| Brand gets 10 years and 6 months 14:28 - Nov 9 with 1008 views | BasingstokeBlue |
About 7 years until released on license.
Edit: added time so be served until allowed out on license. [Post edited 9 Nov 14:32]
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 15:43 - Nov 9 | BlueBadger |
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 17:32 - Nov 9 | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 15:43 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
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Ask for consent. |
Think his brief needs investigating too. Some of the stuff he has said, and done during the trial, tells me he's cut from a similar cloth.
1. He said it occurred after "fully consensual vaginal intercourse" and "was quite a short... momentary total failure to respect her consent"
2. He argues that being "tipsy" shouldn’t be considered as being vulnerable.
3. The defence barrister now argues the woman who Brand anally raped was "not particularly vulnerable - she must have felt sufficiently confident [going to his house], considering the sort of persona, and the sort of sex he would engage in".
4. These incidents occurred at a point in his career when Brand was very famous, Winter says. He adds that Brand's crimes were connected to that exposure to fame.
Add into all of that, calling the investigative journalist "You B*tch", after the verdict [Post edited 9 Nov 17:35]
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 17:35 - Nov 9 | redrickstuhaart |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 17:32 - Nov 9 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Think his brief needs investigating too. Some of the stuff he has said, and done during the trial, tells me he's cut from a similar cloth.
1. He said it occurred after "fully consensual vaginal intercourse" and "was quite a short... momentary total failure to respect her consent"
2. He argues that being "tipsy" shouldn’t be considered as being vulnerable.
3. The defence barrister now argues the woman who Brand anally raped was "not particularly vulnerable - she must have felt sufficiently confident [going to his house], considering the sort of persona, and the sort of sex he would engage in".
4. These incidents occurred at a point in his career when Brand was very famous, Winter says. He adds that Brand's crimes were connected to that exposure to fame.
Add into all of that, calling the investigative journalist "You B*tch", after the verdict [Post edited 9 Nov 17:35]
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Has to put the clients case and make the arguments. |  |
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 17:38 - Nov 9 | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 17:35 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Has to put the clients case and make the arguments. |
Which of his arguments do you agree with?
You can set out mitigation without victim blaming. | |
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 19:05 - Nov 9 | redrickstuhaart |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 17:38 - Nov 9 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Which of his arguments do you agree with?
You can set out mitigation without victim blaming. |
Absolutely irrelevant to what I said.
And if vulnerability is argued by the other side, he has to address it. Whether you, or I, or he agree with the argument or not. | |
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 19:20 - Nov 9 | J2BLUE |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 17:38 - Nov 9 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Which of his arguments do you agree with?
You can set out mitigation without victim blaming. |
How did you read that and think he agreed? |  | | |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 19:26 - Nov 9 | Dubtractor |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 19:05 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Absolutely irrelevant to what I said.
And if vulnerability is argued by the other side, he has to address it. Whether you, or I, or he agree with the argument or not. |
I'd imagine if you were to review the defence case in pretty much any case along these lines, it would seem pretty appalling, but as you state the role of the defence is to counter the claims made. And that counter will largely be based on the case made to them by the defendant.
The comments he made outside the court are indefensible though. [Post edited 9 Nov 19:26]
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 20:38 - Nov 9 | GlasgowBlue |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 19:26 - Nov 9 by Dubtractor |
I'd imagine if you were to review the defence case in pretty much any case along these lines, it would seem pretty appalling, but as you state the role of the defence is to counter the claims made. And that counter will largely be based on the case made to them by the defendant.
The comments he made outside the court are indefensible though. [Post edited 9 Nov 19:26]
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Brand's father is also a nasty piece of work. Claiming his son was the real victim and that the women were throwing themselves at him. |  |
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 20:59 - Nov 9 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 20:38 - Nov 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Brand's father is also a nasty piece of work. Claiming his son was the real victim and that the women were throwing themselves at him. |
Don't know if you can read this but you're spot on. Brand's father has a lot to answer for, not just during this trial.. He took his son to prostitutes when he was only a kid and forced him to lose his virginity to one. I suspect a lot of Brand's lack of respect for women stems from that. |  |
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| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 21:27 - Nov 9 | catch74 |
| Going to jail for something he didn't do..... on 20:38 - Nov 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Brand's father is also a nasty piece of work. Claiming his son was the real victim and that the women were throwing themselves at him. |
Barred from all the pubs in Farnham when I worked there. Not
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