| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times 11:19 - Jul 6 with 1462 views | hampstead_blue |
Interesting longish read.
Seemed to lead us to think that a centre of virology in Wuhan had a virus from 2010/12 which was all but C-19 and then said it wasn't.
Do I recall Trump saying it came from a lab in Wuhan?
The article was really interesting. Cave bats, dead miners, super secret facilities without any means of checking, samples bought back.
I'd like to hear more but it's left a little plume of smoke over bats and old copper mines. |  |
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 11:24 - Jul 6 with 1427 views | sparks |
Unless its something new- this was all debunked quite thoroughly by Potholer on Youtube... |  |
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 11:31 - Jul 6 with 1393 views | StokieBlue |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 11:24 - Jul 6 by sparks |
Unless its something new- this was all debunked quite thoroughly by Potholer on Youtube... |
Indeed.
Although apparently the Biden's were the source:
It's amazing what some people can internally resolve to be the truth.
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 11:52 - Jul 6 with 1325 views | Swansea_Blue |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 11:31 - Jul 6 by StokieBlue |
Indeed.
Although apparently the Biden's were the source:
It's amazing what some people can internally resolve to be the truth.
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I'd say unbelievable. But we're seeing far too much of this idiocy. |  |
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 12:29 - Jul 6 with 1260 views | davblue |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 11:31 - Jul 6 by StokieBlue |
Indeed.
Although apparently the Biden's were the source:
It's amazing what some people can internally resolve to be the truth.
SB |
We've got more than our fair share or morons, but America must have the most densely populated group of moron's in the world.
Some of the stuff you hear coming out of that country at the moment is frightening, unfortunately it's enabled by the man at the top of the political tree. |  | | |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 12:55 - Jul 6 with 1222 views | matteoblue |
It was a very interesting read. The coincidence of course that is at the centre of the mystery is that China have recently (last five years) established a national centre of virology in Wuhan, then lo and behold this is where the outbreak starts last year. These highly secure establishments which study viruses of a toxic nature are usually only established in trusted countries due to the danger around them, so understandably there has been concern. Britain's one is in Porton Down (only a stone's throw from the 'novichok' incident a few years ago, but let's not get into that other coincidence). The article reported the similarity of a coronavirus that was discovered in 2012 that had killed workers cleaning up an abandoned mine, who had suffered the same symptoms as Covid-19. The virus that was collected from there and stored in Wuhan in 2016 is very similar, but not exactly the same. The question is, could it have made the next step to being the same virus as Covid-19? Scientists seemed to be split on the issue. What is also a problem is how research into the virus deliberately omitted the fact that it had killed the workers and what their symptoms were, in the research papers. |  |
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 12:58 - Jul 6 with 1222 views | itfcjoe |
There's this in podcast form on the Story of our Times podcast which does a good job of illustrating it with a bit more nuance as well - worth a listeb |  |
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 13:05 - Jul 6 with 1193 views | StokieBlue |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 12:55 - Jul 6 by matteoblue |
It was a very interesting read. The coincidence of course that is at the centre of the mystery is that China have recently (last five years) established a national centre of virology in Wuhan, then lo and behold this is where the outbreak starts last year. These highly secure establishments which study viruses of a toxic nature are usually only established in trusted countries due to the danger around them, so understandably there has been concern. Britain's one is in Porton Down (only a stone's throw from the 'novichok' incident a few years ago, but let's not get into that other coincidence). The article reported the similarity of a coronavirus that was discovered in 2012 that had killed workers cleaning up an abandoned mine, who had suffered the same symptoms as Covid-19. The virus that was collected from there and stored in Wuhan in 2016 is very similar, but not exactly the same. The question is, could it have made the next step to being the same virus as Covid-19? Scientists seemed to be split on the issue. What is also a problem is how research into the virus deliberately omitted the fact that it had killed the workers and what their symptoms were, in the research papers. |
You aren't seriously going down the route of backing the idea that the Russian's didn't do the poisoning and it was an accident from Porton Down?
The coincidence is that the targeted victims lived near there, nothing else.
Coincidence is not evidence of causation, in fact it's horrible evidence in any matter.
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 13:11 - Jul 6 with 1172 views | hampstead_blue |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 12:55 - Jul 6 by matteoblue |
It was a very interesting read. The coincidence of course that is at the centre of the mystery is that China have recently (last five years) established a national centre of virology in Wuhan, then lo and behold this is where the outbreak starts last year. These highly secure establishments which study viruses of a toxic nature are usually only established in trusted countries due to the danger around them, so understandably there has been concern. Britain's one is in Porton Down (only a stone's throw from the 'novichok' incident a few years ago, but let's not get into that other coincidence). The article reported the similarity of a coronavirus that was discovered in 2012 that had killed workers cleaning up an abandoned mine, who had suffered the same symptoms as Covid-19. The virus that was collected from there and stored in Wuhan in 2016 is very similar, but not exactly the same. The question is, could it have made the next step to being the same virus as Covid-19? Scientists seemed to be split on the issue. What is also a problem is how research into the virus deliberately omitted the fact that it had killed the workers and what their symptoms were, in the research papers. |
Has anyone ever been to or seen the outside of Porton Down?
If hard security is your thing, you'd get wood!
The problem which was raised by the Chinese facility was a lack of transparency. How do we know if procedures and people employed are sound?
Who reports compliance failures and to whom? I'd imagine you'd be in fear of your life or freedom if you reported, publically, any compliance breach.
I'm not linking the outbreak to the facility and the problems outlined around transparency. I would like to hear more.
If there are any other worthwhile reports please do share. I don't do twitter so get nowt there. | |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 13:14 - Jul 6 with 1169 views | Oldsmoker |
The nutters always come up with a theory that has no basis in fact.
There is no evidence to back it up and therefore no evidence to debunk.
"Prove us wrong" is their call.
As no-one is going to waste time on such nonsense, the 'theory' sticks. |  |
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 14:51 - Jul 6 with 1066 views | itfcjoe |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 13:14 - Jul 6 by Oldsmoker |
The nutters always come up with a theory that has no basis in fact.
There is no evidence to back it up and therefore no evidence to debunk.
"Prove us wrong" is their call.
As no-one is going to waste time on such nonsense, the 'theory' sticks. |
Which part is the theory with no basis in fact? This was a TImes Insight report so not a random YouTube flat earther | |
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 18:07 - Jul 6 with 964 views | Oldsmoker |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 14:51 - Jul 6 by itfcjoe |
Which part is the theory with no basis in fact? This was a TImes Insight report so not a random YouTube flat earther |
It was a generalisation of nut-job conspiracy theories.
eg. there was one about Hillary Clinton running a paedophile ring out of a pizza restaurant.
As far as the Times piece, there has been enough evidence to say it was not engineered in a lab.
For conspiracy nuts, the more denials there are prove its a cover up. | |
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 20:54 - Jul 6 with 907 views | hampstead_blue |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 18:07 - Jul 6 by Oldsmoker |
It was a generalisation of nut-job conspiracy theories.
eg. there was one about Hillary Clinton running a paedophile ring out of a pizza restaurant.
As far as the Times piece, there has been enough evidence to say it was not engineered in a lab.
For conspiracy nuts, the more denials there are prove its a cover up. |
The piece never mentions the word 'engineered'.
It is very specific in that it talks about a virus 96% similar was bought back to Wuhan in 2012.
It would be nice for us to be able to post an image from a phone as I would take snaps to share. It's always better to read from source. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 20:56 - Jul 6 with 899 views | sparks |
| C-19 source piece. Sunday Times on 20:54 - Jul 6 by hampstead_blue |
The piece never mentions the word 'engineered'.
It is very specific in that it talks about a virus 96% similar was bought back to Wuhan in 2012.
It would be nice for us to be able to post an image from a phone as I would take snaps to share. It's always better to read from source. |
As the potholer video I referenced above points out- we are 96% + similar to chimps.
It does not mean that we were engineered or even evolved from them. It would be surprising if there werent close genetic similarities between different coronaviruses stemming from similar animals. | |
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