| Fleming was about to shoot 09:05 - Nov 9 with 1085 views | GeoffSentence |
When Silva hauled him back.
Why isn't that a DOGSO? |  |
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| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:07 - Nov 9 | Garv |
If your CB tries to shoot from 70 yards is that a goal scoring opportunity?
He was miles out. |  |
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| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:20 - Nov 9 | Dennyx4 |
Too far away from goal, with covering defenders, never going to get a red card for that. |  | | |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:49 - Nov 9 | Matt_Netherlands |
More to the point… Fleming was through. Why was he about to shoot from that far out?! |  | | |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:52 - Nov 9 | GeoffSentence |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:07 - Nov 9 by Garv |
If your CB tries to shoot from 70 yards is that a goal scoring opportunity?
He was miles out. |
I'm not buying that argument. He's not a CB and was t 70 yards out. It's a striker 25 yards out with a clear view of goal pulling his leg back to shoot
There's no telling if he would have scored or not but it was definitely a goal scoring opportunity.
I'm not bothered that it wasn't given by the way, don't think it would have changed anything in the remaining time and how well Bournemouth were closing us down defensively. This is just a technical question about why the decision was given as it was. | |
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| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:53 - Nov 9 | GeoffSentence |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:20 - Nov 9 by Dennyx4 |
Too far away from goal, with covering defenders, never going to get a red card for that. |
As per my post above he was 25 yards out, striking distance and he had a clear view of goal. | |
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| Fleming was about to shoot on 10:09 - Nov 9 | mellowblue |
always interpreted it to mean there is a clear path to goal rather than a shooting opportunity where the likely success rate would be quite low. so the other defenders nearby would not make it a red. Yellow did not seem harsh enough, ought to be a sin-bin offence |  | | |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 10:14 - Nov 9 | Dubtractor |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 10:09 - Nov 9 by mellowblue |
always interpreted it to mean there is a clear path to goal rather than a shooting opportunity where the likely success rate would be quite low. so the other defenders nearby would not make it a red. Yellow did not seem harsh enough, ought to be a sin-bin offence |
Both that one, and the rugby tackle on Maeda on the halfway line felt like sin bin offences.
Both really cynical, and preventing really promising situations from playing out, but not at the bar for a red card. |  |
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| Fleming was about to shoot on 11:06 - Nov 9 | DanTheMan |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 10:14 - Nov 9 by Dubtractor |
Both that one, and the rugby tackle on Maeda on the halfway line felt like sin bin offences.
Both really cynical, and preventing really promising situations from playing out, but not at the bar for a red card. |
I genuinely hate it. I hate it almost as much as diving, there's no real punishment of taking a yellow at that stage of the game. |  |
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| Fleming was about to shoot on 11:16 - Nov 9 | Billywitch |
that was an issue in itself. the better option was to play in the man on the right | | | |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 11:21 - Nov 9 | bsw72 |
Because it was not a DOGSO.
The standard expected-goals models put a central shot from around 25 yards at somewhere near 0.03 to 0.04, which works out at three or four goals per hundred attempts. That figure covers every shot from that spot, though, and a fair chunk of long shots get charged down before they reach the keeper. If you take out the blocked ones and look only at clean strikes with nothing in the way, the number rises to around 5 or 6 per cent.
In the stats world, Opta’s equivalent is the “big chance”, meaning a situation where a player would reasonably be expected to score, typically one-on-ones and close-range efforts. These convert at somewhere around 35 to 40 per cent in the Premier League, which puts the 25-yard shot in the speculative category by comparison. |  | | |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 11:26 - Nov 9 | Garv |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:52 - Nov 9 by GeoffSentence |
I'm not buying that argument. He's not a CB and was t 70 yards out. It's a striker 25 yards out with a clear view of goal pulling his leg back to shoot
There's no telling if he would have scored or not but it was definitely a goal scoring opportunity.
I'm not bothered that it wasn't given by the way, don't think it would have changed anything in the remaining time and how well Bournemouth were closing us down defensively. This is just a technical question about why the decision was given as it was. |
I did exaggerate the point, but I think it's valid. You're not getting DOGSO when there's still defenders between yourself and the goal. | |
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| Fleming was about to shoot on 13:04 - Nov 9 | RetroBlue |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 09:52 - Nov 9 by GeoffSentence |
I'm not buying that argument. He's not a CB and was t 70 yards out. It's a striker 25 yards out with a clear view of goal pulling his leg back to shoot
There's no telling if he would have scored or not but it was definitely a goal scoring opportunity.
I'm not bothered that it wasn't given by the way, don't think it would have changed anything in the remaining time and how well Bournemouth were closing us down defensively. This is just a technical question about why the decision was given as it was. |
Quite agree. Had he got that shot off , he’d quite likely have scored. It was a tackle from behind and no attempt to play the ball . It’s a red card all day long …but not for Ipswich Town. |  |
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| Fleming was about to shoot on 13:07 - Nov 9 | unstableblue |
| Fleming was about to shoot on 10:14 - Nov 9 by Dubtractor |
Both that one, and the rugby tackle on Maeda on the halfway line felt like sin bin offences.
Both really cynical, and preventing really promising situations from playing out, but not at the bar for a red card. |
As per your other thread Dubster, The Cherries were masters of really cynical fouls and off the ball actions to stop any town momentum or direct threats on goal
The path to goal had opened up like the Red Sea for Flemming
It must have been a strong tug (matron) because Flemming is a strong guy and he was through into a lot of space in front of goal. |  |
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