| English youth development needs an overhaul 12:22 - Jul 16 with 1395 views | IP1Blue |
Was interested to see how much English clubs spend on youth development compared to nations across Europe and a report by UEFA in 2020 shows we’re way above most nations - https://www.uefa.com/news-medi
As someone who has been going to academy games a lot in the last 15/20 years for various reasons such as family members being part academies from u9 - u16 levels this obsession of athleticism is what is killing us. Ipswich for example came out with a new tiered pillar system in what they’re looking for which placed athleticism and physicality at the top with technical ability only coming in at 3rd. You play teams in London who are 13/14 years old who are bigger and stronger than everyone at there age so it looks like they’re really good but by the time they’re 18/19 people have caught them up and get found out.
This was accelerated after France winning the World Cup in 2018 and we’ve almost gone backwards in producing footballers. Spain and Argentina produce top quality footballers whilst most of ours are very good physically but are average footballers which get found out at the top level. Unless we change our approach in English football and this obsession with physicality and don’t move to a more technical approach which gives players a chance to grow rather than kicked out for academies for being too small which happens a lot and more than people would think, I think we struggle.
We’re world class at producing non league players and amateur in producing world class players for the money that we spend on youth development. Obviously there’s a few exceptions e.g. Bellingham but overall, it’s all quite average - we’ve been very lucky the last four tournaments with our routes to semi finals / finals and unfortunately we’ve not taken this golden opportunity that we’ve had in the last 8 years. |  | | |  |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 15:15 - Jul 16 with 183 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 14:38 - Jul 16 by IP1Blue |
But in the end, they didn’t win because of there sh*thousery, the better footballing side won - once they actually locked in and stopped all of that, we couldn’t get near them and there footballing ability in midfield and Messi won them the game.
We couldn’t just rely on Bellingham/Kane to win us the game - the Spain/Argentinians of the world to me seems like they have more strings to there bow than us. I do feel someone like an Adam Wharton would have been perfect last night who can take the ball in midfield and find them cute passes and hold onto it. |
Happy to agree to differ on that one.
The sh*thousery played into it for sure, keeping them in the first half.
We more than matched them for the first hour technically / footballing wise, and then gave up, which was more of a mentality issue and poor tactical decisions from the manager.
I wouldnt put Argentina in the same bracket as Spain, and I hope Spain show that in the final. |  |
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| English youth development needs an overhaul on 15:18 - Jul 16 with 176 views | hype313 |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 15:06 - Jul 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I wouldn't disagree.
From my experience as a parent in kids football atm, the scouts are looking for big fast athletes, not technical players. |
Yep, the amount of kids I see where parents say he's in an academy is baffling when I see them play, it's purely just down to size and genetics in the hope they can teach them skills.
The most ironic thing is the best player on the planet, and in history is 5'7. |  |
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| English youth development needs an overhaul on 15:20 - Jul 16 with 175 views | RIPbobby |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 15:15 - Jul 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Happy to agree to differ on that one.
The sh*thousery played into it for sure, keeping them in the first half.
We more than matched them for the first hour technically / footballing wise, and then gave up, which was more of a mentality issue and poor tactical decisions from the manager.
I wouldnt put Argentina in the same bracket as Spain, and I hope Spain show that in the final. |
The fact they left de paul on the bench said to me that the argies wanted us to run our race for the first seventy minutes and bring on the quality the last twenty. They were a good watch after seventy minutes, but before that they were going through the motions and binding their time. A perfectly executed training game on their part.
We were told right from day one that they would be lenient on fouls, they adapted and we did not. We must do that in these kind of games. |  | | |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 15:39 - Jul 16 with 135 views | naa |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 12:56 - Jul 16 by IP1Blue |
Overreaching! We spend by far and most on youth development across Europe - what about Spain, italy, Argentina who all have lower populations than us who have won top tier tournaments in last 10 years. France only have 10m more people than us as well!
Every team we should beat, we beat and every 50/50 game we have lost in the last 10 years - we couldn’t of asked for better games and we have thrown them away in key moment or by better footballing terms!
Declan rice and Anderson are good players but neither would get into Argentinas or Spains midfield - I would argue very overrated by the way media speak about him. I think it was Michael Owen who said you can make a good career now in the premier league by running a bit further than anyone else and passing the ball from A to B and he’s right |
Be careful using Italy as an example! They may have won one but they got knocked out in group phase and failed to qualify at all for the last 5 tournaments.
I'd much rather be in our position than theirs. | | | |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 16:31 - Jul 16 with 114 views | OldFart71 |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 12:47 - Jul 16 by BseaBlue |
The only thing is, a lot of the current squad will still be around for the next world cup. Out of the current squad, I'd imagine the following will be in with a chance of being there:
- James
- Guehi
- Konsa
- O'Reilly
- Spence
- Anderson
- Rice
- Gordon
- Saka
- Bellingham
- Mainoo
- Quansah
- Madueke
- Rogers
- Eze
Add in that Foden will be 30 and Palmer 28 and that is two other good options to have.
Losing Kane will be the biggest blow but I still see Bellingham as our long term 9. Strikers do seem to be an issue though and is concerning considering we have had a luxury of options there for a number of years. |
Foden will be another in the long line of failed youngsters and along with players like Phillips, Grealish and Stirling will be moved on by City.
Cole Palmer in my humble opinion should have gone to the world cup.
Rice was a shadow of himself especially after the illness.
Gordon was a breath of fresh air. I thought he had a terrific tournament. | | | |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 16:42 - Jul 16 with 111 views | BseaBlue |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 14:53 - Jul 16 by NedPlimpton |
But they're not "fairly average" are they? They're the 4th best side in the world, beat Mexico on their home soil and if it wasn't for some pretty depressing tactics against Argentina would potentially be in a world cup final. And that's without the likes of Palmer, Foden, TAA etc who have been amongst the best players in the best league in the world over the last few seasons
I genuinely get your point, but a complete overhaul of youth football for what has been a pretty successful side over the last few years would be ridiculous. As a country we're producing some of our finest talent in recent years, and are internationally more successful now than we've ever been (barring 66). Winning a Euros or World cup would be the next step and to me it feels more psychological than talent based. [Post edited 16 Jul 14:55]
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And we decided to leave three of our most technically competent footballers at home in Trent, Palmer and Foden!
It is incredibly harsh to say outside of Bellingham, we are bang average when a lot of the players are important components at very successful football clubs. |  | | |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 16:45 - Jul 16 with 99 views | BseaBlue |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 16:31 - Jul 16 by OldFart71 |
Foden will be another in the long line of failed youngsters and along with players like Phillips, Grealish and Stirling will be moved on by City.
Cole Palmer in my humble opinion should have gone to the world cup.
Rice was a shadow of himself especially after the illness.
Gordon was a breath of fresh air. I thought he had a terrific tournament. |
Failed youngster? He has won 18 major trophies in his time at City. Give me that failure any day of the week!
I agree that he hasn't quite done it with England but maybe it is just that we haven't got the best out of him in comparison to his time at Citeh. Agree regarding Rice but then we didn't trust Mainoo to play who has been fantastic at United. | | | |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 16:55 - Jul 16 with 86 views | Bluefields |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 15:20 - Jul 16 by RIPbobby |
The fact they left de paul on the bench said to me that the argies wanted us to run our race for the first seventy minutes and bring on the quality the last twenty. They were a good watch after seventy minutes, but before that they were going through the motions and binding their time. A perfectly executed training game on their part.
We were told right from day one that they would be lenient on fouls, they adapted and we did not. We must do that in these kind of games. |
Couldnt agree with you more, exactly my comments last night. | | | |
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| English youth development needs an overhaul on 16:56 - Jul 16 with 82 views | Bluefields |
We've won the last 2 U21 Euro Champs so must be doing something right | | | |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 23:21 - Jul 16 with 14 views | armchaircritic59 |
| English youth development needs an overhaul on 12:40 - Jul 16 by Nutkins_Return |
We're hitting semi finals and finals on a regular basis and essentially overachieving in a lot of senses for our size.
Annoyed we went out it I don't by the rhetoric we need to rip things up. |
There is some truth in that, it is also the truth that we were the country that introduced the game as we know it, to the world, and set up the very first football association. I'd say that points to us losing our way if not too dramatically. The question is why? Well there are probably a few reasons. One of them in my opinion is the lack of the highest quality coaching. You look at Spain, nothing they do is outrageously clever. It's simple pass and move football, but done to the highest level, over laid with some flair here and there and you can bet they practice it till they're sick of it. If you can't do the basics of the game you might as well not bother. Ball control and passing should be extremely high on the list. |  | | |
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