| Ouch. on 14:20 - Nov 29 with 3003 views | J2BLUE |
That tweet is deliberately misleading. He did not say that his opinion was that Israel did not have the right to exist. |  |
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| Ouch. on 14:24 - Nov 29 with 2981 views | LankHenners |
| Ouch. on 14:20 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
That tweet is deliberately misleading. He did not say that his opinion was that Israel did not have the right to exist. |
Yes, very clearly about an outside body trying to influence our media but no surprise to see the deliberate misleading as that account is set up as a pro-American Conservative, anti-left wing spin device.
Might as well link a video from Donald Trump's account. |  |
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| Ouch. on 14:38 - Nov 29 with 2929 views | giant_stow |
Thanks for the link - off to read it now |  |
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| Ouch. on 14:44 - Nov 29 with 2908 views | ZedRodgers |
I would imagine he's talking about BBC Director General Mark Thompson's licence fee-funded visits to Israel to negotiate an unofficial pro-Israel editorial stance with former PM Ariel Sharon. The fact that the Israeli government would have been lobbying for their right to exist (as opposed to both Israel's and Palestine's right to exist) at this time isn't hard to believe.
Mark Thompson is well known for his reluctance to shine a light on the oppression of Palestine. He barred the BBC from broadcasting the Gaza appeal a few years back, something Tony Benn condemned him for. He's prevented atrocities in which Palestine were the victims from being aired on BBC News and censored pro-Palestinian voices appearing on BBC platforms. |  |
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| Ouch. on 14:47 - Nov 29 with 2892 views | giant_stow |
| Ouch. on 14:44 - Nov 29 by ZedRodgers |
I would imagine he's talking about BBC Director General Mark Thompson's licence fee-funded visits to Israel to negotiate an unofficial pro-Israel editorial stance with former PM Ariel Sharon. The fact that the Israeli government would have been lobbying for their right to exist (as opposed to both Israel's and Palestine's right to exist) at this time isn't hard to believe.
Mark Thompson is well known for his reluctance to shine a light on the oppression of Palestine. He barred the BBC from broadcasting the Gaza appeal a few years back, something Tony Benn condemned him for. He's prevented atrocities in which Palestine were the victims from being aired on BBC News and censored pro-Palestinian voices appearing on BBC platforms. |
(Thanks to ABB - powerful)
Those are pretty heady accusations - I have to ask for some evidence if possible and please. | |
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| Ouch. on 16:00 - Nov 29 with 2802 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ouch. on 14:20 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
That tweet is deliberately misleading. He did not say that his opinion was that Israel did not have the right to exist. |
Indeed. And the point is whether the BBC justifies Israel's illegal and OTT actions against the Palestinians in that way. I haven't read or heard them frame events that way directly but the rationale could easily be the same.
After all, it's the same passive response as our government and anyone else who pretends that they're interested in defending the two-state solution and peace. They're certainly very quick to justify along those lines and remove the need for criticism. |  |
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| Ouch. on 16:04 - Nov 29 with 2798 views | Darth_Koont |
On a side note, ullaa. You need to be much more critical of your sources and how people will frame stuff.
If you take things as read then those who want to steer you have won with almost zero effort and zero need for objective evidence. | |
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| Ouch. on 16:13 - Nov 29 with 2774 views | No9 |
This sort of stuff has done enought o rile Sir Berners-Lee |  | | |
| Ouch. on 16:30 - Nov 29 with 2740 views | Darth_Koont |
Yes, that was very good.
I think the Chief Rabbi's statement has pushed many of the liberal Jews, pro-Palestinian groups and indeed Muslim community representatives into realising how far this has gone and how great the need to fight the main narrative.
Unfortunately, people just aren't looking for these relevant viewpoints to reach some sort of objective balance. Obviously not helped by a UK media that on the whole will just ignore these viewpoints while pushing their own supposedly antiracist credentials.
No-one should take sides on Israel-Palestine or antisemitism vs islamophobia but that's in effect what has happened. Because for our politicians and media, there's more to be gained by being pro-Israel and little to lose in being anti-Muslim. | |
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| Ouch. on 16:46 - Nov 29 with 2695 views | giant_stow |
| Ouch. on 14:20 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
That tweet is deliberately misleading. He did not say that his opinion was that Israel did not have the right to exist. |
Sorry for disappearing. Nope he didn't say that, but does appear to be *complaining* about bias and preasure on the bbc to acknowledge Isreals right to exist and security concerns. My quesiton would be: aren't those fair enough and not to be complained about? | |
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| Ouch. on 16:48 - Nov 29 with 2685 views | giant_stow |
| Ouch. on 16:04 - Nov 29 by Darth_Koont |
On a side note, ullaa. You need to be much more critical of your sources and how people will frame stuff.
If you take things as read then those who want to steer you have won with almost zero effort and zero need for objective evidence. |
I accept that everyone must be careful and take the poster above's word that the twitter account is iffy. But. the primary soruce is the interview itself, not the twitter account.
Likewise, the Spectator may be partisan, but the guy who authored the piece has good credentials to enter this debate and is again the primary source. | |
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| Ouch. on 17:06 - Nov 29 with 2660 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ouch. on 16:46 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
Sorry for disappearing. Nope he didn't say that, but does appear to be *complaining* about bias and preasure on the bbc to acknowledge Isreals right to exist and security concerns. My quesiton would be: aren't those fair enough and not to be complained about? |
There's a context to "the right to exist". Objectively yes. But when the right to exist is used to justify others' rights being reduced or even taken away then it's a very difficult subject.
Imagine the whites in South Africa in the 1970s and 1980s talking about their right to exist. Of course, and I'm glad for my South African cousins who had also had little support for apartheid. But if it's used in defence of apartheid, or even just to muddy the waters, then surely it's problematic?
Nowhere does a two-state solution deny that. In fact, it defines a right to exist. | |
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| Ouch. on 17:07 - Nov 29 with 2656 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ouch. on 16:48 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
I accept that everyone must be careful and take the poster above's word that the twitter account is iffy. But. the primary soruce is the interview itself, not the twitter account.
Likewise, the Spectator may be partisan, but the guy who authored the piece has good credentials to enter this debate and is again the primary source. |
Primary source is an unedited, unframed interview so you can judge what someone actually said. | |
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| Ouch. on 17:18 - Nov 29 with 2632 views | giant_stow |
| Ouch. on 17:07 - Nov 29 by Darth_Koont |
Primary source is an unedited, unframed interview so you can judge what someone actually said. |
Fair dos, on reflection I think you're right there, although there's no suggestion that he didn't say those things is there or that the video is a deep fake? | |
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| Ouch. on 17:23 - Nov 29 with 2603 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ouch. on 17:18 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
Fair dos, on reflection I think you're right there, although there's no suggestion that he didn't say those things is there or that the video is a deep fake? |
All I can say to that is ... Enjoy your weekend! | |
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| Ouch. on 17:35 - Nov 29 with 2574 views | giant_stow |
| Ouch. on 17:23 - Nov 29 by Darth_Koont |
All I can say to that is ... Enjoy your weekend! |
Not with you again - have I said something despicable or stupid?
Otherwise, you too. | |
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| Ouch. on 17:42 - Nov 29 with 2566 views | vapour_trail |
| Ouch. on 14:47 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
(Thanks to ABB - powerful)
Those are pretty heady accusations - I have to ask for some evidence if possible and please. |
Hmm. You appear to be selectively applying your evidence threshold. |  |
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| Ouch. on 17:44 - Nov 29 with 2563 views | giant_stow |
| Ouch. on 17:42 - Nov 29 by vapour_trail |
Hmm. You appear to be selectively applying your evidence threshold. |
How do you mean mr? | |
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| Ouch. on 18:13 - Nov 29 with 2529 views | vapour_trail |
| Ouch. on 17:44 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
How do you mean mr? |
Well you don’t appear to have asked any questions of the reagan battalion prior to publishing their content. | |
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| Ouch. on 18:34 - Nov 29 with 2498 views | giant_stow |
| Ouch. on 18:13 - Nov 29 by vapour_trail |
Well you don’t appear to have asked any questions of the reagan battalion prior to publishing their content. |
I wasn't really interested either way in the medium of the how the video came to me or the accompanying comment - just the video itself. Darth clammed up when I asked him about that (with a genuinely open mind btw) - do you know if it's fake? | |
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| Ouch. on 18:41 - Nov 29 with 2487 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ouch. on 18:34 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
I wasn't really interested either way in the medium of the how the video came to me or the accompanying comment - just the video itself. Darth clammed up when I asked him about that (with a genuinely open mind btw) - do you know if it's fake? |
Corbz has a history of not being able to say whether he supports Israel's right to exist.
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| Ouch. on 18:48 - Nov 29 with 2468 views | BackToRussia |
| Ouch. on 18:41 - Nov 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbz has a history of not being able to say whether he supports Israel's right to exist.
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And the rest of the response? |  |
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| Ouch. on 18:56 - Nov 29 with 2450 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ouch. on 18:48 - Nov 29 by BackToRussia |
And the rest of the response? |
Take Glassers out of his petty party political bubble and he's frighteningly naive.
Or he's not naive at all and and knows exactly what he's doing. | |
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