| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta 09:58 - Jul 31 with 9276 views | ElderGrizzly |
Astonishing, when the initial media report was 'hundreds'
https://www.theguardian.com/wo
And with Italy calling for the suspension Schengen Area with Spain too |  | | |  |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:44 - Aug 1 with 647 views | J2BLUE |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:31 - Aug 1 by lowhouseblue |
what is there to suggest any action by israel or that "israel may have had something to do with this"? there are vaguely tangential smears and extremely contorted logic that israel at some very obscure level. nothing else. it's just the usual unevidenced conspiracy nonsense. |
Netanyahu sayings countries who oppose Israel will pay an immediate price
His son's tweets
The thinktank.
Replace Israel with Russia and I don't think there would be a problem.
Anyway, I am off out, we can agree to disagree. |  | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:47 - Aug 1 with 630 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
What's confusing me this morning is that the BBC are still reporting this event and it's fall out without mentioning that pretty much everyone has been returned. |  |
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:56 - Aug 1 with 571 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:31 - Aug 1 by ElderGrizzly |
You are just a horrid, twisted little man who throws anti-semitism at anyone who points out Israel might be doing something bad.
I’ve literally shown the detail which appears to show Israel encouraging certain behaviours or actions.
As I said before and others have told you, that isn’t anti-semitism, it is holding people to account. |
How odd. Blueschev raised this first and didn’t get abuse from you or the downvotes I revived.
49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta by Blueschev 31 Jul 16:25Implying that Israel is somehow engineering mass immigration in to Europe is a classic case of antisemitism. It's levelled against Israel because Israel is a Jewish state, and it is an old fashioned Jewish conspiracy theory. I'm no fan of Israel, but the origins of such a theory are pretty obvious.
I’ll leave you to it. |  |
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:57 - Aug 1 with 571 views | DJR |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:47 - Aug 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What's confusing me this morning is that the BBC are still reporting this event and it's fall out without mentioning that pretty much everyone has been returned. |
The same is true of much of the papers, even though they went to press after the return.
And this is the current headline on BBC News online.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art [Post edited 1 Aug 9:58]
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:58 - Aug 1 with 557 views | lowhouseblue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:44 - Aug 1 by J2BLUE |
Netanyahu sayings countries who oppose Israel will pay an immediate price
His son's tweets
The thinktank.
Replace Israel with Russia and I don't think there would be a problem.
Anyway, I am off out, we can agree to disagree. |
none of that is evidence of anything. the son (who cares about the son) is clearly criticising spain's hypocrisy, nothing more. the opinion piece linked is talking about diplomacy. this is all nonsense and conflation. evidence of russia's wrong doing is very well documented - it isn't just wishful thinking and the wilful twisting of two insignificant online links. this is a cil level of mid-wittery. |  |
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:05 - Aug 1 with 529 views | BlueBoots |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:57 - Aug 1 by DJR |
The same is true of much of the papers, even though they went to press after the return.
And this is the current headline on BBC News online.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art [Post edited 1 Aug 9:58]
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
4 paragraphs into the article clearly states "As of Friday evening, more than 48,000 people had voluntarily returned to Morocco, Spanish officials said."
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:09 - Aug 1 with 517 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:57 - Aug 1 by DJR |
The same is true of much of the papers, even though they went to press after the return.
And this is the current headline on BBC News online.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art [Post edited 1 Aug 9:58]
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Much like the reporting of the 'close to Sizewell' fire they are increasingly falling into sensationalism. | |
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:14 - Aug 1 with 509 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:05 - Aug 1 by BlueBoots |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
4 paragraphs into the article clearly states "As of Friday evening, more than 48,000 people had voluntarily returned to Morocco, Spanish officials said."
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There was no reference to this on the tv Breakfast report this morning. | |
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:47 - Aug 1 with 466 views | DJR |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:05 - Aug 1 by BlueBoots |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
4 paragraphs into the article clearly states "As of Friday evening, more than 48,000 people had voluntarily returned to Morocco, Spanish officials said."
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It's the headline that counts though, and how many glancing at the main headlines on BBC News online will even click on, let alone read, the whole article?
Maybe the BBC don't have the sub-editors anymore to change the headline, but when it comes to some of the papers, a headline such as this merely fits their agenda.
Interestingly, the BBC headline even mentions 60,000 people when most reports I've seen mention 50,000. [Post edited 1 Aug 11:10]
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:14 - Aug 1 with 413 views | DJR |
He's not wrong!
"The Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, has hit back at some EU countries for what he described as their “selfish, polarising and illegal reaction” to the mass border crossings at Ceuta, as he thanked Morocco for its help in dealing with the crisis.
In a letter to Brussels, he said several European states have chosen to “attack” Spain and request its temporary exclusion from the Schengen area, driven by “prejudice, fake news, ignorance, or political interests” that is contrary to European law, humanitarian law and the principles of EU solidarity, the Spanish El Pais newspaper reported.
Sánchez argued that in less than 48 hours, his government managed to “fully restore control of the border, provide extensive humanitarian assistance, return virtually all migrants who crossed irregularly and prevent any unauthorised movement towards continental Europe”.
“All of this has been achieved in close coordination with the Moroccan authorities and with very little support from other European states,” he added.
He called for an emergency meeting of EU interior ministers “as a matter of urgency”."
And interestingly, Spain has a returns agreement with Morocco. [Post edited 1 Aug 11:18]
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:16 - Aug 1 with 403 views | BlueBoots |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 10:14 - Aug 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
There was no reference to this on the tv Breakfast report this morning. |
Pretty poor form if that's the case (don't really watch TV news any more, and try to get mine from a few sources in the hope of sifting through any bias) | |
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:26 - Aug 1 with 372 views | BarcaBlue |
Trump's reaction yesterday...
“You know I saw Spain yesterday, and I watched the catastrophe that took place. It looks like an invasion of a country by hundreds of thousands of people,” Trump said. “And that same thing is going to happen to us if the Republicans don’t get elected. Except worse, much bigger.”
It's little surprise that a lot of people here are talking about outside influences and at the very least highlighting those trying to benefit from a situation that ended up with everyone going home within 48 hours except the 57 or so who drowned. |  | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:35 - Aug 1 with 339 views | reusersfreekicks |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:26 - Aug 1 by BarcaBlue |
Trump's reaction yesterday...
“You know I saw Spain yesterday, and I watched the catastrophe that took place. It looks like an invasion of a country by hundreds of thousands of people,” Trump said. “And that same thing is going to happen to us if the Republicans don’t get elected. Except worse, much bigger.”
It's little surprise that a lot of people here are talking about outside influences and at the very least highlighting those trying to benefit from a situation that ended up with everyone going home within 48 hours except the 57 or so who drowned. |
The Spanish PM has stood out as one with sufficient honour and integrity to fully call out a genocidal Israeli regime rather than the pathetic response of the rest of W Europe. He also called out Trump more directly than other leaders.
Then this happens.
Someone must be behind it somewhere.
To drag up anti semitism is ridiculous.
If Israel stopped killing thousands of people and denying basic rights to people maybe they wouldn't get all this criticism and accusation. |  | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:43 - Aug 1 with 307 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 09:42 - Aug 1 by ElderGrizzly |
So I’ve posted links by respected political analysts who say there ‘may’ be something else going on with evidenced links back to Israel.
The US Secretary of State is on record pushing a narrative against Spain and pro-Morocco on Cueta.
You just keep saying - no it’s a conspiracy.
Post evidence to the contrary then.
Oh and I’d love to know my fantasy political reasoning 😂 [Post edited 1 Aug 9:43]
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We had the same problem with the early stages of Israel’s response to the horrific 7th October attacks by Hamas. For months while Israel were killing civilians by the tens of thousands there were a lot of people very quick to call antisemitism whenever anyone criticised Israel’s response. It must have been about 15 months or so before the wider realisation set in that Netanyahu’s government were indeed committing war crimes and could be freely criticised. It took the ICC issuing an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and Gallant in the winter of 2024 before it became acceptable to mention the G word and the mood shifted. And this was right to the top including how politicians were responding, echoing all the way through our national conversation.
There seems to be multiple lines of evidence suggesting that some in the Israel regime have been threatening or fantasising about such an incident that we saw yesterday. The only thing I’d add is that doesn’t mean they were involved. It could easily be just Morocco or the US or all three of them in some way. Or none. Yet if people can postulate that it could have been a political move by Morocco or the US, I don’t see why Israel is exempt from also being part of that discussion based on what people from the Israel regime have been posting/saying. |  |
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:51 - Aug 1 with 281 views | BarcaBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:43 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
We had the same problem with the early stages of Israel’s response to the horrific 7th October attacks by Hamas. For months while Israel were killing civilians by the tens of thousands there were a lot of people very quick to call antisemitism whenever anyone criticised Israel’s response. It must have been about 15 months or so before the wider realisation set in that Netanyahu’s government were indeed committing war crimes and could be freely criticised. It took the ICC issuing an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and Gallant in the winter of 2024 before it became acceptable to mention the G word and the mood shifted. And this was right to the top including how politicians were responding, echoing all the way through our national conversation.
There seems to be multiple lines of evidence suggesting that some in the Israel regime have been threatening or fantasising about such an incident that we saw yesterday. The only thing I’d add is that doesn’t mean they were involved. It could easily be just Morocco or the US or all three of them in some way. Or none. Yet if people can postulate that it could have been a political move by Morocco or the US, I don’t see why Israel is exempt from also being part of that discussion based on what people from the Israel regime have been posting/saying. |
Quite. The Israeli ambassador to the UN today called for the return of Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco. Now that's a whole different debate in itself but a bit rich coming from a country currently occupying two countries in the region. | | | |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:54 - Aug 1 with 262 views | StokieBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:43 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
We had the same problem with the early stages of Israel’s response to the horrific 7th October attacks by Hamas. For months while Israel were killing civilians by the tens of thousands there were a lot of people very quick to call antisemitism whenever anyone criticised Israel’s response. It must have been about 15 months or so before the wider realisation set in that Netanyahu’s government were indeed committing war crimes and could be freely criticised. It took the ICC issuing an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and Gallant in the winter of 2024 before it became acceptable to mention the G word and the mood shifted. And this was right to the top including how politicians were responding, echoing all the way through our national conversation.
There seems to be multiple lines of evidence suggesting that some in the Israel regime have been threatening or fantasising about such an incident that we saw yesterday. The only thing I’d add is that doesn’t mean they were involved. It could easily be just Morocco or the US or all three of them in some way. Or none. Yet if people can postulate that it could have been a political move by Morocco or the US, I don’t see why Israel is exempt from also being part of that discussion based on what people from the Israel regime have been posting/saying. |
Careful now, you'll get an imaginary card from the self-appointed board moderator for posting like that.
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 12:00 - Aug 1 with 219 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 11:51 - Aug 1 by BarcaBlue |
Quite. The Israeli ambassador to the UN today called for the return of Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco. Now that's a whole different debate in itself but a bit rich coming from a country currently occupying two countries in the region. |
Yes, a bit rich!
I find it (antisemitism) a really tricky issue to navigate, as people should be able to call out antisemitism where they see it. So I’m really nervous of challenging anything where I think people may be over-zealous in accusations of antisemitism. But surely it’s relevant questioning Israel’s motives here when we have statements like the one you’ve just mentioned?
On the other hand we have to be mindful of the backdrop of antisemitism here in the UK. This report released this week really highlights the problem we have now in the UK with antisemitism; it’s shameful: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art | |
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| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 12:13 - Aug 1 with 167 views | BarcaBlue |
| 49,000 migrants crossing in one day to Cueta on 12:00 - Aug 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, a bit rich!
I find it (antisemitism) a really tricky issue to navigate, as people should be able to call out antisemitism where they see it. So I’m really nervous of challenging anything where I think people may be over-zealous in accusations of antisemitism. But surely it’s relevant questioning Israel’s motives here when we have statements like the one you’ve just mentioned?
On the other hand we have to be mindful of the backdrop of antisemitism here in the UK. This report released this week really highlights the problem we have now in the UK with antisemitism; it’s shameful: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art |
There's a debate to be had over who or what was behind the events of the last two days. That debate is naturally going to include countries that have publicly threatened Spain or have longstanding grievances. You can't just shut down the debate by claiming anti-Semitism.
Netanyahu accused Pedro Sanchez of anti- Semitism when he spoke out against Israel and genocide in Palestine. All it does is belittle and ignore real instances, much like it does calling people fascists, islamaphobes or whatever when trying to shut down debate. | | | |
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