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Sinister if true 13:50 - May 29 with 3869 viewsBryanPlug

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Sinister if true on 13:56 - May 29 with 2761 viewsmonytowbray

What's the evidence for him being a plant?

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Sinister if true on 14:00 - May 29 with 2734 viewsBryanPlug

Sinister if true on 13:56 - May 29 by monytowbray

What's the evidence for him being a plant?


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Sinister if true on 14:26 - May 29 with 2601 viewsGuthrum

Sinister if true on 14:00 - May 29 by BryanPlug

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Not sure that's terribly conclusive. With the mask and helmet, very difficult to tie the pics together. He's named by people who claim to knw him, but that could equally be false internet rumours.

With the get-up, the brolly and the way he's acting (in font of cameras), he's also making himself stand out rather too much for an agent provocateur. They're supposed to incite others to act, not be the only one doing it.

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Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 with 2570 viewssparks

Sinister if true on 14:00 - May 29 by BryanPlug

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This is how unfounded rumorus and conspiracy theories start, and how innocent people get hurt. The internet has a lot to answer for.

Is it impossible? No.

Will large numbers of people accept a few tweets and bare assertions ot be good enough to reach conclusions on? Regrettably- yes.

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Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 with 2561 viewslowhouseblue

"people are saying."

hmmmm.

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Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 with 2571 viewsBryanPlug

Sinister if true on 14:26 - May 29 by Guthrum

Not sure that's terribly conclusive. With the mask and helmet, very difficult to tie the pics together. He's named by people who claim to knw him, but that could equally be false internet rumours.

With the get-up, the brolly and the way he's acting (in font of cameras), he's also making himself stand out rather too much for an agent provocateur. They're supposed to incite others to act, not be the only one doing it.


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Sinister if true on 14:31 - May 29 with 2549 viewsBryanPlug

Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 by lowhouseblue

"people are saying."

hmmmm.


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Sinister if true on 14:33 - May 29 with 2529 viewslowhouseblue

Sinister if true on 14:31 - May 29 by BryanPlug

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it's how gossip, rumour and fakery are generally conveyed. 'people are saying' rather than a source or proof.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Sinister if true on 14:37 - May 29 with 2505 viewsGuthrum

Sinister if true on 14:29 - May 29 by BryanPlug

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Not really. The severity of the rioting just draws further attention to the unresolved original incident.

And if it is proven to be a cop doing that, the fallout and consequences would be very considerable.

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Sinister if true on 14:39 - May 29 with 2497 viewsBryanPlug

Sinister if true on 14:33 - May 29 by lowhouseblue

it's how gossip, rumour and fakery are generally conveyed. 'people are saying' rather than a source or proof.


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Sinister if true on 14:39 - May 29 with 2495 viewsBryanPlug

Sinister if true on 14:37 - May 29 by Guthrum

Not really. The severity of the rioting just draws further attention to the unresolved original incident.

And if it is proven to be a cop doing that, the fallout and consequences would be very considerable.


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Sinister if true on 14:45 - May 29 with 2445 viewsGuthrum

Sinister if true on 14:39 - May 29 by BryanPlug

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So if you're trying not to present youselves as a police force utterly out of control (killing people during arrests, or having former officers shoot black joggers), why do something which outright proves it?

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Sinister if true on 14:47 - May 29 with 2431 viewsSwansea_Blue

Whether it's the same guy or not, it doesn't exactly fit the narrative of 'the blacks are rioting again". Very strange behaviour - some well-disguised guy turns up, casually smashed in the windows, very calmly talks to the people around him and then just saunters off. Someone totally in control. Not saying that this is a police officer at all, just it's strange behaviour.

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Sinister if true on 14:49 - May 29 with 2406 viewsSwansea_Blue

Sinister if true on 14:26 - May 29 by Guthrum

Not sure that's terribly conclusive. With the mask and helmet, very difficult to tie the pics together. He's named by people who claim to knw him, but that could equally be false internet rumours.

With the get-up, the brolly and the way he's acting (in font of cameras), he's also making himself stand out rather too much for an agent provocateur. They're supposed to incite others to act, not be the only one doing it.


Besides, the guy on the right is taller

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Sinister if true on 14:51 - May 29 with 2391 viewslowhouseblue

Sinister if true on 14:47 - May 29 by Swansea_Blue

Whether it's the same guy or not, it doesn't exactly fit the narrative of 'the blacks are rioting again". Very strange behaviour - some well-disguised guy turns up, casually smashed in the windows, very calmly talks to the people around him and then just saunters off. Someone totally in control. Not saying that this is a police officer at all, just it's strange behaviour.


but was it a police issue umbrella? or is that a double bluff.

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Sinister if true on 14:51 - May 29 with 2397 viewssparks

Sinister if true on 14:47 - May 29 by Swansea_Blue

Whether it's the same guy or not, it doesn't exactly fit the narrative of 'the blacks are rioting again". Very strange behaviour - some well-disguised guy turns up, casually smashed in the windows, very calmly talks to the people around him and then just saunters off. Someone totally in control. Not saying that this is a police officer at all, just it's strange behaviour.


Could be anyone- but the comments in this thread sum up the problem.

"People are saying its police/ fire brigade spec mask".

Evidence? Do others have access? Would an undercover officer be stupid enough to use a police issue mask?

The time to believe or entertain this stuff is when there is evidence for it. But these things simply get propogated. Like the stuff about covid and hte wuhan lab where substantive rumours and semi-beliefs have grown from utterly fatuous information.

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Sinister if true on 14:58 - May 29 with 2347 viewsGuthrum

Sinister if true on 14:39 - May 29 by BryanPlug

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It's also very similar to masks you can buy from Screwfix.

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Sinister if true on 15:04 - May 29 with 2326 viewsSpruceMoose

Sinister if true on 14:51 - May 29 by sparks

Could be anyone- but the comments in this thread sum up the problem.

"People are saying its police/ fire brigade spec mask".

Evidence? Do others have access? Would an undercover officer be stupid enough to use a police issue mask?

The time to believe or entertain this stuff is when there is evidence for it. But these things simply get propogated. Like the stuff about covid and hte wuhan lab where substantive rumours and semi-beliefs have grown from utterly fatuous information.


Indeed. There is enough evidence of the massive levels of violence and corruption being committed by various US police forces that there's no need to go undermining genuine abuses by floating these conspiracy theories.

Show me the evidence. Like video of a man being suffocated to death. Then I'll sit up and listen.

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Sinister if true on 15:05 - May 29 with 2326 viewsGuthrum

Sinister if true on 14:47 - May 29 by Swansea_Blue

Whether it's the same guy or not, it doesn't exactly fit the narrative of 'the blacks are rioting again". Very strange behaviour - some well-disguised guy turns up, casually smashed in the windows, very calmly talks to the people around him and then just saunters off. Someone totally in control. Not saying that this is a police officer at all, just it's strange behaviour.


There are other people than the cops who might want to incite violence. Criminals, for personal gain from looting. "Anarchists"*, seeking to bring on the revolution or just wanting to fight the police. Youths out for a bit of vandalism while law and order has broken down (c.f. the UK riots of a few years ago).

Indeed, given the safety of their officers is under threat, you'd think the police would want to minimise violence.


* In the media sense, not the political one.

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Sinister if true on 15:07 - May 29 with 2315 viewsBryanPlug

Sinister if true on 15:04 - May 29 by SpruceMoose

Indeed. There is enough evidence of the massive levels of violence and corruption being committed by various US police forces that there's no need to go undermining genuine abuses by floating these conspiracy theories.

Show me the evidence. Like video of a man being suffocated to death. Then I'll sit up and listen.


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Sinister if true on 15:11 - May 29 with 2300 viewsBryanPlug

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Sinister if true on 15:12 - May 29 with 2284 viewssparks

Sinister if true on 15:07 - May 29 by BryanPlug

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Is this case finished, or are the police being investigated...?

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Sinister if true on 15:18 - May 29 with 2258 viewsLibero

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Sinister if true on 15:18 - May 29 with 2252 viewsSpruceMoose

Sinister if true on 15:07 - May 29 by BryanPlug

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I expect the four officers who killed George Floyd will be offered up as a sacrifice, a limp effort to demonstrate that the problem is being tackled, but institutional racism will continue as usual.

It's not that there's more racism these days, it's that more of it is being filmed.

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Sinister if true on 15:23 - May 29 with 2222 viewsSwansea_Blue

Sinister if true on 15:05 - May 29 by Guthrum

There are other people than the cops who might want to incite violence. Criminals, for personal gain from looting. "Anarchists"*, seeking to bring on the revolution or just wanting to fight the police. Youths out for a bit of vandalism while law and order has broken down (c.f. the UK riots of a few years ago).

Indeed, given the safety of their officers is under threat, you'd think the police would want to minimise violence.


* In the media sense, not the political one.


I was thinking 'professional' protester rather than police. This could easily be someone who's got a grudge to bear against the black community and may have done stuff like this before. They're no stranger to violence whoever it is - they look well prepared and practiced.

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