| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover 10:37 - Sep 5 with 30250 views | Axeldalai_lama |
Will be interesting to see how they're compared to environmental groups who did the same and who mainly showed their faces. Were anti terror laws used against them in the end? Weren't there calls by certain sections on the right to run them over?
Let's wait and see. |  | | |  |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:35 - Sep 7 with 2206 views | redrickstuhaart |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:09 - Sep 7 by balcombeblue |
I’m with you on this one.
I don’t think a face covering should mean arrest. |
Ironically, reform would likely ban face coverings... |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:40 - Sep 7 with 2186 views | DJR |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:01 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Actually socialism is driving the population increase. Capitalism can survive without it - as was the UK model pretty much up to the Blair years - the idea being the growth comes from 1) making us individually better off (until we printed billions of QE) 2) it’s a global economy. Though I accept the Tories most likely aimed to also keep wages down by creating such an unlimited labour pool (and no doubt the same for Reform, look at the donators).
What CAN’T survive without significant population growth is the state pension, which requires ever more tax payers to cover an increasing number of retirees. It’s the ultimate Ponzi scheme.
Other than that I avoided this thread as it’s another that just turned into another one of personal attacks and arguing!*
*Edit - so much so, I forgot what the thread was about!! [Post edited 7 Sep 7:04]
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Not my contributions, guv. 
But I agree with your general point, and it is why I often give up on threads on which there are interesting and valid things to debate.
Perhaps the moral of this and other threads is "Don't bear grudges.". [Post edited 7 Sep 7:43]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:45 - Sep 7 with 2157 views | DJR |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:35 - Sep 7 by redrickstuhaart |
Ironically, reform would likely ban face coverings... |
Just as they seem to have an issue with free speech, given their suspension of Tim Montgomerie and their banning of journalists. [Post edited 7 Sep 7:45]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:55 - Sep 7 with 2114 views | Churchman |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 00:41 - Sep 7 by Ryorry |
I guess you haven't seen the vile abuse, harrassment, defamation, misrepresentation etc by posters other than Benters then.
He's no angel, and holds some views that I totally disagree with, but he's one of a band on here that unlike those others, have demonstrated care and compassion on an individual basis in practice, including by PM. So whilst I usually agree with you, I'm afraid I don't on this. |
You are 100% correct on this Ryorry. |  | | |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:58 - Sep 7 with 2101 views | Swailsey |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:55 - Sep 7 by Churchman |
You are 100% correct on this Ryorry. |
Agree to disagree. He’s been extremely nasty to me, repeatedly over the years - even without the political points. But I’ll leave it there. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:02 - Sep 7 with 2074 views | balcombeblue |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:35 - Sep 7 by redrickstuhaart |
Ironically, reform would likely ban face coverings... |
But we know why that is |  | | |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:06 - Sep 7 with 2048 views | DJR |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 21:43 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Given they were all masked, all in black and are a self identified army, could a case be made for this being their uniform, which would be explicitly banned under the UK Public Order Act 1936? Which was passed in response to uniformed fascists on our streets coincidentally enough! |
That would turn on an interpretation of the Act in this particular case but such legislation has been used in the recent past.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brit
But in many ways, it merely emphasises the point that I am making, namely, that there are already provisions on the statute book that can be used without creating more offences.
And for what it is worth, if I were non-White I think I would find more intimidating a far right gathering with Union Jacks, however they were dressed, but once again there are offences on the statute book to cover intimidation such as the offence of causing harm, alarm or distress under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. [Post edited 7 Sep 8:30]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:14 - Sep 7 with 2021 views | BlueBoots |
1) Wonders what's been happening on the forum over the weekend
2) Spots a 10-pager and wonders how it's got that way
3) Decides to have a quick read over the morning coffee
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6) Takes the cup and plate to the kitchen, and goes to get ready for work |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 11:23 - Sep 7 with 1818 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 02:21 - Sep 7 by Benters |
Thanks R.
I won’t be commenting on this thread anymore. |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 12:32 - Sep 7 with 1746 views | Swansea_Blue |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:06 - Sep 7 by DJR |
That would turn on an interpretation of the Act in this particular case but such legislation has been used in the recent past.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brit
But in many ways, it merely emphasises the point that I am making, namely, that there are already provisions on the statute book that can be used without creating more offences.
And for what it is worth, if I were non-White I think I would find more intimidating a far right gathering with Union Jacks, however they were dressed, but once again there are offences on the statute book to cover intimidation such as the offence of causing harm, alarm or distress under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. [Post edited 7 Sep 8:30]
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Cheers DJR. It’s handy having people around here who understand Legalese. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 14:19 - Sep 7 with 1639 views | Benters |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:58 - Sep 7 by Swailsey |
Agree to disagree. He’s been extremely nasty to me, repeatedly over the years - even without the political points. But I’ll leave it there. |
Hey that’s ok and I’m ok with that.We can’t be loved by everyone can we. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:14 - Sep 8 with 1429 views | DJR |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 16:52 - Sep 5 by DJR |
That must explain why they are targeting the ferries.
#Stop the ferries |
They've now moved onto the RNLI.
#StopTheLifeboats. | | | |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:42 - Sep 8 with 1377 views | DJR |
Interesting to see Farage, having annoyed the patriots at Dover by condemning balaclavas, is now trying to make up for it by calling for the banning of all face masks, including religious ones.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/po
"Farage: Ban balaclavas on Britain’s streets
Reform leader says he wants an end to all face coverings in public, including religious ones"
Leaving aside the fact that it will make Halloween rather dull, it is further evidence of how authoritarian Reform (a party that professes to believe in freedom) is.
And is the proposed ban also a roundabout way of banning medical facemasks which seem to be a bugbear of some on the right? [Post edited 8 Sep 8:44]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 09:24 - Sep 8 with 1314 views | Blueschev |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:42 - Sep 8 by DJR |
Interesting to see Farage, having annoyed the patriots at Dover by condemning balaclavas, is now trying to make up for it by calling for the banning of all face masks, including religious ones.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/po
"Farage: Ban balaclavas on Britain’s streets
Reform leader says he wants an end to all face coverings in public, including religious ones"
Leaving aside the fact that it will make Halloween rather dull, it is further evidence of how authoritarian Reform (a party that professes to believe in freedom) is.
And is the proposed ban also a roundabout way of banning medical facemasks which seem to be a bugbear of some on the right? [Post edited 8 Sep 8:44]
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Nick Ferrari has just played a statement from Danny Tommo on his show. That's a major mainstream source of news giving a platform to a fascist group intent on creating a far right militia. I find that quite a terrifying development. |  | | |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 09:45 - Sep 8 with 1264 views | DJR |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 09:24 - Sep 8 by Blueschev |
Nick Ferrari has just played a statement from Danny Tommo on his show. That's a major mainstream source of news giving a platform to a fascist group intent on creating a far right militia. I find that quite a terrifying development. |
Perhaps equally disturbing is the fact that the top-rated comments on the Mailonline these last few days are fully supportive of him and the other patriots. [Post edited 8 Sep 9:48]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 09:54 - Sep 8 with 1229 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:42 - Sep 8 by DJR |
Interesting to see Farage, having annoyed the patriots at Dover by condemning balaclavas, is now trying to make up for it by calling for the banning of all face masks, including religious ones.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/po
"Farage: Ban balaclavas on Britain’s streets
Reform leader says he wants an end to all face coverings in public, including religious ones"
Leaving aside the fact that it will make Halloween rather dull, it is further evidence of how authoritarian Reform (a party that professes to believe in freedom) is.
And is the proposed ban also a roundabout way of banning medical facemasks which seem to be a bugbear of some on the right? [Post edited 8 Sep 8:44]
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I think everyone, in definance of this, should wear Nigel Farage face masks. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 09:56 - Sep 8 with 1223 views | positivity |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 09:45 - Sep 8 by DJR |
Perhaps equally disturbing is the fact that the top-rated comments on the Mailonline these last few days are fully supportive of him and the other patriots. [Post edited 8 Sep 9:48]
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if lies about immigration and its effects are relentlessly pushed on media and social media it's no great mystery | |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 10:13 - Sep 8 with 1170 views | LeoMuff |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 08:14 - Sep 8 by DJR |
They've now moved onto the RNLI.
#StopTheLifeboats. |
I saw a huge amount of vitriol towards RNLI on Facebook yesterday, many saying I will never contribute again.
I’m not sure what they expect them to do with people in the middle of the sea sometimes in life threatening situations, ignore them ?
These are people who in many cases voluntarily put their lives in danger for no remuneration, athe mind boggles really. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 10:22 - Sep 8 with 1142 views | Ryorry |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 10:27 - Sep 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Accidental upvote from me. For someone who regularly claims to be an innocent victim on here, this joining in with the anti-Stokers pile-on (particularly over something from "several years ago") is really not nice and unnecessary. You're better than this. |
Yet when you and others criticise an individual on threads on here, you say it’s not a pile on, just several people happening to hold a similar view.
And btw the post I was referencing was one of sb’s in which he’d dragged up a post of mine from at least a decade earlier, purely to mock me. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 12:54 - Sep 8 with 964 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 10:22 - Sep 8 by Ryorry |
Yet when you and others criticise an individual on threads on here, you say it’s not a pile on, just several people happening to hold a similar view.
And btw the post I was referencing was one of sb’s in which he’d dragged up a post of mine from at least a decade earlier, purely to mock me. |
"As you’re so interested in people providing answers to your questions these days, any chance of you providing an answer to mine of several years ago"
That's your first post in this thread. You weren't involved or mentioned before, so you've clearly just come steaming into where people are having a pop a Stokers, with something from years ago. Not any attempt to discuss the topic, just purely joining a pile-on. That's the difference.
You've called out several posters who've had unwarrented pops at you, and I've backed you up on several occassions, and then you go and do this - exactly what you accuse others of. The fact it was something from years ago makes it even worse. I can barely remember what happened last week, let alone years ago.
Like I said, you're better than that. | |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 13:28 - Sep 8 with 914 views | Ryorry |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 12:54 - Sep 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"As you’re so interested in people providing answers to your questions these days, any chance of you providing an answer to mine of several years ago"
That's your first post in this thread. You weren't involved or mentioned before, so you've clearly just come steaming into where people are having a pop a Stokers, with something from years ago. Not any attempt to discuss the topic, just purely joining a pile-on. That's the difference.
You've called out several posters who've had unwarrented pops at you, and I've backed you up on several occassions, and then you go and do this - exactly what you accuse others of. The fact it was something from years ago makes it even worse. I can barely remember what happened last week, let alone years ago.
Like I said, you're better than that. |
So according to your judgement there, no-one is allowed to join a thread except on the first day.
The thread started at 10.37am on 5th Sept, a day on which I was on the go with other matters from dawn to midnight. I read it next morning & then posted on it at 10.01am, by which time it had grown to 6 pages The same kind of timeline as thousands of other people's posts on here over decades. Yet it's only me you've chosen to call out. Double standards.
My post was relevant, related to another specific comment by someone else on the thread, mild mannered (not your hyperbolic misrepresentation of "steaming in"). And as I said, the post of sb's that I referenced was him dragging up a post of mine from 10+ years earlier in order to mock me. But according to you that's fine.
Double standards. | |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:10 - Sep 8 with 739 views | Swansea_Blue |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 09:24 - Sep 8 by Blueschev |
Nick Ferrari has just played a statement from Danny Tommo on his show. That's a major mainstream source of news giving a platform to a fascist group intent on creating a far right militia. I find that quite a terrifying development. |
No surprise it’s Ferrari, but yes pretty frightening. The Beeb gave one of them an extended interview slot yesterday too. The lack of condemnation from a good junk of the media and politicians alike is equally disturbing and confusing. The response to a masked vigilante army (albeit one without weapons (yet?)) should be widespread outrage and condemnation. But apparently it’s fine and we need to understand them.
When was the last time we saw these sorts of images of balaclava clad men on the streets - the IRA during the Troubles maybe? | |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 19:27 - Sep 8 with 670 views | balcombeblue |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:10 - Sep 8 by Swansea_Blue |
No surprise it’s Ferrari, but yes pretty frightening. The Beeb gave one of them an extended interview slot yesterday too. The lack of condemnation from a good junk of the media and politicians alike is equally disturbing and confusing. The response to a masked vigilante army (albeit one without weapons (yet?)) should be widespread outrage and condemnation. But apparently it’s fine and we need to understand them.
When was the last time we saw these sorts of images of balaclava clad men on the streets - the IRA during the Troubles maybe? |
Antifa always wear masks on their rather unpleasant protests | | | |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 20:39 - Sep 8 with 603 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 13:28 - Sep 8 by Ryorry |
So according to your judgement there, no-one is allowed to join a thread except on the first day.
The thread started at 10.37am on 5th Sept, a day on which I was on the go with other matters from dawn to midnight. I read it next morning & then posted on it at 10.01am, by which time it had grown to 6 pages The same kind of timeline as thousands of other people's posts on here over decades. Yet it's only me you've chosen to call out. Double standards.
My post was relevant, related to another specific comment by someone else on the thread, mild mannered (not your hyperbolic misrepresentation of "steaming in"). And as I said, the post of sb's that I referenced was him dragging up a post of mine from 10+ years earlier in order to mock me. But according to you that's fine.
Double standards. |
What on earth are you talking about?! I haven't said anything about when anyone's allowed to join a thread. I simply said you hadn't been involved in it, your first interaction was to steam into Stokers about something from years ago!
Your post had nothing to do with the thread, it was just an attack on Stokers. And there was nothing mild about it.
I have no idea or evidence about what he may have posted about you decades - before - the years ago that you're referring to either. I think you've lost the plot. | |
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