| Controversial ? 21:14 - Jun 9 with 1778 views | cressi |
Is McKenna a elite manager or a top EFL manager a great manager in league one and the championship.
But after spending over a hundred million in the Premiership one home win all season and twenty two points all season. Is McKenna the right man if he stays and we go down without ever competing will McKenna be damaged and struggle to get another Premiership job. |  | | |  |
| Controversial ? on 21:28 - Jun 9 with 1580 views | Broadbent23 |
EFL Manager at present. He is yet to prove he can succeed in the Prem. It takes time, that why there ain't a lot of British managers doing well in the Prem. Fulham would be stupid to take on KMc with his current level, plus our £8m compo. It took KMc 6 months to prepare our club for a promotion push in the League one. If Fulham are in a relegation place in December he would be sacked. Just look how Spurs were last season. | |
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| Controversial ? on 22:17 - Jun 9 with 1496 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
After apologising for wanting him out this last season, you should probably keep your head down with such comments. TWTD never forgets! |  |
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| Controversial ? on 22:30 - Jun 9 with 1418 views | StokieBlue |
We should probably get rid as he doesn't score enough goals from central midfield.
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| Controversial ? on 22:31 - Jun 9 with 1412 views | jasondozzell |
He's a generational talent.
You will miss him when he's gone. |  | | |
| Controversial ? on 22:37 - Jun 9 with 1376 views | cressi |
| Controversial ? on 22:17 - Jun 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
After apologising for wanting him out this last season, you should probably keep your head down with such comments. TWTD never forgets! |
I am not a disciple like some I enjoyed the first two seasons more than the last two that's just been honest. I've seen good and bad over many yrs.
But McKenna is up there in our top 5 managers. | | | |
| Controversial ? on 22:40 - Jun 9 with 1331 views | MattinLondon |
Depends on what’s your definition of ‘elite manager’ is.
I think at the moment he’s a proven EFL manager with a track record of improving a lot of players that he has coached.
Currently that success hasn’t transferred to the PL but he’s still only 40.
I think he will become elite as in winning trophies but he’s not there yet. |  | | |
| Controversial ? on 23:10 - Jun 9 with 1273 views | baxterbasics |
Elite manager - not yet but he could get there. Hasn't fully had the chance to prove it.
You (and others) talk about millions spent with poor results - but the money wasn't much in PL terms, not when your starting point is a team still loaded with league 1 players. |  |
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| Controversial ? on 23:42 - Jun 9 with 1215 views | armchaircritic59 |
Well it's not an opinion, it's a fact, he's a top EFL manager, he's proved it twice. Yet to prove anything else but still young and relatively inexperienced. Time will tell. |  | | |
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| Controversial ? on 00:58 - Jun 10 with 1142 views | Olcol |
Sir Alf and Sir Bobby would have been sacked long before they came good with your analogy. KM deserves at least another go at keeping us in the EPL. The failure so far was with recruiting suitable players. Last time we were not ready this time we will be better but may still miss out on our targets as we are green in the overseas markets. | | | |
| Controversial ? on 01:23 - Jun 10 with 1116 views | Smoresy |
Doubt it will advance his career if he stays and we're relegated again. But if we spend 'over a hundred million" in the same manner that we did last time then it shouldn't be too problematic for him either, because we weren't close to assembling a squad that should have survived in 24/25. People within football would have seen that and they'd see it again if we don't show huge progress this summer.
Most managers pass through their careers without ever being trusted with a squad of PL players, so I can see why the Fulham job would appeal (much like Brighton and Palace did in 2024). His description of last season as the toughest of his career is perhaps fair indication that he isn't convinced our recruitment has made the essential strides forward to offer him a fair crack. | | | |
| Controversial ? on 07:06 - Jun 10 with 962 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Controversial ? on 22:37 - Jun 9 by cressi |
I am not a disciple like some I enjoyed the first two seasons more than the last two that's just been honest. I've seen good and bad over many yrs.
But McKenna is up there in our top 5 managers. |
Well apologies if every season isn't perfect!
He's young and hasn't actually been a manager that long, maybe give him a bit more time before writing him off as not elite. The last Prem season has the massive caveat of being there with quite a few of the League 1 team in it. That would be tough for anyone, let alone a relatively inexperienced manager.
You're a bit impatient, really, aren't you Cressers? You wanted him sacked last season and he went on to win promotion. That's probably enough evidence that you should give things a bit more time! | |
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| Controversial ? on 07:14 - Jun 10 with 945 views | cressi |
| Controversial ? on 07:06 - Jun 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well apologies if every season isn't perfect!
He's young and hasn't actually been a manager that long, maybe give him a bit more time before writing him off as not elite. The last Prem season has the massive caveat of being there with quite a few of the League 1 team in it. That would be tough for anyone, let alone a relatively inexperienced manager.
You're a bit impatient, really, aren't you Cressers? You wanted him sacked last season and he went on to win promotion. That's probably enough evidence that you should give things a bit more time! |
Flashing smile or a smiling assassin I'm not so sure constantly having a dig but water off a ducks back. See although we went up with the biggest budget
Personally and for many it was a hard watch. I also am not convinced McKenna is adaptable enough nothing to prove otherwise as of yet. This window and next seasons results will tell. That's if his still here. | | | |
| Controversial ? on 08:29 - Jun 10 with 779 views | Blue_Heath |
Only time will tell, form is temporary class is permanent as they say. If he's still here he needs to make a better fight of it this season no doubt and whilst many would look at it as failure I think a good go at staying up this season is probably the best we can hope for. Yes I know people will point to Sunderland/Leeds but I just don't see other than the 3 coming up any fodder this season barring some key injury losses to middling teams.
We barely have any premier league players whereas 'lesser' teams than us have Brazil internationals etc. | |
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| Controversial ? on 08:39 - Jun 10 with 753 views | cressi |
| Controversial ? on 08:29 - Jun 10 by Blue_Heath |
Only time will tell, form is temporary class is permanent as they say. If he's still here he needs to make a better fight of it this season no doubt and whilst many would look at it as failure I think a good go at staying up this season is probably the best we can hope for. Yes I know people will point to Sunderland/Leeds but I just don't see other than the 3 coming up any fodder this season barring some key injury losses to middling teams.
We barely have any premier league players whereas 'lesser' teams than us have Brazil internationals etc. |
I agree Blue Heath coming 17th and staying up first season would be a achievement. Getting relegated with 6 or 7 games left isn't even West Ham went into the last game with hope. | | | |
| Controversial ? on 10:16 - Jun 10 with 679 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Controversial ? on 07:14 - Jun 10 by cressi |
Flashing smile or a smiling assassin I'm not so sure constantly having a dig but water off a ducks back. See although we went up with the biggest budget
Personally and for many it was a hard watch. I also am not convinced McKenna is adaptable enough nothing to prove otherwise as of yet. This window and next seasons results will tell. That's if his still here. |
Smiling assassin is a bit harsh! If you start a thread on a public forum, then you have to expect people to reply... and not all of them will agree with you.
Biggest budget - but with that comes the biggest target on our backs too. We were the surprise packages before. | |
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| Controversial ? on 10:27 - Jun 10 with 635 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Controversial ? on 08:39 - Jun 10 by cressi |
I agree Blue Heath coming 17th and staying up first season would be a achievement. Getting relegated with 6 or 7 games left isn't even West Ham went into the last game with hope. |
West Ham had been established in the Prem for 15 years. We'd come up from League 1, and were massively unprepared for the Prem both on and off the field.
Sorry if I'm being an assassin but you need a bit of perspective! | |
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| Controversial ? on 10:31 - Jun 10 with 613 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
You can spend as much cash as you want. If your Premier League midfield options are Sam Morsy, Massimo Luongo, Jens Cajuste, Kalvin Phillips and Jack Taylor you could have Pep and still be in trouble. |  |
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| Controversial ? on 10:40 - Jun 10 with 588 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Controversial ? on 10:31 - Jun 10 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
You can spend as much cash as you want. If your Premier League midfield options are Sam Morsy, Massimo Luongo, Jens Cajuste, Kalvin Phillips and Jack Taylor you could have Pep and still be in trouble. |
Whilst that's true, Cajuste and Philips is hindsight. A Swedish international played at a top level in France and for Napoli and a big name England international from a big club, probably decent shouts that in a parallel universe might have helped significantly. Still needed more in there, clearly and it all went pretty badly, so no arguments overall, but perspective is important. |  | | |
| Controversial ? on 10:59 - Jun 10 with 519 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Controversial ? on 10:40 - Jun 10 by Axeldalai_lama |
Whilst that's true, Cajuste and Philips is hindsight. A Swedish international played at a top level in France and for Napoli and a big name England international from a big club, probably decent shouts that in a parallel universe might have helped significantly. Still needed more in there, clearly and it all went pretty badly, so no arguments overall, but perspective is important. |
Yeh I see the vision to an extent but even then Cajuste off the back of a dodgy medical and Phillips off the back of injuries and such little football partnered by 2 guys who were 30+.
Tbf Kalvin Phillips actually started ok for us iirc. Think he had a decent game against Fulham and maybe Brighton and then he ran out of battery. | |
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| Controversial ? on 11:14 - Jun 10 with 497 views | vapour_trail |
| Controversial ? on 07:06 - Jun 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well apologies if every season isn't perfect!
He's young and hasn't actually been a manager that long, maybe give him a bit more time before writing him off as not elite. The last Prem season has the massive caveat of being there with quite a few of the League 1 team in it. That would be tough for anyone, let alone a relatively inexperienced manager.
You're a bit impatient, really, aren't you Cressers? You wanted him sacked last season and he went on to win promotion. That's probably enough evidence that you should give things a bit more time! |
Saying he is not elite is not writing him off.
He is clearly not elite yet. He hasn’t proven anything at anywhere near the top level. He’s made an exceptional start to his managerial career and hopefully will go on to reach that level, and ideally get a little nearer to it whilst still here. |  |
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| Controversial ? on 11:22 - Jun 10 with 452 views | cressi |
| Controversial ? on 10:27 - Jun 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
West Ham had been established in the Prem for 15 years. We'd come up from League 1, and were massively unprepared for the Prem both on and off the field.
Sorry if I'm being an assassin but you need a bit of perspective! |
Leeds and Sunderland had not been there 15 yrs did reasonably well in the transfer market. Although I think Sunderland may have second season syndrome with the European games. | | | |
| Controversial ? on 13:54 - Jun 10 with 317 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Controversial ? on 11:22 - Jun 10 by cressi |
Leeds and Sunderland had not been there 15 yrs did reasonably well in the transfer market. Although I think Sunderland may have second season syndrome with the European games. |
I was responding to your West Ham point.
But anyway, Leeds and Sunderland have had many more years of Prem experience (and, crucially, the behind-the-scenes setups such as recruitment) than us. And they hadn't just come up from League 1.
Yes Sunderland had a recent stint in League 1 and did amazingly in their first season back in the Prem, but you could find a better version of anything in life if you look hard enough. Sunderland's rise is a bit of an outlier, and a bit harsh to use as a stick to beat McKenna. | |
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| Controversial ? on 13:57 - Jun 10 with 301 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Controversial ? on 11:14 - Jun 10 by vapour_trail |
Saying he is not elite is not writing him off.
He is clearly not elite yet. He hasn’t proven anything at anywhere near the top level. He’s made an exceptional start to his managerial career and hopefully will go on to reach that level, and ideally get a little nearer to it whilst still here. |
I think the inference from Cressi's OP is that McKenna isn't elite and nor will he be (hence he's wondering if he's the right man to take us forward, and also called for his sacking last season).
I don't think anyone's suggested he is elite yet. | |
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| Controversial ? on 14:07 - Jun 10 with 270 views | jas0999 |
He’s a very good head coach and has done extremely well for us, but still has to prove himself at PL level. There can be no doubting that. If he stays with us - which I hope he does - there can be no excuses this time round in regards to recruitment and performances. And, no, that doesn’t mean finish top half of the table, but must do better than last time. One home win just wouldn’t be acceptable (in my opinion). | | | |
| Controversial ? on 14:07 - Jun 10 with 270 views | cressi |
| Controversial ? on 13:57 - Jun 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think the inference from Cressi's OP is that McKenna isn't elite and nor will he be (hence he's wondering if he's the right man to take us forward, and also called for his sacking last season).
I don't think anyone's suggested he is elite yet. |
I don't think I said the wors sack I believe I questioned if he could things right also questioned if he has a plan B and a different way of winning if his first idea in the game can he change formula whilst game been played. Also will he get recruitment right I'm still not sure or convinced. | | | |
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