| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians 10:40 - Jun 22 with 1800 views | ElderGrizzly |
They guy is literally a professional politician, serving as an MEP and MP and leader of various political parties longer than the majority of those currently in parliament.
There won't be a General Election until 2029 and he knows that in all likelihood is way too late for him and Reform.
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| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:53 - Jun 22 with 469 views | bsw72 |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:13 - Jun 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Point of order. Only the party holding the seat can lose an election. The outcome is either hold for the sitting party or win for any of the opposing candidates.
So the last 4 were Green Win, Labour Hold, SNP Hold and Tory Win. |
Point of order 2: In a first-past-the-post system every candidate except the winner loses, including the incumbent if they finish second or lower.
Framing it as only the sitting party being capable of losing is a rhetorical construction rather than a factual one, you are simply redefining losing as "not holding" to make the statement sound clever.
The more precise formulation is that there is one winner and everyone else loses, regardless of whether they were the previous holder or a challenger.
An incumbent finishing second has lost just as definitively as a challenger finishing last. The seat changes hands as the consequence of that loss, but the loss itself is not unique to the incumbent. |  | | |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:53 - Jun 22 with 467 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:08 - Jun 22 by GlasgowBlue |
In fairness the majority of his dodgy income doesn’t come from being a professional political. |
What was the £5million for then? It was a political payment hoping to influence crypto policy.
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| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:53 - Jun 22 with 469 views | Illinoisblue |
This from Farage is elite level world class bantz:
To men like Burnham, democracy is only a means to an end, to be discarded as soon as it is inconvenient for his personal ambitions.
That is not what I stand for, and it’s not a kind of politics I could ever support. |  |
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| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:03 - Jun 22 with 448 views | bsw72 |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:53 - Jun 22 by ElderGrizzly |
What was the £5million for then? It was a political payment hoping to influence crypto policy.
https://www.theguardian.com/po |
He's explained this, and you are being unfair.
That was to pay for his security, no, wait, it was a thank you for Brexit, oh, hang on, nope my bad, was just an unconditional gift.
Why can't people trust what he tells us, it's not as if he has ever given us a reason not to trust him? | | | |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:17 - Jun 22 with 416 views | tonybied |
Personally, I think I'd prefer all MPs to be professional, as opposed to unprofessional! |  | | |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:18 - Jun 22 with 417 views | eireblue |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:08 - Jun 22 by GavTWTD |
Forgetting about the personalities involved, there is something about having politicians that have worked in various industries for valuable perspective, but you need a mix of everything to make it all work. No intention of reading what he's said, however, just speculating. |
Experts, yes absolutely, very valuable.
Of course some politicians and specific parties, ignore experts.
I do also think there is a basic play that some politicians use incorrectly.
You may need experienced business people and entrepreneurs, that help policy with business.
But providing a government service, is not the same as running a business.
Simple examples, you don’t want an efficient Army, A&E department, Fire service, Police force.
You want an effective one. E.g. an efficient army is the smallest possible army, needed to fight the current war.
Paying for effectiveness is different than running a business efficiently to maximise profit. I would argue it is harder to run an effective government service, than an efficient business.
But yeah, agree that level of knowledge and capability doesn’t come from a politics degree, and being an advisor on soundbites. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:35]
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| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:28 - Jun 22 with 405 views | Guthrum |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:14 - Jun 22 by homer_123 |
I'd like to get back to having politicians that work in the interests of the people and be far, far less self-serving. |
Unfortunately, there has never been a time when they predominated.
Tho there have been good examples and, historically, there was at times (e.g. the reforming era of the extended 19th century, or the aftermath of the Great Depression and WWII) a greater overall sense of social responsibility. |  |
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| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:50 - Jun 22 with 375 views | homer_123 |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:28 - Jun 22 by Guthrum |
Unfortunately, there has never been a time when they predominated.
Tho there have been good examples and, historically, there was at times (e.g. the reforming era of the extended 19th century, or the aftermath of the Great Depression and WWII) a greater overall sense of social responsibility. |
Indeed. Though, I think it is right to say, that we seem to be in an era where 'self-serving' is both more obvious, open and more rampant than at other times.
Historically, I feel there have been, at least, politicians across all parties that were more mindful of serving the interests and needs of the people. Obviously there still are but they seem few and far between. |  |
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| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 13:00 - Jun 22 with 345 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 11:53 - Jun 22 by Illinoisblue |
This from Farage is elite level world class bantz:
To men like Burnham, democracy is only a means to an end, to be discarded as soon as it is inconvenient for his personal ambitions.
That is not what I stand for, and it’s not a kind of politics I could ever support. |
Morphing into Temu Trump more every day | | | |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 13:16 - Jun 22 with 324 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:28 - Jun 22 by Guthrum |
Unfortunately, there has never been a time when they predominated.
Tho there have been good examples and, historically, there was at times (e.g. the reforming era of the extended 19th century, or the aftermath of the Great Depression and WWII) a greater overall sense of social responsibility. |
I was taught at school, mid-70s, that a government should be elected by a majority, but govern with the interests of the minority in mind.
Over that 50 years, that first became "govern in the interests of our voters", Thatcher / Blair. Then it became "govern in the interests of our Party members" (May, and half of Boris). Then it became "govern in the interests of our paymasters" second half of Boris, plus Truss, plus Sunak). You could argue that 1970s Labour was utterly in hock to the unions, but at least they represented millions of workers, rather than singles of billionaires. |  | | |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 13:26 - Jun 22 with 315 views | Guthrum |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:50 - Jun 22 by homer_123 |
Indeed. Though, I think it is right to say, that we seem to be in an era where 'self-serving' is both more obvious, open and more rampant than at other times.
Historically, I feel there have been, at least, politicians across all parties that were more mindful of serving the interests and needs of the people. Obviously there still are but they seem few and far between. |
A lot of the social responsibility in the 19th century came from evangelical movements within the church (both CofE and non-conformist), which stressed looking after the less fortunate. Unfortunately the evangelicalism presently coming across from the USA is more centred upon a fierce social conservatism and a worship of wealth*.
I'm not saying that is the only, or even most significant, possible motivation for public service. But it is one less driver for social conscience which previously existed. One thing less to stand against the greed is good mentality feeding off the donations stream, seeking to turn the UK's political system into a replica of the US bought-and-paid-for one.
* The Prosperity Gospel, originally a teaching about the alleviation of poverty and having money for good works, has been twisted into a veneration of money. Not helped by a generation of pastors who have accumulated - and flaunted - the trappings of wealth, while using that to buy into influential political circles. | |
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| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 13:32 - Jun 22 with 291 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 12:03 - Jun 22 by bsw72 |
He's explained this, and you are being unfair.
That was to pay for his security, no, wait, it was a thank you for Brexit, oh, hang on, nope my bad, was just an unconditional gift.
Why can't people trust what he tells us, it's not as if he has ever given us a reason not to trust him? |
I do like the fact that less than a week ago, Lord Ashcroft, who has a book out about Farage and is one of his biggest supporters, was celebrating Farage's longevity in Politics.
32 years as a politician, but remember he's just one of us...
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| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 14:05 - Jun 22 with 260 views | Guthrum |
| Professional politician demands an end to professional politicians on 13:32 - Jun 22 by ElderGrizzly |
I do like the fact that less than a week ago, Lord Ashcroft, who has a book out about Farage and is one of his biggest supporters, was celebrating Farage's longevity in Politics.
32 years as a politician, but remember he's just one of us...
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That is the biggest issue with Farage. He's a disruptor, but do you want someone who only does that trying to run an organised and highly complex society?
He's never run a business or any major organisation in his life (not even the Brexit campaign, for which he's always taking credit). | |
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