| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) 17:16 - Aug 14 with 1962 views | NthQldITFC |
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:23 - Aug 14 with 1924 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Wasn't as hot in 76 though.
Problem that year was an exceptionally dry winter and spring followed by an exceptionally dry and warm summer. |  |
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:26 - Aug 14 with 1900 views | BloomBlue |
That's because we had British Rail then and it was so cr&p trains hardy ran, especially with unions on strike as it was too hot.
Plus diesel engines then much heavier trains less likely to jump if a track moves. Need to go back to diesel trains. |  | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:48 - Aug 14 with 1796 views | flykickingbybgunn |
The problem with the track buckling is that before they used rails of short lengths which allowed for thermal expansion.
The new ones are all welded into very long lengths to stop all that clickety clack. But when it gets hot there is nowhere for the line to expand into so it buckles.
Modern rail engineers are clearly very intelligent stupid people. |  | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:51 - Aug 14 with 1781 views | earlsgreenblue |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:26 - Aug 14 by BloomBlue |
That's because we had British Rail then and it was so cr&p trains hardy ran, especially with unions on strike as it was too hot.
Plus diesel engines then much heavier trains less likely to jump if a track moves. Need to go back to diesel trains. |
Might be something to do with solid rails as opposed to split length rails, the latter had an expansion gap but than was noisy & wore out quickly.. |  | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 18:38 - Aug 14 with 1676 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:51 - Aug 14 by earlsgreenblue |
Might be something to do with solid rails as opposed to split length rails, the latter had an expansion gap but than was noisy & wore out quickly.. |
Great minds think alike. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 19:02 - Aug 14 with 1611 views | armchaircritic59 |
Is that relevant to anything? Please advise. Yes I was there in " 76 ". |  | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 19:09 - Aug 14 with 1587 views | Trequartista |
Six actually. |  |
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 20:24 - Aug 14 with 1484 views | Oldsmoker |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:48 - Aug 14 by flykickingbybgunn |
The problem with the track buckling is that before they used rails of short lengths which allowed for thermal expansion.
The new ones are all welded into very long lengths to stop all that clickety clack. But when it gets hot there is nowhere for the line to expand into so it buckles.
Modern rail engineers are clearly very intelligent stupid people. |
Some expansion joints are not butt-welded together.
The ends are tapered and designed to slide past each other.
Think of a rectangle of 3 feet by the width of the rail.
Draw a line from opposite corners and cut into 2 triangles.
This allows the rails to slide past each other. |  |
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 20:46 - Aug 14 with 1456 views | floridablue |
I've seen the news about the 2 recent derailments and apart from hearing that high heat can buckle the rails, I know nothing! Can anyone explain why I'm not aware of that happening here in the swamplands of Florida where the heat is often above 100f. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 20:46 - Aug 14 with 1451 views | BloomBlue |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:48 - Aug 14 by flykickingbybgunn |
The problem with the track buckling is that before they used rails of short lengths which allowed for thermal expansion.
The new ones are all welded into very long lengths to stop all that clickety clack. But when it gets hot there is nowhere for the line to expand into so it buckles.
Modern rail engineers are clearly very intelligent stupid people. |
"Clickety-clack, clickety-clack, here comes the train on the railroad track!"
I remember kids saying that. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 20:54 - Aug 14 with 1415 views | Oldsmoker |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 20:46 - Aug 14 by floridablue |
I've seen the news about the 2 recent derailments and apart from hearing that high heat can buckle the rails, I know nothing! Can anyone explain why I'm not aware of that happening here in the swamplands of Florida where the heat is often above 100f. |
You can produce steel that has a higher resistance to heat but it's expensive.
The higher the heat the more expensive.
The UK budgeted for about 27C as hot summers in the UK only became a thing 5 years ago.
Replacing the rails with higher heat-resistant steel will keep our newly nationalised steel industry busy for years. | |
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 21:44 - Aug 14 with 1331 views | giant_stow |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 20:54 - Aug 14 by Oldsmoker |
You can produce steel that has a higher resistance to heat but it's expensive.
The higher the heat the more expensive.
The UK budgeted for about 27C as hot summers in the UK only became a thing 5 years ago.
Replacing the rails with higher heat-resistant steel will keep our newly nationalised steel industry busy for years. |
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 23:09 - Aug 14 with 1225 views | floridablue |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 21:44 - Aug 14 by giant_stow |
Learn something every day. |
Yes, well I certainly have from Old Smokers reply as to why the train rails can buckle in different temperatures.... cheers!
Another question related to the heat in different countries but certainly off topic. More or less every year since moving out of Blighty, I've read reports about how many folk have died during heatwaves in the UK and Europe. Here I am in the swamps of Florida, and I've never heard that discussed on my local news channels and wondering why.
Over to Old Smoker.... | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 23:28 - Aug 14 with 1181 views | Oldsmoker |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 23:09 - Aug 14 by floridablue |
Yes, well I certainly have from Old Smokers reply as to why the train rails can buckle in different temperatures.... cheers!
Another question related to the heat in different countries but certainly off topic. More or less every year since moving out of Blighty, I've read reports about how many folk have died during heatwaves in the UK and Europe. Here I am in the swamps of Florida, and I've never heard that discussed on my local news channels and wondering why.
Over to Old Smoker.... |
I give one bit of info and now I'm bleedin' Google.
I'm more concerned with You-tube ads at the mo.
They're trying to sell me the last pair of glasses I'll ever need.
I can throw my current glasses away.
... and if I buy one pair of the last pair of glasses I'll ever need they'll give me 2 more pairs free.
Hmmm.... let me do the maths.
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 10:24 - Aug 15 with 979 views | BlueBadger |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:48 - Aug 14 by flykickingbybgunn |
The problem with the track buckling is that before they used rails of short lengths which allowed for thermal expansion.
The new ones are all welded into very long lengths to stop all that clickety clack. But when it gets hot there is nowhere for the line to expand into so it buckles.
Modern rail engineers are clearly very intelligent stupid people. |
Plus, since the advent of privatisation there's been a lot less of the sort of ongoing maintenance of track that you used to see. |  |
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 10:43 - Aug 15 with 945 views | naa |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 23:09 - Aug 14 by floridablue |
Yes, well I certainly have from Old Smokers reply as to why the train rails can buckle in different temperatures.... cheers!
Another question related to the heat in different countries but certainly off topic. More or less every year since moving out of Blighty, I've read reports about how many folk have died during heatwaves in the UK and Europe. Here I am in the swamps of Florida, and I've never heard that discussed on my local news channels and wondering why.
Over to Old Smoker.... |
Florida has always been hot so the infrastructure was designed to cope with it.
The UK is traditionally not hot. A good summer's day 10 years ago would be 23. Now we see that as a cooler day.Our infrastructure was not designed for this. Homes get hot, train tracks buckle etc
In the same way that if it snowed like it does in the North of the USA Florida would not be able to cope. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 10:45 - Aug 15 with 936 views | naa |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 10:24 - Aug 15 by BlueBadger |
Plus, since the advent of privatisation there's been a lot less of the sort of ongoing maintenance of track that you used to see. |
To be fair, I don't think the train network itself was privatised. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 11:13 - Aug 15 with 874 views | OldFart71 |
Sadly Britain is a once great country that ruled the world. We can't even rule ourselves now. If as has been alluded to temperatures reach the mid forties Britain will come to a standstill.
Ever since I can remember there's never been joined up writing. Roads and footpaths laid only for a few days later someone from a utilities company to dig it up again.
The situation regarding our housing has been to insulate,insulate, insulate.
I believe that is done more to keep homes warm and prevent heat loss than to keep a house cool.
If everyone or a large swathe of Britain decided to install air conditioning not only would it cost an arm and a leg to have on but I doubt our fragile system would cope.
Just as we now see water shortages due to these companies more interested in paying bosses and share holders than updating their old infrastructure and making provision for the future. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 12:10 - Aug 15 with 817 views | naa |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 11:13 - Aug 15 by OldFart71 |
Sadly Britain is a once great country that ruled the world. We can't even rule ourselves now. If as has been alluded to temperatures reach the mid forties Britain will come to a standstill.
Ever since I can remember there's never been joined up writing. Roads and footpaths laid only for a few days later someone from a utilities company to dig it up again.
The situation regarding our housing has been to insulate,insulate, insulate.
I believe that is done more to keep homes warm and prevent heat loss than to keep a house cool.
If everyone or a large swathe of Britain decided to install air conditioning not only would it cost an arm and a leg to have on but I doubt our fragile system would cope.
Just as we now see water shortages due to these companies more interested in paying bosses and share holders than updating their old infrastructure and making provision for the future. |
Insulation does also keep heat out. But brick is a bad choice for hot weather, it absorbs the heat and gives it out for hours later. Many of our houses have solid brick walls with no insulation. They are a nightmare. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 14:59 - Aug 15 with 744 views | BloomBlue |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 11:13 - Aug 15 by OldFart71 |
Sadly Britain is a once great country that ruled the world. We can't even rule ourselves now. If as has been alluded to temperatures reach the mid forties Britain will come to a standstill.
Ever since I can remember there's never been joined up writing. Roads and footpaths laid only for a few days later someone from a utilities company to dig it up again.
The situation regarding our housing has been to insulate,insulate, insulate.
I believe that is done more to keep homes warm and prevent heat loss than to keep a house cool.
If everyone or a large swathe of Britain decided to install air conditioning not only would it cost an arm and a leg to have on but I doubt our fragile system would cope.
Just as we now see water shortages due to these companies more interested in paying bosses and share holders than updating their old infrastructure and making provision for the future. |
We had water shortages during the summer of 76, one standpipe in the small village in Suffolk I llived and Water had been nationalised for years.
The problem in this country is our politics is short-term.
Look at reservoirs. Thames water wanted to build one at Abingdon 15 years ago, but local council and opposition groups stopped it. Thames Water were more than happy to spend £1b building it, but planning and Nimbys stopped it. Now Thames is under pressure to build that at an estimated £10b cost, with everyone moaning they haven't built any reservoirs
That's the issue, local opposition goes against the reservoir and local council / MP first thought is at the next election will I lose my seat if I go against the opposition and that's all their focus is.
Politics is all short term here.
When it comes to something as critical as water it should exclude any local opposition. If it means flooding a village, force the people out and do it, if it means flooding some ancient woodland, do it. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 15:08 - Aug 15 with 703 views | Radlett_blue |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 20:46 - Aug 14 by floridablue |
I've seen the news about the 2 recent derailments and apart from hearing that high heat can buckle the rails, I know nothing! Can anyone explain why I'm not aware of that happening here in the swamplands of Florida where the heat is often above 100f. |
American railroads, while much larger, have on average 3-4 derailments each day. but 80% of their traffic is freight, travelling at much lower speeds. [Post edited 15 Aug 16:41]
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| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 16:16 - Aug 15 with 626 views | ronnyd |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 17:48 - Aug 14 by flykickingbybgunn |
The problem with the track buckling is that before they used rails of short lengths which allowed for thermal expansion.
The new ones are all welded into very long lengths to stop all that clickety clack. But when it gets hot there is nowhere for the line to expand into so it buckles.
Modern rail engineers are clearly very intelligent stupid people. |
I remember the old "fish plates" that held the rails together with an "expansion gap". I used to work at a factory in Haverhill that made equipment used to lay the lengths of track, set the 'cant' angle and a petrol machine that clamped to the rail and drilled said "fish plate" holes. Very old fashioned stuff, but it worked in all weathers. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 16:19 - Aug 15 with 594 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 10:24 - Aug 15 by BlueBadger |
Plus, since the advent of privatisation there's been a lot less of the sort of ongoing maintenance of track that you used to see. |
Hate to do this mate, but Network Rail maintains the tracks and infrastructure, and is wholly state owned. | | | |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 16:49 - Aug 15 with 514 views | ronnyd |
| How many train derailments did we get in 1976 then? (n/t) on 16:19 - Aug 15 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Hate to do this mate, but Network Rail maintains the tracks and infrastructure, and is wholly state owned. |
As are the majority of the ex franchises. | | | |
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