| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment 09:06 - Nov 9 with 3844 views | hype313 |
The striker department is more of a concern for me.
Emmerson looks like a decent prospect, but is incredibly raw and it's a tough ask for him to come into a PL campaign and hit the ground running from the off.
Flemming looks like he has all the hallmarks of a solid Championship striker, hence why he has spent 4 of the last 5 seasons in that league.
And Akpom looks hungry, but not sure you'd hang your hat on him to hit double figures.
Luckily we do have goals elsewhere across the forward line and we have proved we can score goals, but yet again we have non firing strikers, something that has been our Achilles heel for a number of seasons now. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 15:22 - Nov 9 | homer_123 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 14:08 - Nov 9 by Wright1 |
Emersonn is the sort of player you sign to be your back up - I am concerned that we might already be seeing signs that the step up, amount of minutes and everything else combined might be starting to grind him down already. |
He was signed as a backup. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 16:16 - Nov 9 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Not sure how it can be more of a concern tbh?
-We are conceding 2PPG
-Second worse Defense in the league
-One of two teams to have not kept a clean sheet
-We have goals in other areas of the pitch
-We are 7th in total "goals for" in the entire PL
-Striker does more than just score, occupies the front two in the system
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Yes, a drop off but no way more of a concern for the reasons above. [Post edited 9 Nov 16:16]
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 16:30 - Nov 9 | ITFCSG |
Flemming and Emersonn are this season's Azon and Egeli.
Stop gap? Yes. Future potential? Maybe.
BUT are they fit for purpose in the PL to plug and play? NO.
If we had Haaland and Isak or even Evanilson then maybe we can stick with our disastrous defence and GK and still manage to outscore the opposition every game. But we don't.
We can't expect Enciso and Palacios to hard carry the entire team throughout 38 games this season. Not feasible. And when they are injured or have off days, what happens? We are royally f00ked. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 16:32 - Nov 9 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 16:30 - Nov 9 by ITFCSG |
Flemming and Emersonn are this season's Azon and Egeli.
Stop gap? Yes. Future potential? Maybe.
BUT are they fit for purpose in the PL to plug and play? NO.
If we had Haaland and Isak or even Evanilson then maybe we can stick with our disastrous defence and GK and still manage to outscore the opposition every game. But we don't.
We can't expect Enciso and Palacios to hard carry the entire team throughout 38 games this season. Not feasible. And when they are injured or have off days, what happens? We are royally f00ked. |
We've scored the same amount of goals as Arsenal. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 17:25 - Nov 9 | ITFCSG |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 16:32 - Nov 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We've scored the same amount of goals as Arsenal. |
Arsenal conceded 5 goals. We conceded 20. One is top and one is 3 points off the bottom 3.
Hardly a good measure to compare ourselves with
And how much you would like to bet that after 38 games they'd have scored more? | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 17:53 - Nov 9 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 17:25 - Nov 9 by ITFCSG |
Arsenal conceded 5 goals. We conceded 20. One is top and one is 3 points off the bottom 3.
Hardly a good measure to compare ourselves with
And how much you would like to bet that after 38 games they'd have scored more? |
Which is exactly my point if you read my reply. That is our main concern, not the striker. | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 17:56 - Nov 9 | HighgateBlue |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:52 - Nov 9 by WolfieAtTheBack |
I rate Emmerson but I don;t want to cement my hopes on him over 38 games, he is just finding his feet.
The solution bearing in mind the only objective is to stay up this season, is to buy or loan in an experienced #9 and pull out a coup like we did with Pala.
I would be going all out to get Icardi, bonkers or not he is a damn find footballer on his day. |
I'm not totally au fait with Icardi's current situation (predicament?), but I believe he's not played since May.
Given how long he's been shunned by Argentina because of his various feuds with other players, I suppose it's possible that he's never annoyed Palacios. That's probably the best thing that can be said about his chance of being a positive influence in the dressing room.
Talented, certainly. But it's a no from me. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 18:43 - Nov 9 | armchaircritic59 |
So put the one guy up front who when appearing at no 9 for clubs and country has done so very well and quite a number of times. I'm talking about Daizen Maeda of course. Much better option then anything else we have. |  | | |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 18:50 - Nov 9 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 17:56 - Nov 9 by HighgateBlue |
I'm not totally au fait with Icardi's current situation (predicament?), but I believe he's not played since May.
Given how long he's been shunned by Argentina because of his various feuds with other players, I suppose it's possible that he's never annoyed Palacios. That's probably the best thing that can be said about his chance of being a positive influence in the dressing room.
Talented, certainly. But it's a no from me. |
A striker with pedigree and experience is required to keep us in this league IMO.
Icardi is a total nutcase but an example of the level required, we must have contacts in the right areas as we signed Palacios. |  | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:24 - Nov 10 | badadski |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 18:50 - Nov 9 by WolfieAtTheBack |
A striker with pedigree and experience is required to keep us in this league IMO.
Icardi is a total nutcase but an example of the level required, we must have contacts in the right areas as we signed Palacios. |
I would quite like to see Emerson playing on the right in the old jon walters role allowing some one else to play high up with him but more central to compete and win the 2nd ball after he has won a flick on or just to provide a bit more coverage higher up the pitch.
Either that or just go back to what was working and allowing us to pick up points at the start of the season, Maeda left and Fatawu right, middle palacios and Lukic or Matusiwa -
also since O'shea been playing central not on the right we have been conceding more silly goals i have noticed. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:58 - Nov 10 | Wright1 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 10:41 - Nov 9 by jas0999 |
It would seem we missed out on our key targets in the summer and Flemming it would seem was a last minute way down the list purchase. I like Emmersonn but we need a striker who can score goals and his return to date isn’t great at all. |
Well it feels like Tammy Abraham was above Flemming on the shopping list - didn't happen for whatever reason. I don't really know what level Tammy is at now - but a fit and motivated Abraham would have been a real statement in my opinion. | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 17:10 - Nov 10 | thebeat |
Emmerson has plenty of potential and has showed glimpses of class but nowhere near the finished article. Flemming was a panic by late in the window. We have failed to bring in a solid established striker consistently in transfer windows over the past few years, the starter who gives you 8 out of 10 every week with an Emmerson coming off the bench. Its been an achilles heel of ours unfortunately | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 17:44 - Nov 10 | LeoMuff |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 17:10 - Nov 10 by thebeat |
Emmerson has plenty of potential and has showed glimpses of class but nowhere near the finished article. Flemming was a panic by late in the window. We have failed to bring in a solid established striker consistently in transfer windows over the past few years, the starter who gives you 8 out of 10 every week with an Emmerson coming off the bench. Its been an achilles heel of ours unfortunately |
Tbf getting a striker in the solid experienced mould is exceptionally hard in the prem, nigh on impossible really. All teams in our position are taking a punt on an Emersonn type, picking up a Flemming who a scored a few in a relegated side, or a crock/lost their way and pray they come good.
There was no excuse last season though. |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 18:32 - Nov 10 | tetchris |
Attracting a top quality striker is one thing but then there is the fee. Delap had a good season at town, then flopped at Chelsea, and now at Nottm Forest but hardly pulling up trees and he cost £45m plus £5m add ons! We would have to sell players in January but I can’t see us bagging enough money from those sales to get a decent striker so might have to try and sign a loanee. After all the money spent in the summer we must be pretty close to the limit of what we are permitted to spend this season?
GON has said he could consider playing with two strikers. Maybe Emmy would benefit from Flemmy playing beside him up top but then you loose Enciso’s flair and unpredictability unless GON plays him alongside Emmy rather than him playing as a 10? | | | |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 18:58 - Nov 10 | hoppy |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 11:58 - Nov 10 by Wright1 |
Well it feels like Tammy Abraham was above Flemming on the shopping list - didn't happen for whatever reason. I don't really know what level Tammy is at now - but a fit and motivated Abraham would have been a real statement in my opinion. |
Abraham has made 11 appearances (4 in the league) and scored 3 goals this season for Villa (2 in the league cup and one in Europe). |  |
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| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 19:21 - Nov 10 | armchaircritic59 |
| Forget the Keeper talk for a moment on 09:40 - Nov 9 by ITFCSG |
For the time being I would experiment playing Maeda as the 9. No harm trying.
He has played as a striker for both Celtic and the Japan National Team before.
Plus he looks much sharper at the moment than either Emersonn, Flemming or Akpom. |
Yep, totally agree, his record at number 9 proves it, especially at a high level for Japan, a little easier at the likes of Celtic. Better player than any of the very recent incumbents. I've posted such in other places. No one's ripped me to shreds, yet! In fact the opposite. We need to play a completely different system and give a few a spell on the bench to accommodate it. I have my own idea. Whatever, some thinking outside the box needs to be done and quickly, unless we want to sleepwalk our way back into the Championship. G O'N says he's adaptable, the question is, how much? | | | |
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