| 35.1C in May 20:15 - May 26 with 8897 views | NthQldITFC |
Is there anyone left who thinks we haven't completely fked our future?
If so, I'll have some of what you're on. |  |
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| 35.1C in May on 08:49 - May 29 with 603 views | StokieBlue |
| 35.1C in May on 08:43 - May 29 by Rimsy |
Firstly, no I've never been warned off by Phil. And do you really have the time to read through my posts from the last decade to try to get a handle on my character?
My point is it wouldn't matter a jot what I was to post. You've all made up your minds on climate change, you're not willing to listen to any other arguments.
For what it's worth, I don't disagree that it's real, just that the man made angle has been over egged, and the whole thing has been monetised. Alot of people have got very rich pushing the global warming agenda. For example, the green levies we are all forced to pay on our energy bills, which I think is around 15%. |
"My point is it wouldn't matter a jot what I was to post. You've all made up your minds on climate change, you're not willing to listen to any other arguments."
You've not made any arguments for us to rebuff so this is just strawman nonsense.
"For what it's worth, I don't disagree that it's real, just that the man made angle has been over egged, and the whole thing has been monetised. Alot of people have got very rich pushing the global warming agenda. For example, the green levies we are all forced to pay on our energy bills, which I think is around 15%."
At least this is an actual opinion. Lets see some evidence to back it up now that we can agree with or refute. Just saying something because you feel that way doesn't make it true.
For instance, if the manmade angle is "over egged" then construct a rebuttal to why the changes have been so much faster than at any other point in history.
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| 35.1C in May on 08:52 - May 29 with 583 views | NthQldITFC |
| 35.1C in May on 08:43 - May 29 by Rimsy |
Firstly, no I've never been warned off by Phil. And do you really have the time to read through my posts from the last decade to try to get a handle on my character?
My point is it wouldn't matter a jot what I was to post. You've all made up your minds on climate change, you're not willing to listen to any other arguments.
For what it's worth, I don't disagree that it's real, just that the man made angle has been over egged, and the whole thing has been monetised. Alot of people have got very rich pushing the global warming agenda. For example, the green levies we are all forced to pay on our energy bills, which I think is around 15%. |
It's not really that "we've all made up our minds on climate change" old fruit, it's the overwhelming evidence of decades of work correlating man-made greenhouse gas emissions with increases of stored energy in the surface components of the Earth, and the consequences thereof.
It really is exactly as if you were trying to argue that the Earth is flat, and we should listen to your alternative opinion! (I hope you're not one of those too) It's dangerous to all of our futures and those of our children, that some people are still unable to face reality and get on board with the battle to try to limit the damage. | |
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| 35.1C in May on 09:16 - May 29 with 537 views | CoachRob |
| 35.1C in May on 08:18 - May 29 by NthQldITFC |
The thing is your 'doesn't agree' isn't about two different and potentially equally valid opinions in an argument.
One side is decades of scientific consensus, the conclusions of which are becoming clearer and clearer.
The other side is vested interests and people talking about 'opinions'.
Maybe you don't like 'science' and 'experts' but without them you'd be lucky if you were living in a cave and licking the walls for sustenance. |
It's weird though, I posted a peer-reviewed paper on here on the financial system that had a referee who worked at the Bank of England as a Senior Research Advisor and built the IMF macro model and yet there are people who have posted in this very thread who say they don't believe in that approach simply because it doesn't align with their political values, nothing to do with the actual paper, they never read them - they don't care about the evidence.
The poster Bluesmoke who asked for evidence of human-caused climate change and I gave them a paper, you can guarantee they wont read it or ask for help in how to understand it as it doesn't align with their political values. People appear to have stopped learning and instead have taken up ranting like some Fox News host. If you have a university nearby, have a stroll down there, sign up for a public event and engage with the evidence.
The weirdest flex I've encountered is that people who present peer-reviewed literature are now the one's that lack critical thinking skills and people who gather their entire understand of a topic from some unqualified talking head in the media are now the experts. |  |
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| 35.1C in May on 09:35 - May 29 with 502 views | positivity |
| 35.1C in May on 08:43 - May 29 by Rimsy |
Firstly, no I've never been warned off by Phil. And do you really have the time to read through my posts from the last decade to try to get a handle on my character?
My point is it wouldn't matter a jot what I was to post. You've all made up your minds on climate change, you're not willing to listen to any other arguments.
For what it's worth, I don't disagree that it's real, just that the man made angle has been over egged, and the whole thing has been monetised. Alot of people have got very rich pushing the global warming agenda. For example, the green levies we are all forced to pay on our energy bills, which I think is around 15%. |
who are these people who have got rich pushing a global warming "agenda" and how does their wealth compare to the money made by the fossil fuel companies?
if you ridiculously ignore the massive scientific consensus, the next most logical step is to follow the money which all points to the fossil fuel lobby |  |
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| 35.1C in May on 11:34 - May 29 with 365 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 35.1C in May on 08:43 - May 29 by Rimsy |
Firstly, no I've never been warned off by Phil. And do you really have the time to read through my posts from the last decade to try to get a handle on my character?
My point is it wouldn't matter a jot what I was to post. You've all made up your minds on climate change, you're not willing to listen to any other arguments.
For what it's worth, I don't disagree that it's real, just that the man made angle has been over egged, and the whole thing has been monetised. Alot of people have got very rich pushing the global warming agenda. For example, the green levies we are all forced to pay on our energy bills, which I think is around 15%. |
If we don't hear any arguments we can't be either willing or not willing to listen to them. And by arguments, I don't just mean ranting on the internet. For arguments to be robust they need evidence. |  |
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| 35.1C in May on 11:59 - May 29 with 338 views | iamatractorboy |
| 35.1C in May on 14:12 - May 27 by BlueSmoke |
How gravity works is a theory, not a fact.
Link to the evidence that human emissions are driving climate change please. |
You've just exposed your lack of scientific understanding with that one. A scientific theory is not the same as what everyday use of the word theory might suggest (the scientific equivalent is hypothesis). A scientific theory is far far stronger than that. | | | |
| 35.1C in May on 12:05 - May 29 with 315 views | eireblue |
| 35.1C in May on 08:43 - May 29 by Rimsy |
Firstly, no I've never been warned off by Phil. And do you really have the time to read through my posts from the last decade to try to get a handle on my character?
My point is it wouldn't matter a jot what I was to post. You've all made up your minds on climate change, you're not willing to listen to any other arguments.
For what it's worth, I don't disagree that it's real, just that the man made angle has been over egged, and the whole thing has been monetised. Alot of people have got very rich pushing the global warming agenda. For example, the green levies we are all forced to pay on our energy bills, which I think is around 15%. |
You haven’t made a coherent argument. That is still just a feels argument.
An actual scientific argument, would be, based on acknowledging possibilities and projections and likelihood of what could happen, the cost of that, and then compare that to the cost of mitigation.
Previous climate change events wiped out hundreds of entire species.
Can you make an argument, that the current cost of attempting mitigation, is higher than the future cost of mitigation?
Also, with respect to man made being over-egged.
All energy, on earth, either comes from the sun, or is basically tapping into geo-thermal.
Over the last 150 years, millions of years of stored solar energy has been released, and there has been an exponential increase in humans, and farmed mammals.
Why would you think that wouldn’t have a big effect?
The geologists view, by the way, is that external things like the earth wobbling around a bit, has very little impact on climate change events. What actually triggers climate change on earth, is predominately down to what happens on earth, bar the odd large meteor strike.
So if a large amount of energy, stored over a long period of time, is released in a short period of time, seems rather silly to discount that. |  | | |
| 35.1C in May on 12:17 - May 29 with 293 views | Dubtractor |
| 35.1C in May on 08:00 - May 29 by Rimsy |
You can't help yourselves can you. Carry on having digs at anyone that doesn't agree. |
Mate, you literally piled into this thread calling everyone gullible for swallowing the bs, and now you're getting precious that others push back a bit! |  |
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| 35.1C in May on 12:24 - May 29 with 269 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 35.1C in May on 08:43 - May 29 by Rimsy |
Firstly, no I've never been warned off by Phil. And do you really have the time to read through my posts from the last decade to try to get a handle on my character?
My point is it wouldn't matter a jot what I was to post. You've all made up your minds on climate change, you're not willing to listen to any other arguments.
For what it's worth, I don't disagree that it's real, just that the man made angle has been over egged, and the whole thing has been monetised. Alot of people have got very rich pushing the global warming agenda. For example, the green levies we are all forced to pay on our energy bills, which I think is around 15%. |
On the levies, our high energy costs are because our prices are set by the cost of wholesale gas. The issue isn’t pricing renewables higher to boost profits, it’s the exact opposite. Renewables are about half the price to produce compared to new gas infrastructure, but we’re not seeing that in our bills because of the stranglehold gas prices have. If we could get over ourselves (and the aggressive fossil fuel lobby!) and embrace the newer, cheaper renewables technology energy could be significantly cheaper for us (as in many other countries that have taken that route). I only say could be because the companies screwing us over with inflated gas prices would probably then screw us iver with inflated green energy prices too - then the problem is the energy market and profiteering, not that renewables are the wrong choice. |  |
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