists, the Unions, business, and obviously the right. He’s a dead man walking, so yes for all our sakes let’s hope they get it sorted asap. I don’t care who they chose instead as long as they can present and deliver on a clear, coherent vision for improving lives of people. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 19:47 - May 12 with 466 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Prime minister at the next election on 17:02 - May 12 by flykickingbybgunn |
Seems to me that Starmer is putting himself before party and country.
He is dragging both through the mire. Everybody can see he has to go.
For goodness sake do it with honour and dignity. Dont wait until you are thrown.
If he stays there will be no meaningful Labour party at the next election. |
Or the opposite? Taking the abuse but staying to do the job and avoiding the destabilising circus we've seen from recent governments? He was elected and no-one better is putting themselves forward. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 08:54 - May 13 with 392 views | baxterbasics |
My opinion, - again, as no fan of Starmer - I think it would be better for the country if his MPs (and also the media) pipe down and let him get on with it. There's no obvious successor waiting in the wings (no quick route for Burnham) and all this speculation and infighting and instability at the top is not helpful. We need a period of stable boring governance, even if that means he's little more than a caretaker PM. We've had this nonsense from both sides pretty much since Cameron resigned. Stop deposing leaders mid-cycle. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 09:03 - May 13 with 353 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 08:54 - May 13 by baxterbasics |
My opinion, - again, as no fan of Starmer - I think it would be better for the country if his MPs (and also the media) pipe down and let him get on with it. There's no obvious successor waiting in the wings (no quick route for Burnham) and all this speculation and infighting and instability at the top is not helpful. We need a period of stable boring governance, even if that means he's little more than a caretaker PM. We've had this nonsense from both sides pretty much since Cameron resigned. Stop deposing leaders mid-cycle. |
I see the left have said that if Streeting becomes PM they will ensure he doesn’t last as long as a lettuce and they will bring him down.
So one faction is already plotting to bring down the next PM whilst the other faction is plotting to bring down the current PM.
Meanwhile the Burnham supporters will back Starmer in a leadership election to give their man more time to get into the HOC so he can stand against Starmer in a leadership election.
You couldn’t make it up. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 09:13 - May 13 with 349 views | Radlett_blue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 08:54 - May 13 by baxterbasics |
My opinion, - again, as no fan of Starmer - I think it would be better for the country if his MPs (and also the media) pipe down and let him get on with it. There's no obvious successor waiting in the wings (no quick route for Burnham) and all this speculation and infighting and instability at the top is not helpful. We need a period of stable boring governance, even if that means he's little more than a caretaker PM. We've had this nonsense from both sides pretty much since Cameron resigned. Stop deposing leaders mid-cycle. |
Or, Labour could appoint an "interim" PM. |  |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 09:15 - May 13 with 337 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 09:13 - May 13 by Radlett_blue |
Or, Labour could appoint an "interim" PM. |
Ed Miliband “shudder”. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 09:31 - May 13 with 313 views | Leaky |
| Prime minister at the next election on 07:18 - May 12 by Plums |
I'm beginning to wonder if it's not a Labour problem (although they seem to have enough of them) but a UK problem. The political narrative has become so polarised and binary that the country is actually ungovernable regardless of who has the keys to number 10.
It's become so tribal that irrespective of whether a policy is for the national good, it will be opposed and shouted down because it 'wasn't invented here'. Is it too late? |
Good point, perhaps change the way things are done, if you change PM mid term requirement should be a GE. Hopefully parties will be more careful on the selection process and not want to jump ship so quickly. |  | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 09:53 - May 13 with 302 views | Radlett_blue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 09:31 - May 13 by Leaky |
Good point, perhaps change the way things are done, if you change PM mid term requirement should be a GE. Hopefully parties will be more careful on the selection process and not want to jump ship so quickly. |
Nonsensical idea. Sometimes PMs resign as a result of ill health. Should that trigger a General election? | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 10:54 - May 13 with 239 views | WeWereZombies |
| Prime minister at the next election on 09:31 - May 13 by Leaky |
Good point, perhaps change the way things are done, if you change PM mid term requirement should be a GE. Hopefully parties will be more careful on the selection process and not want to jump ship so quickly. |
Generally people are voting for a party at a General Election (although there is a strong argument for voting for a particular person regardless of which party they belong to if you think they are the best person able to represent you.) The party have chosen a leader and that person usually becomes Prime Minister, if the party decide to change leader during the term of a Parliament they are still the party more people voted for at the last election. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 12:39 - May 13 with 183 views | DJR |
| Prime minister at the next election on 09:03 - May 13 by GlasgowBlue |
I see the left have said that if Streeting becomes PM they will ensure he doesn’t last as long as a lettuce and they will bring him down.
So one faction is already plotting to bring down the next PM whilst the other faction is plotting to bring down the current PM.
Meanwhile the Burnham supporters will back Starmer in a leadership election to give their man more time to get into the HOC so he can stand against Starmer in a leadership election.
You couldn’t make it up. |
Allies are saying that Streeting will resign and seek the sufficient nominations.
If that happens, Starmer would be on the ballot paper - there is no indication that he does not intend to fight- and I wouldn't be surprised if no one else puts themselves forward.
If that is the case, I can't see Streeting having enough support among the membership to beat Starmer.
That would probably give Starmer a year or so, but if it's still pear-shaped then, and Burnham does manage to get a seat, I could imagine his seeking the leadership but by then it may just be too late to save the party. |  | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 12:43 - May 13 with 168 views | Unit2Blue |
| Prime minister at the next election on 10:00 - May 12 by redrickstuhaart |
Frightening thing is that all of this is essentially media and social media driven. Ask the average starmer hater what he has actually done wrong and you'll be lucky to hear much more than stop the boats. Which is a tiny issue in the scheme of things and also improving.
His biggest failing is not being an engaging personality and being unable to be aggressive with social media in support of just trying to do things properly rather than stirring hate and rage. |
U turns
Backing down on welfare reform
Spending too much money abroad when we need it spent here
Not letting Andy back in as an MP
Just worried about his world image instead of concentrating on our country
Wanting to give the EU billions | | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 12:52 - May 13 with 148 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Prime minister at the next election on 12:43 - May 13 by Unit2Blue |
U turns
Backing down on welfare reform
Spending too much money abroad when we need it spent here
Not letting Andy back in as an MP
Just worried about his world image instead of concentrating on our country
Wanting to give the EU billions |
U turns arent mistakes per se. They are correcting them? Or do you say he was right int he first place on those?
Backing down on welfare reform- possibly- though what has he actualy backed down on at this point?
No one is spending too much abroad- silly comment.
The idea that a PM should ignore the rest of the world given current situations, or that he cannot still be dealing with things at home is bizarre.
I think you have illustrated my point really well.
The Burnham thing is not a policy issue affecting people. | |
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| Prime minister at the next election on 14:10 - May 13 with 93 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Prime minister at the next election on 12:52 - May 13 by redrickstuhaart |
U turns arent mistakes per se. They are correcting them? Or do you say he was right int he first place on those?
Backing down on welfare reform- possibly- though what has he actualy backed down on at this point?
No one is spending too much abroad- silly comment.
The idea that a PM should ignore the rest of the world given current situations, or that he cannot still be dealing with things at home is bizarre.
I think you have illustrated my point really well.
The Burnham thing is not a policy issue affecting people. |
For me the U turns show somebody with policies that have not been properly thought out in the first place. Hence the need to reverse them.
Starmer does not seem to have a direction that he wants to take the country in.
He stated that growth was his No 1 priority, then did things to stiffle it.
He wants to help the workers but unemployment has risen every month he has been in charge. Youngsters unemployment is appalling.
Raising the minimum wage is an excellent thing but not when you are taxing businesses so highly that they are already considering laying people off.
He could have allowed the Yanks to use our bases without getting involved or antagonising the most erratic and powerful man on earth.
The only bright part that I can see is Streetings work on the NHS. It is still very much a work in progress but at least it is a step in the right direction.
At least it is a direction. | | | |
| Prime minister at the next election on 14:46 - May 13 with 38 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Prime minister at the next election on 14:10 - May 13 by flykickingbybgunn |
For me the U turns show somebody with policies that have not been properly thought out in the first place. Hence the need to reverse them.
Starmer does not seem to have a direction that he wants to take the country in.
He stated that growth was his No 1 priority, then did things to stiffle it.
He wants to help the workers but unemployment has risen every month he has been in charge. Youngsters unemployment is appalling.
Raising the minimum wage is an excellent thing but not when you are taxing businesses so highly that they are already considering laying people off.
He could have allowed the Yanks to use our bases without getting involved or antagonising the most erratic and powerful man on earth.
The only bright part that I can see is Streetings work on the NHS. It is still very much a work in progress but at least it is a step in the right direction.
At least it is a direction. |
Most people think he was right about The US war of choice... Including Farage, with hindsight.
The economics is near impossible given the world environment, but has been improving. Youngsters unemployment is indeed a massive gfrowing issue. It didnt start with this government though and trhere are policies being announced and put in place to start dealing with it/
People have been told he's awful by their echo chambers. | |
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