| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? 10:31 - Aug 14 with 2723 views | AYACCA |
Defensive midfielder who scores 25 goals a season.... [Post edited 14 Aug 10:32]
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| How much would Prime John Work be worth in today's market? on 10:32 - Aug 14 with 2711 views | BasingstokeBlue |
Who? (asked when the O.P. title said "John Work" before editing) [Post edited 14 Aug 10:53]
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| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 11:28 - Aug 14 with 2420 views | lurcher |
Probably not as much as we would like to think.
Football was different then, teams and the top flight in the UK were far poorer. Then the best players were spread around the world, now the vast majority are in the English top flight. A Wark in his prime today probably wouldn't be the player he was back in the 80s. And I am not sure he could have sustained the energy levels we request of central midfielders today. [Post edited 14 Aug 11:29]
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| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 11:35 - Aug 14 with 2324 views | Churchman |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 11:28 - Aug 14 by lurcher |
Probably not as much as we would like to think.
Football was different then, teams and the top flight in the UK were far poorer. Then the best players were spread around the world, now the vast majority are in the English top flight. A Wark in his prime today probably wouldn't be the player he was back in the 80s. And I am not sure he could have sustained the energy levels we request of central midfielders today. [Post edited 14 Aug 11:29]
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Oh I think he would be fine today. He was meant to be the defensive midfielder behind Frans and Arnold. And in a sense he was - it’s just with those late runs and an eye for a goal he proved deadly to the opposition. That’s a skill just as relevant now as it was then.
With modern diet, training, kit, pitches and no tackling allowed I think he might have proven even more deadly.
Hard to compare players of different eras though. |  | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 11:56 - Aug 14 with 2230 views | bsw72 |
I doubt he would have made it through the academy systems today, would have been discarded for being too small.
It's such a different game these days.
EDIT: For some reason, I always thought he was smaller than 5'11. So ignore the ramblings of a grey haired fool. [Post edited 14 Aug 11:59]
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| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 12:05 - Aug 14 with 2144 views | Lion |
1981 - 1982 John Wark £120,000,000 -£150,000,000 all day long |  |
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| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 12:08 - Aug 14 with 2122 views | WeirdFishes |
Taking into account modern training and fitness that he’d have available, well into the £100m+ category. |  |
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| How much would Prime John Work be worth in today's market? on 12:08 - Aug 14 with 2123 views | AYACCA |
| How much would Prime John Work be worth in today's market? on 10:32 - Aug 14 by BasingstokeBlue |
Who? (asked when the O.P. title said "John Work" before editing) [Post edited 14 Aug 10:53]
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John Work talked the talk but couldn't Wark the Wark | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 12:14 - Aug 14 with 2087 views | BseaBlue |
This, according to AI:
'In today's transfer market, a 1981 prime John Wark would be worth between £85 million and £110 million.This evaluation is based on standard "football market inflation" indexes (such as the Tomkins Times or TotallyMoney models) which track how drastically transfer fees have outpaced regular economic inflation since the late 20th century'
Seems a bit light to me though!
This on the Beat:
'In today's football market, a 1978 peak version of Ipswich Town's legendary centre-back Kevin Beattie would realistically be worth between £85 million and £120 million, with some football pundits and historians arguing his absolute ceiling could approach £150 million to £200 million in a hyper-inflated transfer window.Sir Bobby Robson famously described Beattie as "priceless" and the best defender England had ever seen. Assessing his value in the modern market requires looking at his profile, equivalent modern players, and specialized football inflation models' |  | | |
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| How much would Prime John Work be worth in today's market? on 12:15 - Aug 14 with 2064 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| How much would Prime John Work be worth in today's market? on 12:08 - Aug 14 by AYACCA |
John Work talked the talk but couldn't Wark the Wark |
But if he opened a Chinese restaurant, would he be able to Work the Wok? |  |
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| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 12:42 - Aug 14 with 1902 views | AYACCA |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 12:14 - Aug 14 by BseaBlue |
This, according to AI:
'In today's transfer market, a 1981 prime John Wark would be worth between £85 million and £110 million.This evaluation is based on standard "football market inflation" indexes (such as the Tomkins Times or TotallyMoney models) which track how drastically transfer fees have outpaced regular economic inflation since the late 20th century'
Seems a bit light to me though!
This on the Beat:
'In today's football market, a 1978 peak version of Ipswich Town's legendary centre-back Kevin Beattie would realistically be worth between £85 million and £120 million, with some football pundits and historians arguing his absolute ceiling could approach £150 million to £200 million in a hyper-inflated transfer window.Sir Bobby Robson famously described Beattie as "priceless" and the best defender England had ever seen. Assessing his value in the modern market requires looking at his profile, equivalent modern players, and specialized football inflation models' |
Good ol' Beat, used to chat with him a lot. Lovely bloke, down to earth. | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 16:13 - Aug 14 with 1571 views | HighgateBlue |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 12:05 - Aug 14 by Lion |
1981 - 1982 John Wark £120,000,000 -£150,000,000 all day long |
It's mad that he only ever got 29 Scotland caps!
Although if McTominay were to get injured, there'd be a reasonable case for him adding to that number... |  | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 16:24 - Aug 14 with 1537 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
IMO some people are looking at this the wrong way. Rather than consider Warky playing today game, it's more about what was Warky worth at his prime in today's money.
It's been estimated that Trevor Francis' transfer in 1979 is worth £170M today. For me that says Warky was worth £100M+ in his prime. [Post edited 14 Aug 16:25]
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| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 19:15 - Aug 14 with 1398 views | armchaircritic59 |
If you're talking about the JW who was at one stage rated as one of the 10 worlds best players, I'd say £120M +. |  | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 19:45 - Aug 14 with 1357 views | armchaircritic59 |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 11:28 - Aug 14 by lurcher |
Probably not as much as we would like to think.
Football was different then, teams and the top flight in the UK were far poorer. Then the best players were spread around the world, now the vast majority are in the English top flight. A Wark in his prime today probably wouldn't be the player he was back in the 80s. And I am not sure he could have sustained the energy levels we request of central midfielders today. [Post edited 14 Aug 11:29]
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That last sentence is one I see all too often. A player of decades past if transported to today, would of course be subject to today's training regimes, so would be as fit as everyone else is now. Though in Warky's case that might not make much difference as he frequently skipped training anyway! And could still make those runs undetected from midfield to the opposition box on a very frequent basis. He played the game more in his head then in his feet. | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 19:50 - Aug 14 with 1343 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 19:45 - Aug 14 by armchaircritic59 |
That last sentence is one I see all too often. A player of decades past if transported to today, would of course be subject to today's training regimes, so would be as fit as everyone else is now. Though in Warky's case that might not make much difference as he frequently skipped training anyway! And could still make those runs undetected from midfield to the opposition box on a very frequent basis. He played the game more in his head then in his feet. |
You’re probably right about this.
Did you ever read about Warky’s medical a Liverpool?
“Bend over and touch your toes. Ok, you’ve passed the medical”
He’s always been a bit of a joker, so who knows - but it’s on the verge of believable. | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 19:59 - Aug 14 with 1308 views | lurcher |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 19:45 - Aug 14 by armchaircritic59 |
That last sentence is one I see all too often. A player of decades past if transported to today, would of course be subject to today's training regimes, so would be as fit as everyone else is now. Though in Warky's case that might not make much difference as he frequently skipped training anyway! And could still make those runs undetected from midfield to the opposition box on a very frequent basis. He played the game more in his head then in his feet. |
But would his body cope with the training that we put footballers through today. He was never the greatest trainer and he had quite a serious injury at one point. I don't think it is a given that players from the past would just be developed to the level of players of today. The top level now is about athleticism in the middle of the park. I think there are plenty of players who excelled in the past who would find themselves unable to cope with the demands of the modern game. [Post edited 14 Aug 20:03]
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| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 00:28 - Aug 15 with 1079 views | Churchman |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 19:59 - Aug 14 by lurcher |
But would his body cope with the training that we put footballers through today. He was never the greatest trainer and he had quite a serious injury at one point. I don't think it is a given that players from the past would just be developed to the level of players of today. The top level now is about athleticism in the middle of the park. I think there are plenty of players who excelled in the past who would find themselves unable to cope with the demands of the modern game. [Post edited 14 Aug 20:03]
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In five straight seasons he played over 40 league games plus cup matches. One of them 80/81, he played 64 games, scoring 36 times. From midfield. On hopeless pitches with a heavier ball, kit and boots.
He would have excelled in the modern game as all the players of that era would have done, bar the keeper who would be too small.
The game back then ebbed and flowed. It could be as quick as today, sometimes not. But human genetics haven’t changed and with modern methods, diet, etc the likes of Paul Mariner would have walked into any team. Imagine a modern player trying to get the ball off Frans, Gates and Arnold. Or Clive Woods come to that. With tackling basically gone, forget it.
The modern game is quicker. It’s different, but football is football. A simple game really and the best would be that transported into any era. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 00:43 - Aug 15 with 1070 views | urbanpenguin |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 12:14 - Aug 14 by BseaBlue |
This, according to AI:
'In today's transfer market, a 1981 prime John Wark would be worth between £85 million and £110 million.This evaluation is based on standard "football market inflation" indexes (such as the Tomkins Times or TotallyMoney models) which track how drastically transfer fees have outpaced regular economic inflation since the late 20th century'
Seems a bit light to me though!
This on the Beat:
'In today's football market, a 1978 peak version of Ipswich Town's legendary centre-back Kevin Beattie would realistically be worth between £85 million and £120 million, with some football pundits and historians arguing his absolute ceiling could approach £150 million to £200 million in a hyper-inflated transfer window.Sir Bobby Robson famously described Beattie as "priceless" and the best defender England had ever seen. Assessing his value in the modern market requires looking at his profile, equivalent modern players, and specialized football inflation models' |
The Bank of England Inflation Calculator suggests that £450k (which I think is what we sold Wark to LIverpool for in 1984) would today be worth about £1.5m.
My entirely unprofessional and vibes-led value of Wark if we sold him to Liverpool today would be about £84,728,921.52. Which is a little more than £1.5m
It's fair to say, then, that the football economy has grown a little more than the wider economy. Which is, perhaps, why the Americans have invested in Ipswich so much. But I bet that if they are reading this they are annoyed they hadn't got in a few decades' sooner... [Post edited 15 Aug 0:46]
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| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 00:48 - Aug 15 with 1060 views | armchaircritic59 |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 19:50 - Aug 14 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You’re probably right about this.
Did you ever read about Warky’s medical a Liverpool?
“Bend over and touch your toes. Ok, you’ve passed the medical”
He’s always been a bit of a joker, so who knows - but it’s on the verge of believable. |
Yep, I saw him tell it, wouldn't surprise me! I reckon his dislike of training went before him. They thought ok, as long as he can bend down and touch his toes, that'll do :) | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 07:19 - Aug 15 with 914 views | lurcher |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 00:28 - Aug 15 by Churchman |
In five straight seasons he played over 40 league games plus cup matches. One of them 80/81, he played 64 games, scoring 36 times. From midfield. On hopeless pitches with a heavier ball, kit and boots.
He would have excelled in the modern game as all the players of that era would have done, bar the keeper who would be too small.
The game back then ebbed and flowed. It could be as quick as today, sometimes not. But human genetics haven’t changed and with modern methods, diet, etc the likes of Paul Mariner would have walked into any team. Imagine a modern player trying to get the ball off Frans, Gates and Arnold. Or Clive Woods come to that. With tackling basically gone, forget it.
The modern game is quicker. It’s different, but football is football. A simple game really and the best would be that transported into any era. |
A midfielder today covers 30% to 50% more ground than a midfielder did in the 80s. The ball is in play for longer today and players press far more. Players are far quicker now and find themselves moving about at top speed for much of their time on the pitch. Football today is very different, physicality and performance rivals ability.
Some of our side from the 80s would have likely been able to play at the top level of the game and Warky is one of them. But would he have played as long at the top level or hit the heights he did then, difficult to say. There will be many in our greatest side that just wouldn't be quick or physical enough. Would Frans, Gates and Arnold be able to get the ball off a modern midfielder, someone like Florentino Luís or Lukic who we have just signed? And would our defenders from back then be able to win the ball without the tackle from behind?
Football being a simple game is a very old fashioned trope. It is very complex, it just looks simple when everything works. | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 08:41 - Aug 15 with 814 views | Churchman |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 07:19 - Aug 15 by lurcher |
A midfielder today covers 30% to 50% more ground than a midfielder did in the 80s. The ball is in play for longer today and players press far more. Players are far quicker now and find themselves moving about at top speed for much of their time on the pitch. Football today is very different, physicality and performance rivals ability.
Some of our side from the 80s would have likely been able to play at the top level of the game and Warky is one of them. But would he have played as long at the top level or hit the heights he did then, difficult to say. There will be many in our greatest side that just wouldn't be quick or physical enough. Would Frans, Gates and Arnold be able to get the ball off a modern midfielder, someone like Florentino Luís or Lukic who we have just signed? And would our defenders from back then be able to win the ball without the tackle from behind?
Football being a simple game is a very old fashioned trope. It is very complex, it just looks simple when everything works. |
Yes, the defenders would win the ball back. It really wasn’t all kicking players into the stands. Did you ever see Kevin Beattie or Alan Hanson play?
Pace? Not many players would keep up with a modern version of Laurie Cunningham or QPRs Dave Thomas. Human beings are not genetically faster. 30+ years ago I watched Klinsmann tear us apart. Just ten years after our best side. Could he play today? With ease. God knows how effective Gascoigne would be, let alone George Best.
25 years ago, Thierry Henry was tearing it up. Is there any better players than him now? Not many yet he, along with Zola, Bergkamp, Van Basten and co played in the intervening period where pitches were better, the game softer than their predecessors but a lot harder than now. Things do change.
Today the game is played on a carpet. Better than a bowling green all year round. We had one of the best pitches in the league in the 70s. Look at old winter footage, it’s a mud heap with grass here and there. Everywhere else was worse. Sand and repaint the penalty spot. Try pressing on that.
They play in ballet shoes in lightweight kit now. The ball is actually the same weight it always was. It’s just old footballs absorbed water fast and could actually double in weight. Not now. Diet and fitness control is light years from steak and chips. Medical magic sponges and knees pumped with steroids - long gone.
That’s what has changed. The requirements are different now. The biggest change is sheer size of players, but that’s a society thing too. At 5ft 9.5ins I used to feel pretty average in height and could find a decent view on the terraces. I would now. I’m a flippin midget looking at the size of people. Football is no different. | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 09:04 - Aug 15 with 768 views | OldFart71 |
It's always difficult to determine value of player from then and now. What would Stanley Mathews be worth,Jimmy Greaves, Alan shearer.
Goalkeepers play a total different game now whereas years ago a keeper would bounce the ball endless times and then punt it downfield for a tall fella up front.
Mills and Burley would be similar to Davis in that they would sometime carry the ball forward.
If we could correctly value the Town team consisting of the likes of Mariner and Beattie, Muhren and Thijjsen and co I'd suggest it would be of far more value than the current squad.
Warky's record in Europe was only surpassed by Jurgen Klinnsman, who apparently scored 4 goals against lesser opposition to take Warky's record. It has since been surpassed again.
I'd put Warky at £75-£80 million. | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 11:34 - Aug 15 with 617 views | cressi |
Our side would have been sold for large amounts and dismantled.
The days of Derby, Forest, Villa and us to be up there and sustain are probably gone occasionally a miracle can happen ie Leicester who have fallen to leave one.
The top six don't want anyone let into their little group from a financial point of view. | | | |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 00:17 - Aug 16 with 481 views | armchaircritic59 |
| How much would Prime John Wark be worth in today's market? on 09:04 - Aug 15 by OldFart71 |
It's always difficult to determine value of player from then and now. What would Stanley Mathews be worth,Jimmy Greaves, Alan shearer.
Goalkeepers play a total different game now whereas years ago a keeper would bounce the ball endless times and then punt it downfield for a tall fella up front.
Mills and Burley would be similar to Davis in that they would sometime carry the ball forward.
If we could correctly value the Town team consisting of the likes of Mariner and Beattie, Muhren and Thijjsen and co I'd suggest it would be of far more value than the current squad.
Warky's record in Europe was only surpassed by Jurgen Klinnsman, who apparently scored 4 goals against lesser opposition to take Warky's record. It has since been surpassed again.
I'd put Warky at £75-£80 million. |
You would? I'd buy him (if I had £80M), do a few cartwheels ( and completely ruin a dodgy back! ) and have a very good laugh to myself. An absolute gold plated steal. Eliot Anderson ( a player I like, of his type ) to Man City for £116M , Morgan Rogers to Chelsea for £117M. Not in the same class, as much as I like what Anderson does as CDM in particular. John Wark played the game in his head, he didn't need to do the headless chicken act. | | | |
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