| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie 12:09 - Oct 14 with 3107 views | MaySixth |
quite right
cleared at Ipswich Crown Court
he should be guilty though of an incredibly bad shirt/tie combination [Post edited 14 Oct 12:11]
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:15 - Oct 14 with 2323 views | redrickstuhaart |
Quite right?
It was deliberate imo and he was being an idiot. But the landing on someone was not intentional so probably correct as no assault.
Was there a civil claim? Can't see how he can avoid that one if so. |  |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:20 - Oct 14 with 2266 views | BasingstokeBlue |
he should be guilty though of an incredibly bad shirt/tie combination
Where? |  |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:26 - Oct 14 with 2220 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:20 - Oct 14 by BasingstokeBlue |
he should be guilty though of an incredibly bad shirt/tie combination
Where? |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:28 - Oct 14 with 2196 views | football |
Did she get compo though??? | | | |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:28 - Oct 14 with 2201 views | trncbluearmy |
Looking at the vid quite obvious he fell,if he threw himself it had to be proved, complete waste of time and money [Post edited 14 Oct 12:30]
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:31 - Oct 14 with 2165 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:28 - Oct 14 by football |
Did she get compo though??? |
Let’s face it that was all this was ever about.
I remember when it happened and the Town fan was getting interviewed by every paper she could and how she was apparently getting nightmares and was struggling to cope from the incident etc. Don’t want to call BS but it was clearly from the start about her making a few quid. |  |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:33 - Oct 14 with 2147 views | trncbluearmy |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:26 - Oct 14 by eirannach_gorm |
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That's Roy Kent! | | | |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:35 - Oct 14 with 2137 views | Zx1988 |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:28 - Oct 14 by trncbluearmy |
Looking at the vid quite obvious he fell,if he threw himself it had to be proved, complete waste of time and money [Post edited 14 Oct 12:30]
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Both charges ('assault by beating' and 'assault occasioning actual bodily harm') can be proven if the defendant is believed to have acted recklessly as to whether another person may be injured by their actions.
On that basis, I find it a little surprising that he was cleared, but I suspect the stated belief that he didn't know if he slipped or was pushed may have played a part. | |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:35 - Oct 14 with 2124 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:35 - Oct 14 by Zx1988 |
Both charges ('assault by beating' and 'assault occasioning actual bodily harm') can be proven if the defendant is believed to have acted recklessly as to whether another person may be injured by their actions.
On that basis, I find it a little surprising that he was cleared, but I suspect the stated belief that he didn't know if he slipped or was pushed may have played a part. |
Agreed. But a jury... | |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:43 - Oct 14 with 2046 views | WeWereZombies |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:28 - Oct 14 by football |
Did she get compo though??? |
Clegg out !
Wensleydale... |  |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:43 - Oct 14 with 2050 views | Zx1988 |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:35 - Oct 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Agreed. But a jury... |
I feel it's a shame that there isn't better reporting (in the formal legal sense, rather than local news) of cases in general.
I would be very interested to read the closing arguments of the prosecution and defence here, to gain a better understanding of how each side presented their case, and what potential reasoning the jury may have relied upon in reaching their verdict. | |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:48 - Oct 14 with 2011 views | WicklowBlue |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:28 - Oct 14 by football |
Did she get compo though??? |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:56 - Oct 14 with 1966 views | wischip |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:26 - Oct 14 by eirannach_gorm |
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My dad had that shirt in the 1970s. But not the tie. |  | | |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 13:00 - Oct 14 with 1941 views | Dubtractor |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:31 - Oct 14 by The_Romford_Blue |
Let’s face it that was all this was ever about.
I remember when it happened and the Town fan was getting interviewed by every paper she could and how she was apparently getting nightmares and was struggling to cope from the incident etc. Don’t want to call BS but it was clearly from the start about her making a few quid. |
I recall her being very disappointed that the club 'didn't even offer her a cup of tea'.
Ffs.
The bloke is obviously a bellend, and i don't doubt that him landing on her will have been a bit of a shock, but how the fook has this ended up in court? |  |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 13:33 - Oct 14 with 1732 views | baxterbasics |
Guess the problem is proving that going over was deliberate on his part. If the court had no better evidence than we do with the videos posted online, hard to prove. |  |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 13:52 - Oct 14 with 1631 views | Ryorry |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:28 - Oct 14 by trncbluearmy |
Looking at the vid quite obvious he fell,if he threw himself it had to be proved, complete waste of time and money [Post edited 14 Oct 12:30]
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The mere fact of a court appearance would, you hope, deter anyone from doing the same stupid thing deliberately in future, so not a complete waste of time and money if it prevents serious injury. |  |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 13:59 - Oct 14 with 1586 views | mellowblue |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:35 - Oct 14 by Zx1988 |
Both charges ('assault by beating' and 'assault occasioning actual bodily harm') can be proven if the defendant is believed to have acted recklessly as to whether another person may be injured by their actions.
On that basis, I find it a little surprising that he was cleared, but I suspect the stated belief that he didn't know if he slipped or was pushed may have played a part. |
Isn't it about time the charging system was reformed so that there is a charge that fits the occasion. If there was a charge such as negligence causing A.B.H it would be rather more appropriate and have some chance of success. The current charges were never going to stick and am surprised that the C.P.S went ahead with it. | | | |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:02 - Oct 14 with 1563 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 13:59 - Oct 14 by mellowblue |
Isn't it about time the charging system was reformed so that there is a charge that fits the occasion. If there was a charge such as negligence causing A.B.H it would be rather more appropriate and have some chance of success. The current charges were never going to stick and am surprised that the C.P.S went ahead with it. |
That would criminalise mistakes. Logically most car accidents could then be criminally prosecuted etc. intent or mens rea is a crucial part of most criminal offences for obvious reasons. [Post edited 14 Oct 14:02]
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:15 - Oct 14 with 1477 views | mellowblue |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:02 - Oct 14 by redrickstuhaart |
That would criminalise mistakes. Logically most car accidents could then be criminally prosecuted etc. intent or mens rea is a crucial part of most criminal offences for obvious reasons. [Post edited 14 Oct 14:02]
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There is a boundary somewhere between negligence and mistakes and any good lawyer could exploit that, I suppose, but criminal negligence certainly applies in English law, particularly something like manslaughter where often the question of intent is doubtful and manslaughter is used as a fall back position. | | | |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:17 - Oct 14 with 1458 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:15 - Oct 14 by mellowblue |
There is a boundary somewhere between negligence and mistakes and any good lawyer could exploit that, I suppose, but criminal negligence certainly applies in English law, particularly something like manslaughter where often the question of intent is doubtful and manslaughter is used as a fall back position. |
There isn't. Not really. Negligence is almost by definition an error or mistake.
Criminal law already makes recklessness equivalent to intent in certain instances | |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:17 - Oct 14 with 1448 views | MaySixth |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:15 - Oct 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Quite right?
It was deliberate imo and he was being an idiot. But the landing on someone was not intentional so probably correct as no assault.
Was there a civil claim? Can't see how he can avoid that one if so. |
Yes, quite right.
He wasn't deliberately trying to assault anyone. | |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:35 - Oct 14 with 1318 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:17 - Oct 14 by MaySixth |
Yes, quite right.
He wasn't deliberately trying to assault anyone. |
Personally I think it was reckless. But persuading a jury that is the case, beyond reasonable doubt, is tricky. | |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:36 - Oct 14 with 1318 views | mellowblue |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:17 - Oct 14 by redrickstuhaart |
There isn't. Not really. Negligence is almost by definition an error or mistake.
Criminal law already makes recklessness equivalent to intent in certain instances |
I think negligence in many cases goes far beyond mere mistake or error. | | | |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:36 - Oct 14 with 1317 views | Radlett_blue |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:17 - Oct 14 by MaySixth |
Yes, quite right.
He wasn't deliberately trying to assault anyone. |
Another huge waste of court time and money. Yes, the guy was an idiot & probably had a few drinks too many, but this was so unlikely to get a conviction through a jury, and probably rightly so. Juries tend to judge behaviour, rather than focus on the facts. |  |
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| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 14:40 - Oct 14 with 1298 views | ITFC_Essex |
| Maidstone fan cleared of assault on Ipswich fan at FA Cup tie on 12:31 - Oct 14 by The_Romford_Blue |
Let’s face it that was all this was ever about.
I remember when it happened and the Town fan was getting interviewed by every paper she could and how she was apparently getting nightmares and was struggling to cope from the incident etc. Don’t want to call BS but it was clearly from the start about her making a few quid. |
I think we have all had nightmares thanks to that game, nothing to do with anyone falling on us!
Sad thing is, that was the last Ipswich game my late father watched on TV. He was not impressed with that! He passed away not long after and missed the promotion. |  |
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