| Lack of decent managers at present 16:59 - Jun 17 with 1368 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
I'm not convinced by any of the managers that are currently available and being mooted.
It's terrible timing with so many involved at the World Cup, and being ruled out temporarily for various reasons.
I'm beginning to wonder if we would be best to appoint an interim manager or let Martyn Pert take charge for now and wait to see if better candidates come available when the WC is over. [Post edited 17 Jun 16:59]
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:57 - Jun 17 with 273 views | IndependentlyBlue |
There are lots of managers available, just that the press has gone with the usual suspects. Thinking back to when KMK was announced to a resounding chorus of ‘Who’, there had been many names mooted by the press then, who got it wrong. We may well be surprised again when the big reveal comes |  |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:59 - Jun 17 with 269 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:57 - Jun 17 by IndependentlyBlue |
There are lots of managers available, just that the press has gone with the usual suspects. Thinking back to when KMK was announced to a resounding chorus of ‘Who’, there had been many names mooted by the press then, who got it wrong. We may well be surprised again when the big reveal comes |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 18:41 - Jun 17 with 196 views | Hermann_eats_puffin |
I've found it interesting following stories relating to Hearts search for a new manager mainly because it seems to be being driven by Brighton's Tony Bloom and Jamestown Analytics and Tony Bloom is pretty good at picking managers.
But on the topic of other clubs and perspectives of whether the bookies favourite gets the job or whether a name comes out of nowhere this question has also been discussed amongst Hearts fans.
On page 57 of this forum thread a Hearts fans asks Brighton's fans opinions on this question:-
"To any Brighton fans looking in, when changing managers did you normally get a couple of names mentioned before appointing one of them, or was someone appointed without any prior knowledge? just curious."
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk
To which a Brighton fan replies on page 60:-
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk
The Brighton fan says:-
"It’s quite hard to remember timelines and sequence of events.
My muddled thoughts for what they are worth…..
Brighton leak rumours far less than most clubs and any snippets of information that do surface usually come from an agent trying to manipulate a situation to get a better deal for their client.
I know the question was about appointments being made, but I’ll also mention about managers leaving.
Gus Poyet, after missing out in the Play-offs, made a statement via the media about hitting a glass ceiling and needing more investment. He was sacked soon after.
Chris Hughton was popular with the fans for getting us promoted with flair in the Championship, and then keeping us up in the Premier League with some pragmatic (but very boring) football. After an end of season lap of honour getting applause from the fans he was soon sacked, the next day I think.
Graham Potter, was given lots of time to develop a style of play that was mainly during Covid in front of empty stadiums. He went a full calendar year without a home win until we eventually started winning. At that point Chelsea came in for him.
Brighton agreed to release Potter but had cleverly previously extended his contract and therefore received about £22 million in compensation.
Robert De Zerbi was golden boll**ks and played the most exciting football ever witnessed at Brighton and got us to the Europa League where we won our group that included Ajax, Marseille and AEK Athens. We then lost to Roma in the knockout round.
At the end of his season RDZ also started making noises about needing more investment.
Very shortly after several of these negative comments about a lack of investment, he too was released by mutual consent.
Coming back to the original question……
I don’t recall Chris Hughton being largely mentioned before being appointed.
Graham Potter had done well in Sweden and had moved to Swansea. He was heavily linked with Brighton and became the bookies favourite for several days before being confirmed to join them.
De Zerbi was one of about 3 possible candidates mentioned before being appointed, Brighton always said he was first choice but there was also a Scandinavian manager stronger linked. When he was announced the news came out very quickly and decisively.
Fabian Hurzeler was the appointment that caught most fans out. All the rumours were mentioning several other possible managers. Again, the announcement surprised a lot of pundits, particularly as he was only 31 and the highest level he had coached in was the German Second Division.
(*All of the above is from my dodgy memory, so I wouldn’t treat it as fact)
What’s going to happen with Hearts? Like you, I don’t have a clue. Anyone who leaks any news needs to be very nervous and to start polishing up their CV.
My guess is it will be a young gun from Europe who speaks fluent English and hasn’t been linked with many clubs previously.
It will be an exciting appointment, they will play attractive football.
They will also be clearly told that a major part of their job is developing players to sell them.
A lot of signing won’t work out, and it will be easy to criticise.
It’s almost a bit like investing in stocks and shares. We all need to take a long term view." |  | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 18:42 - Jun 17 with 191 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:24 - Jun 17 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Which WC managers are you waiting for? |
not necessarily managers of teams playing at the World Cup. There's just nothing much doing because everyone is focussed on the WC for one thing. Another is potential recruits like Knutsen with his surgery, Frank taking career break, others doing commentary and punditry. It's just the worst time with so many out of the frame.
I'm in favour of getting a youngish (i.e. 40s) manager from Europe who has good player links on the continent, hopefully with some experience of playing in European competitions. Personal qualities really important - no Tonda Eckerts or Brendan Rogers types. | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 18:58 - Jun 17 with 160 views | MK1 |
Who from those at the World Cup do you think would be better and willing? |  |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:00 - Jun 17 with 159 views | Simonds92 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:41 - Jun 17 by Tampa_Florida_Blue |
Before KmC stepped down and the Fulham job was being spoken about, I had one manger in mind to replace him and it still not changed. Frank. He done wonders in bringing in unknown players and building a strong team. I still think he is my choice, even though rumors are he needs a break. I still think offered the right job he would take it. Let him build his own team. Sorry I not seen anyone named who fits all needed qualities. |
He came out and said this to effectively rule himself out of the Fulham job. A more established relatively comfortable Premier League job.
If you think he's suddenly going to change his mind and get involved in a perceived relegation battle, you're pissing in the wind. |  | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:10 - Jun 17 with 145 views | MK1 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:38 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
Who is better is an unknown or vaguely known foreign manager with talent. it's not our job to know the names of those people, it's Mark Ashton's. That's why EPL clubs go for them - because the financial muscle allows us to attract them and the list of managers available who you know have all been sacked and are by definition underwhelming. |
Why do they have to be foreign? Why can't they be British or managed in Britain?
I don't understand the clammer for a foreign unknown manager. I'm not saying I wouldn't support it, but struggling with the constant calls for an unknown foreign manager. | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:20 - Jun 17 with 137 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 18:58 - Jun 17 by MK1 |
Who from those at the World Cup do you think would be better and willing? |
I never said simply from managers at the world cup. | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:22 - Jun 17 with 133 views | Simonds92 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:10 - Jun 17 by MK1 |
Why do they have to be foreign? Why can't they be British or managed in Britain?
I don't understand the clammer for a foreign unknown manager. I'm not saying I wouldn't support it, but struggling with the constant calls for an unknown foreign manager. |
Because the options available in this country are absolutely dire. | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:26 - Jun 17 with 126 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:10 - Jun 17 by MK1 |
Why do they have to be foreign? Why can't they be British or managed in Britain?
I don't understand the clammer for a foreign unknown manager. I'm not saying I wouldn't support it, but struggling with the constant calls for an unknown foreign manager. |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:27 - Jun 17 with 123 views | andyblue231 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:10 - Jun 17 by MK1 |
Why do they have to be foreign? Why can't they be British or managed in Britain?
I don't understand the clammer for a foreign unknown manager. I'm not saying I wouldn't support it, but struggling with the constant calls for an unknown foreign manager. |
Foreign / European is a much bigger pool than British to choose from.
And historically their coaching has been streets ahead.
I’m Perfectly happy with a talented British coach from under the radar but there’s just less of them.
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:29 - Jun 17 with 118 views | Nutkins_Return |
Seems to be trendy to rubbish some very decent managers. There are tons of super talented managers that people on here won't know but are well know In the game and we could attract now we are in the prem.
But on the managers listed some are getting given a bad right up for little reason.
O'Neil is a classic example. If you take the time to listen to him talk about football and the game he's engaging and he absolutely knows his stuff. He's an up and coming manager who did a brilliant job with Bournemouth when rock bottom. Did well with Wolves before it went wrong in his next season. Doing well now. It's Rubbish fan talk to say he's no good.
All the talk with Ole is lazy as well. I've heard "his only good job was united" and such. I've said it before he did and amazing job with Molde who had never won a title and he went in and took them back to back. I'd actually argue people would be more excited about him if he wasn't who he was and we were taking him straight from Molde. Look at his stats. He's a consistently 50-60% win man ore higher in some cases. Basket case Cardiff was his one real blemish and we are not a basket case club. Listen to players talk about him. He's not the quiet shy time he seems at all. He is demanding if his players. It's laughable that a guy who had 2nd and 3rd place prem finishes and a penalty shoot out from a Europa Cup title is not good enough for us. He has a really really good CV.
Whatever happens we are up against it next season. The prem is brutal. Let's see who we get as it could be anyone still. | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:29 - Jun 17 with 113 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:27 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
Foreign / European is a much bigger pool than British to choose from.
And historically their coaching has been streets ahead.
I’m Perfectly happy with a talented British coach from under the radar but there’s just less of them.
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and they will have more links to players in continental leagues, who are better value than players already plying their trade in England. | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:33 - Jun 17 with 107 views | andyblue231 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:29 - Jun 17 by Nutkins_Return |
Seems to be trendy to rubbish some very decent managers. There are tons of super talented managers that people on here won't know but are well know In the game and we could attract now we are in the prem.
But on the managers listed some are getting given a bad right up for little reason.
O'Neil is a classic example. If you take the time to listen to him talk about football and the game he's engaging and he absolutely knows his stuff. He's an up and coming manager who did a brilliant job with Bournemouth when rock bottom. Did well with Wolves before it went wrong in his next season. Doing well now. It's Rubbish fan talk to say he's no good.
All the talk with Ole is lazy as well. I've heard "his only good job was united" and such. I've said it before he did and amazing job with Molde who had never won a title and he went in and took them back to back. I'd actually argue people would be more excited about him if he wasn't who he was and we were taking him straight from Molde. Look at his stats. He's a consistently 50-60% win man ore higher in some cases. Basket case Cardiff was his one real blemish and we are not a basket case club. Listen to players talk about him. He's not the quiet shy time he seems at all. He is demanding if his players. It's laughable that a guy who had 2nd and 3rd place prem finishes and a penalty shoot out from a Europa Cup title is not good enough for us. He has a really really good CV.
Whatever happens we are up against it next season. The prem is brutal. Let's see who we get as it could be anyone still. |
The credit GON gets from that one SS appearance where he “spoke well” is crazy. Best booking his agent ever made.
He's been sacked from both his jobs and when a Wolves return was mooted there was almost rioting in the street. They loathe him.
He has an incredibly low ceiling. | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:36 - Jun 17 with 99 views | tetchris |
We don’t actually know who is on MA’s radar nor do we know who might have registered their interest in the job.
KM wasn’t a name mentioned or connected with the job when PC got sacked.
We might be surprised again, only time will tell. | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 21:09 - Jun 17 with 34 views | Hermann_eats_puffin |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 19:10 - Jun 17 by MK1 |
Why do they have to be foreign? Why can't they be British or managed in Britain?
I don't understand the clammer for a foreign unknown manager. I'm not saying I wouldn't support it, but struggling with the constant calls for an unknown foreign manager. |
I'm not saying it's the perfect idea or it's going to work out if we appoint a foreign manager but my logic for wanting one goes like this.
Whilst I appreciate that there is recency bias to this if we look at the two clubs who were promoted and survived last season that was Sunderland and Leeds both of whom have foreign managers.
And I think it's fairly widely accepted that as a promoted Championship team in order to survive the first season in the PL you have to make pretty extensive player recruitment and you have to get most of your signings right.
Now I think it's been a fairly common thought amongst fans, and to be honest well founded criticism of Town,that our scouting network and recruitment team is not elite and is lagging behind other teams. Hopefully that will improve in the future!
But if we take a view of say we need 7-11 players signings this summer if we look to recruit exclusively in the UK and if we say seek to buy players who are beer than what we have (not just squad fillers) pretty much anytime you try to buy a decent British based player these days it'll cost you between say £15m-£30m. If you averaged that out to say £22.5m per player with agents fees, signing on fees etc. I don't think we can afford say ten players at an average of £22.5m because that would be £225m and I don't think we'll have that much available just for transfer fees.
But if you buy from the continent as Sunderland did superbly last summer and just as an example starting at the back in goal take their keeper who they signed for about £11m and is not quoted to be interesting other teams at a valuation of £60m so I think it's fairly well accepted that there is better value in buying players from abroad.
So following the above if we still have doubts about our scouting & player recruitment department I'd be happy with a foreign manager such as Leeds have with Farke and Sunderland have with Régis Le Bris because they are much more likely to have contacts with players and agents etc. as well as a better knowledge of potential targets in Europe who will be much better value than can be found in England.
Therefore my logic is if we accept that we need to recruit extensively to stay up and if you accept that there is better value to be had abroad I think that having a foreign manager increases your chances of recruting the players that we need.
And obviously said foreign manager whoever they might be has to be good as well! And yes I do want the moon on a stick. | | | |
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