| This Saints spying thing 11:51 - May 12 with 12545 views | bluefunk |
Looks like it’s a real headache for the EFL and the disciplinary commitee, Southampton have asked for more time, which is exactly what the authorities don’t have.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo
It won’t be the first time they’ve done this, maybe explains their successful rise up the table. Middlesbrough apparently want sporting sanctions rather than a fine, (but then they would wouldn’t they). |  | | |  |
| This Saints spying thing on 09:30 - May 14 with 789 views | Pinewoodblue |
| This Saints spying thing on 09:13 - May 14 by tractorboy1978 |
You can't quantify the level of advantage they had or the points they gained because of it (assuming it's been done outside of the Boro incident). All you can say is that the perceived advantage from the Southampton end was high enough for them to risk being caught breaking an EFL rule. As I see it the punishment needs to strong as this will set a precedent/deterrent going forwards. Leeds got away with being fined £200k as their wasn't a rule written at the time. As I said earlier in the thread, being thrown out of the play offs seems the only solution to me if they are proven guilty. They could only have themselves to blame. |
Southampton broke the rules seeking an advantage. Whether it worked not is irrelevant.
Field an ineligible player, even if it was simple administrative error, the game is null & void.
Middlesbrough advance to the final 4-2 on aggregate. Add on a points deduction as it was a wilful act. |  |
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| This Saints spying thing on 09:37 - May 14 with 751 views | ringwoodblue |
Personally I think the EFL should give Saints a 15 point deduction and recommend that it is carried over to the PL if they are promoted. This means pretty much guaranteed relegation next season or if still in the Championship make it much more difficult to get promoted.
I don’t think the EFL should alter results of football matches or reinstate Boro. It would make the playoff final a farce and be unfair on Hull who can’t prepare if they don’t know who they will be playing. |  |
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| This Saints spying thing on 09:46 - May 14 with 715 views | Cafe_Newman |
I think this will go one of two ways: insignificant fine or major punishment.
I'd like to see Soton relegated to L1 and a Boro v Hull final, but a suspect there'll be a fine and potential points deduction in the Prem if it is discovered that other matches were effected. |  |
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| This Saints spying thing on 13:12 - May 14 with 544 views | southnorfolkblue |
| This Saints spying thing on 09:37 - May 14 by ringwoodblue |
Personally I think the EFL should give Saints a 15 point deduction and recommend that it is carried over to the PL if they are promoted. This means pretty much guaranteed relegation next season or if still in the Championship make it much more difficult to get promoted.
I don’t think the EFL should alter results of football matches or reinstate Boro. It would make the playoff final a farce and be unfair on Hull who can’t prepare if they don’t know who they will be playing. |
They’ll still be £150,000,000 better off. All that will achieve is that they won’t spend the money and make themselves even stronger when they return to the Championship |  |
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| This Saints spying thing on 14:18 - May 14 with 491 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| This Saints spying thing on 09:37 - May 14 by ringwoodblue |
Personally I think the EFL should give Saints a 15 point deduction and recommend that it is carried over to the PL if they are promoted. This means pretty much guaranteed relegation next season or if still in the Championship make it much more difficult to get promoted.
I don’t think the EFL should alter results of football matches or reinstate Boro. It would make the playoff final a farce and be unfair on Hull who can’t prepare if they don’t know who they will be playing. |
I agree ... not only can you not alter results after games but you have to give Southampton a fair right to reply and if you kick them out entirely at this stage, you risk real legal damage.
The best course of action is to proceed with Soton vs Hull and continue to build the investigation, then bring the action after the final when you know the situation.
If they did it once, they should be fined, staff banned and handed a hefty points deduction regardless of what league they are in.
If they did it continually throughout the season and get promoted, they should be fined, staff banned and have their promotion voided with Hull going up.
That way the final gets played, broadcasters, partners and fans are appeased and then you hand that punishment down in 11 days time giving Soton an opportunity to appeal it and you'd have it resolved before the transfer window/ pre-season starts. | | | |
| This Saints spying thing on 22:56 - May 19 with 244 views | chantryblueboy |
| This Saints spying thing on 12:47 - May 13 by chantryblueboy |
Any punishment for cheating has to be bigger than the advantage you are trying to gain, otherwise there is no deterrent - so Southampton can’t be allowed to win promotion off the back if it |
Common sense has prevailed | | | |
| This Saints spying thing on 23:00 - May 19 with 223 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| This Saints spying thing on 14:18 - May 14 by Bellevue_Blue |
I agree ... not only can you not alter results after games but you have to give Southampton a fair right to reply and if you kick them out entirely at this stage, you risk real legal damage.
The best course of action is to proceed with Soton vs Hull and continue to build the investigation, then bring the action after the final when you know the situation.
If they did it once, they should be fined, staff banned and handed a hefty points deduction regardless of what league they are in.
If they did it continually throughout the season and get promoted, they should be fined, staff banned and have their promotion voided with Hull going up.
That way the final gets played, broadcasters, partners and fans are appeased and then you hand that punishment down in 11 days time giving Soton an opportunity to appeal it and you'd have it resolved before the transfer window/ pre-season starts. |
You can alter the result of a football game though. As someone mentioned you could win a cup tie and later found to have fielded an ineligible player. You would get kicked out and the other team a bye. [Post edited 19 May 23:05]
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