| Lack of decent managers at present 16:59 - Jun 17 with 1441 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
I'm not convinced by any of the managers that are currently available and being mooted.
It's terrible timing with so many involved at the World Cup, and being ruled out temporarily for various reasons.
I'm beginning to wonder if we would be best to appoint an interim manager or let Martyn Pert take charge for now and wait to see if better candidates come available when the WC is over. [Post edited 17 Jun 16:59]
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:13 - Jun 17 with 1076 views | franz_tyson |
When Norwich were looking at new managers in - when what was it - November.... a lot of the same names were cropping up. And they were a relegation threatened Championship side.
I don't see with the names circulating that we've got a much better pool of cantidates than they had. We're newly promoted to the PL with seemingly good owners and a ( former) Championship CEO of the Year .... surely we can attract better options?
We seem to be OK with settling for 4th from bottom with manager's that have been kicked around a little too much. |  | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:15 - Jun 17 with 1051 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Given our prospects are going to depend to a large extent on our recruitment I think that needs to be a big factor when considering who comes in, and not getting too far behind the 8 ball in that respect. Issue with an interim manager is who is signing off transfers? who are we signing them for? what if a new manager has different ideas?
Best thing we can do is commit to a new gaffer pretty quickly, let them form their opinions on what we've got and what we need, and back them in this window with a war chest. |  | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:15 - Jun 17 with 1050 views | dirtyboy |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:13 - Jun 17 by franz_tyson |
When Norwich were looking at new managers in - when what was it - November.... a lot of the same names were cropping up. And they were a relegation threatened Championship side.
I don't see with the names circulating that we've got a much better pool of cantidates than they had. We're newly promoted to the PL with seemingly good owners and a ( former) Championship CEO of the Year .... surely we can attract better options?
We seem to be OK with settling for 4th from bottom with manager's that have been kicked around a little too much. |
Who's better?
The only ones who could genuinely be seen as 'better' are in jobs at decent clubs or at the world cup who we can't wait for, even more risk waiting for a manager than getting a lesser one (perceived) and give them a decent pre-season. |  | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:24 - Jun 17 with 999 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Which WC managers are you waiting for? |  |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:27 - Jun 17 with 971 views | HighgateBlue |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:13 - Jun 17 by franz_tyson |
When Norwich were looking at new managers in - when what was it - November.... a lot of the same names were cropping up. And they were a relegation threatened Championship side.
I don't see with the names circulating that we've got a much better pool of cantidates than they had. We're newly promoted to the PL with seemingly good owners and a ( former) Championship CEO of the Year .... surely we can attract better options?
We seem to be OK with settling for 4th from bottom with manager's that have been kicked around a little too much. |
I do agree that we should be able to attract higher calibre candidates than Norwich (Especially when they were relegation threatened).
However, first I don't know whom we're actually targeting. Second, Norwich appointed an excellent manager. And third, it's neither ITFC nor Norwich's fault who they get linked to.
But in any event, surely 4th from bottom would be an amazing achievement, and I would certainly settle for that, whether it happens under Pep, Warnock, or some bloke called Paul. |  | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:28 - Jun 17 with 968 views | andyblue231 |
There have been a steady stream of managers from Europe appointed to prem clubs over the last five years like Iraola, Glasner, Hurzeler, Sage, De Zerbi, Pereira.
There''s no way that stream has suddenly dried up. But we've ruled them out because we don't think that a manager with no experience can manage a newly promoted EPL club. Despite the fact that managers from Europe come in all the time and do well without prior experience.
We have a made a big judgment call there that to me doesn't seem to be evidence based. Do we have a list of European managers who've been at new EPL clubs who have tanked? On the contrary the favourite for the job is someone who has literally failed to keep a smaller club up. It's a selective logic that I think reflects people's priors rather than reality.
Without evidence it's a gut call and it seems to be ruling out a huge number of options. I don't quite know why we are limiting ourselves. [Post edited 17 Jun 17:30]
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:31 - Jun 17 with 923 views | Vic |
whats actually wrong with Rogers or OGS?
what have they done so badly that they are not good enough for us? Esp Rodgers.
I hear the comments about not getting our pulse racing - but genuine question (and ive asked it before) who would? An little known assistant maybe? But I think that's only because thats what KM was and he did so well. Do we really trust MA to unearth another like him? It would surely be a monumental gamble as a newly promoted prem club. |  |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:32 - Jun 17 with 923 views | TractorJack |
I think it's the same with player recruitment. There's good potential out there but you have to know where to look and also get a bit lucky. |  | | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:33 - Jun 17 with 912 views | andyblue231 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:31 - Jun 17 by Vic |
whats actually wrong with Rogers or OGS?
what have they done so badly that they are not good enough for us? Esp Rodgers.
I hear the comments about not getting our pulse racing - but genuine question (and ive asked it before) who would? An little known assistant maybe? But I think that's only because thats what KM was and he did so well. Do we really trust MA to unearth another like him? It would surely be a monumental gamble as a newly promoted prem club. |
He got relegated at the only comparable club he managed then got sacked in the championship. [Post edited 17 Jun 17:33]
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:34 - Jun 17 with 891 views | Simonds92 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:15 - Jun 17 by dirtyboy |
Who's better?
The only ones who could genuinely be seen as 'better' are in jobs at decent clubs or at the world cup who we can't wait for, even more risk waiting for a manager than getting a lesser one (perceived) and give them a decent pre-season. |
The odds for the next Southampton manager are more inspiring than our list of names in the betting! | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:36 - Jun 17 with 882 views | dirtyboy |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:24 - Jun 17 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Which WC managers are you waiting for? |
I'm referring more to coaches in WC set ups, not necessarily National Team managers, sorry.
That's not to say some WC managers who are decent wouldn't have been possible albeit very unlikely. Poch, Potter, Lopetegui? I can't think of anyone else lol! | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:38 - Jun 17 with 863 views | andyblue231 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:15 - Jun 17 by dirtyboy |
Who's better?
The only ones who could genuinely be seen as 'better' are in jobs at decent clubs or at the world cup who we can't wait for, even more risk waiting for a manager than getting a lesser one (perceived) and give them a decent pre-season. |
Who is better is an unknown or vaguely known foreign manager with talent. it's not our job to know the names of those people, it's Mark Ashton's. That's why EPL clubs go for them - because the financial muscle allows us to attract them and the list of managers available who you know have all been sacked and are by definition underwhelming. | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:38 - Jun 17 with 852 views | Vic |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:33 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
He got relegated at the only comparable club he managed then got sacked in the championship. [Post edited 17 Jun 17:33]
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Apart from Vincent Tam what else do we know about the reasons behind that? The evidence would suggest that it was a poorly run club with an egotistical owner. Did they have the backroom support staff that we have, the experienced coaches, etc? I don't know the answer, but to hold that one failure against him seems a bit harsh to me when he has done so well elsewhere.
But supposing youre right about OGS (and you may well be) what about Rodgers? | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:39 - Jun 17 with 859 views | dirtyboy |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:33 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
He got relegated at the only comparable club he managed then got sacked in the championship. [Post edited 17 Jun 17:33]
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As someone had said though, had he been at the club when they got promoted, he may have had more time, Cardiff owner Ricky Tan was a nut case for one, as is the Besiktas owner.
I suspect McKenna would have been sacked by a great number of owners had he been at other clubs and not Ipswich Town. | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:40 - Jun 17 with 844 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:34 - Jun 17 by Simonds92 |
The odds for the next Southampton manager are more inspiring than our list of names in the betting! |
James Bond? | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:40 - Jun 17 with 842 views | Hermann_eats_puffin |
Following the message above if we're talking getting managers in from Europe, which is an idea I like because I think we need to be shopping for players in Europe due to the value being much better than in the UK which helps when you need say 7-11 players in one summer, then I like the sound of this guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Dirk Schreuder is hopefully not averse to coming to the UK having in the past played a couple of games for Stoke and having a brief spell as part of the management team with Edgar Davids at Barnet.
He's at a slightly smaller less fashionable club in the Netherlands compared to the big name clubs so that perhaps fits in with managing a team like Town in the PL. Against expectations he got NEC to finish third in the Dutch top flight next season. Although that could be a stumbling block to trying to get him because he's in work and has Champions League qualifier matches to look forwards to this season with NEC.
His win percentage at the clubs he's managed is consistently good!
According to Wikipedia his win percentages as manager are VV Katwijk (games = 113 win percentage = 61.06%), PEC Zwolle (g = 64 wp = 54.69%), Castellón (g = 68 wp = 54.41%) and NEC (g = 41 wp = 51.22%).
His name has been linked with the Hearts job where Brighton's Tony Bloom and his Jamestown Analytics seemingly have a big part to play in influencing who is the next Hearts manager and Brighton are pretty good at recruitment whether that be players or managers and so if Tony Bloom is onto him and rates him then I'd consider that a good thing.
If we want to consider an out of work manager then there is Sébastien Pocognoli who has also been linked with the Hearts job and being a name in the frame due to Tony Bloom and Jamestown.
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:41 - Jun 17 with 838 views | Tampa_Florida_Blue |
Before KmC stepped down and the Fulham job was being spoken about, I had one manger in mind to replace him and it still not changed. Frank. He done wonders in bringing in unknown players and building a strong team. I still think he is my choice, even though rumors are he needs a break. I still think offered the right job he would take it. Let him build his own team. Sorry I not seen anyone named who fits all needed qualities. |  | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:43 - Jun 17 with 823 views | andyblue231 |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:38 - Jun 17 by Vic |
Apart from Vincent Tam what else do we know about the reasons behind that? The evidence would suggest that it was a poorly run club with an egotistical owner. Did they have the backroom support staff that we have, the experienced coaches, etc? I don't know the answer, but to hold that one failure against him seems a bit harsh to me when he has done so well elsewhere.
But supposing youre right about OGS (and you may well be) what about Rodgers? |
Cardiff seemed like a difficult club ti manage for sure. But it is a useful data point that we can't really ignore. Equally I could throw qualifications at the clubs he;'s dine OK at - man united he had great coaches and better players than most other teams, Norway is Norway.
Rogers is a better manager. I'm just not sure he would come back for this job and whether his heart would massively be in it. He left on terrible terms with Celtic and Leicester which again, is not great. | | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:43 - Jun 17 with 817 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:38 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
Who is better is an unknown or vaguely known foreign manager with talent. it's not our job to know the names of those people, it's Mark Ashton's. That's why EPL clubs go for them - because the financial muscle allows us to attract them and the list of managers available who you know have all been sacked and are by definition underwhelming. |
You’re going to struggle to find a manager who’s been in the game any length of time and not been sacked. It’s a pretty exclusive club of mostly proven CL-level managers. For every 10 unknown only a couple will have any potential. But I agree it’s not down to any one of us to be making suggestions. This is where Ashton earns his money. It’s the most important decision in the club after the appointment of the main decision maker(s), so owner/CEO/chairman, etc. |  |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:48 - Jun 17 with 794 views | BloomBlue |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:28 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
There have been a steady stream of managers from Europe appointed to prem clubs over the last five years like Iraola, Glasner, Hurzeler, Sage, De Zerbi, Pereira.
There''s no way that stream has suddenly dried up. But we've ruled them out because we don't think that a manager with no experience can manage a newly promoted EPL club. Despite the fact that managers from Europe come in all the time and do well without prior experience.
We have a made a big judgment call there that to me doesn't seem to be evidence based. Do we have a list of European managers who've been at new EPL clubs who have tanked? On the contrary the favourite for the job is someone who has literally failed to keep a smaller club up. It's a selective logic that I think reflects people's priors rather than reality.
Without evidence it's a gut call and it seems to be ruling out a huge number of options. I don't quite know why we are limiting ourselves. [Post edited 17 Jun 17:30]
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But how many of those managers moved to teams promoted that season to the PL?
Sage for example is moving to a club that has just won a European trophy and an established PL team. Palace struggled when first promoted and named Pullis as manager with the objective of avoiding relegation. |  | | |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:49 - Jun 17 with 790 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:31 - Jun 17 by Vic |
whats actually wrong with Rogers or OGS?
what have they done so badly that they are not good enough for us? Esp Rodgers.
I hear the comments about not getting our pulse racing - but genuine question (and ive asked it before) who would? An little known assistant maybe? But I think that's only because thats what KM was and he did so well. Do we really trust MA to unearth another like him? It would surely be a monumental gamble as a newly promoted prem club. |
People just pick and choose a narrative to suit their bias on these ones.
I think either would be fine. | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:51 - Jun 17 with 780 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:33 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
He got relegated at the only comparable club he managed then got sacked in the championship. [Post edited 17 Jun 17:33]
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KM is the worst ever top flight manager in the history of ITFC.
....but we all know there is more context to that statement. As there will be with OGS time at Cardiff. [Post edited 17 Jun 17:58]
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:55 - Jun 17 with 737 views | NedPlimpton |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:41 - Jun 17 by Tampa_Florida_Blue |
Before KmC stepped down and the Fulham job was being spoken about, I had one manger in mind to replace him and it still not changed. Frank. He done wonders in bringing in unknown players and building a strong team. I still think he is my choice, even though rumors are he needs a break. I still think offered the right job he would take it. Let him build his own team. Sorry I not seen anyone named who fits all needed qualities. |
It's not a rumour that he needs a break, he literally released a statement through the LMA saying he won't be taking a new job this summer!
https://www.leaguemanagers.com |  | | |
| Its not a rumour that Frank wants a break. It was his own factual statement: on 17:56 - Jun 17 with 728 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:41 - Jun 17 by Tampa_Florida_Blue |
Before KmC stepped down and the Fulham job was being spoken about, I had one manger in mind to replace him and it still not changed. Frank. He done wonders in bringing in unknown players and building a strong team. I still think he is my choice, even though rumors are he needs a break. I still think offered the right job he would take it. Let him build his own team. Sorry I not seen anyone named who fits all needed qualities. |
https://www.leaguemanagers.com
He wont be short of offers. | |
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| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:56 - Jun 17 with 724 views | NedPlimpton |
| Lack of decent managers at present on 17:13 - Jun 17 by franz_tyson |
When Norwich were looking at new managers in - when what was it - November.... a lot of the same names were cropping up. And they were a relegation threatened Championship side.
I don't see with the names circulating that we've got a much better pool of cantidates than they had. We're newly promoted to the PL with seemingly good owners and a ( former) Championship CEO of the Year .... surely we can attract better options?
We seem to be OK with settling for 4th from bottom with manager's that have been kicked around a little too much. |
Would bite your hand off for 4th bottom. With or without McKenna! | | | |
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