| I'm going early 16:09 - Jul 15 with 2046 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
Because Barnsley, Luton and Hull are going down.
1 Oxford United
2 Barnsley
3 Peterborough United
4 Portsmouth
5 Sunderland
6 Ipswich Town
7 Luton Town
8 Doncaster Rovers
9 Blackpool
10 Bristol Rovers
11 Plymouth Argyle
12 Crewe Alexandra
13 Fleetwood Town
14 Burton Albion
15 Lincoln City
16 Gillingham
17 Hull City
18 Milton Keynes Dons
19 Rochdale
20 Swindon Town
21 Accrington Stanley
22 Shrewsbury Town
23 Northampton Town
24 AFC Wimbledon
There really are some poor sides in the division!
Wimbledon, Northampton, Shrewsbury, Rochdale, Swindon, MK Dons, Accrington, Gillingham, Lincoln, Crewe, Fleetwood … the list goes on. Clubs that could easily fail to see the Championship in the next 20 or 30 years with no danger.
PS - We make 6th because Lambert gets sacked with us 13th in October and Evans (by sheer balance of probabilities) hires a half decent manager after hiring two duds. [Post edited 15 Jul 2020 16:11]
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| I'm going early on 16:31 - Jul 15 with 1937 views | StokieBlue |
Aren't we getting 100 points and 100 goals this season then?
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| I'm going early on 16:32 - Jul 15 with 1925 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“Clubs that could easily fail to see the Championship in the next 20 or 30 years with no danger”
You’d have said exactly the same about Wycombe this time last year |  |
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| I'm going early on 16:33 - Jul 15 with 1918 views | IpswichKnight |
| I'm going early on 16:31 - Jul 15 by StokieBlue |
Aren't we getting 100 points and 100 goals this season then?
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Yes HMS P1ss the league is afloat and is sailing for the Championship and beyond! | | | |
| I'm going early on 16:34 - Jul 15 with 1915 views | gtsb1966 |
I think Luton will be in the top six.... If they come down. |  | | |
| I'm going early on 16:40 - Jul 15 with 1899 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| I'm going early on 16:32 - Jul 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“Clubs that could easily fail to see the Championship in the next 20 or 30 years with no danger”
You’d have said exactly the same about Wycombe this time last year |
You could.
But let's not pretend a club that size getting into the Championship isn't a rarity.
Who have we had get up that far in the last 20 years? Burton? Brentford when they first went up. Bournemouth.
It's not a massive list of clubs as small as half our division next year that go up into the top two tiers. | |
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| I'm going early on 16:51 - Jul 15 with 1870 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I'm going early on 16:40 - Jul 15 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
You could.
But let's not pretend a club that size getting into the Championship isn't a rarity.
Who have we had get up that far in the last 20 years? Burton? Brentford when they first went up. Bournemouth.
It's not a massive list of clubs as small as half our division next year that go up into the top two tiers. |
Yeovil, Luton, Doncaster, Peterborough...
MK Dons are on your own list and were in the Championship 3/4 seasons ago | |
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| I'm going early on 16:54 - Jul 15 with 1859 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| I'm going early on 16:51 - Jul 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Yeovil, Luton, Doncaster, Peterborough...
MK Dons are on your own list and were in the Championship 3/4 seasons ago |
And MK Dons were a Championship / League One yoyo club but now are towards the bottom of this division so I could easily see them staying in the bottom tiers.
Yeovil, Doncaster, Posh fair enough. Luton are a former top flight side that were in the Championship just over a decade ago so not counting them.
That's still only 6 or 7 sides in the last 20 years, including multiple promotions for some teams that's maybe 10-12 of the 60 promotion places.
Whatever way you look at it, there are 12-16 clubs in this division that, if we were even managed remotely competently should have no chance of finishing above us based on resources. [Post edited 15 Jul 2020 16:56]
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| I'm going early on 17:04 - Jul 15 with 1819 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I'm going early on 16:54 - Jul 15 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
And MK Dons were a Championship / League One yoyo club but now are towards the bottom of this division so I could easily see them staying in the bottom tiers.
Yeovil, Doncaster, Posh fair enough. Luton are a former top flight side that were in the Championship just over a decade ago so not counting them.
That's still only 6 or 7 sides in the last 20 years, including multiple promotions for some teams that's maybe 10-12 of the 60 promotion places.
Whatever way you look at it, there are 12-16 clubs in this division that, if we were even managed remotely competently should have no chance of finishing above us based on resources. [Post edited 15 Jul 2020 16:56]
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MK Dons have spent one season in the Championship in their history
Luton were in the conference within the last decade
I make that 10 teams that have been named since 2008/09, plus Scunthorpe who I missed. So 11 of 36 promotion places - so certainly not a rarity | |
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| I'm going early on 17:07 - Jul 15 with 1811 views | BlueBadger |
| I'm going early on 16:32 - Jul 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“Clubs that could easily fail to see the Championship in the next 20 or 30 years with no danger”
You’d have said exactly the same about Wycombe this time last year |
...and us in about 3 years. |  |
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| I'm going early on 17:08 - Jul 15 with 1805 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
Some of them teams look poor, really poor quality next year. Luton under Nathan Jones I think will be the tough test. Posh may struggle without Maddison/Szcmodics and Toney next year.
Town I'm not sure on yet. Talented kids no doubt, but are they going to be able to handle the mens game yet, probably not.
The men in the squad, well they aren't good enough as a whole to get you out of this league. |  |
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| I'm going early on 19:18 - Jul 15 with 1630 views | BlueBadger |
| I'm going early on 17:08 - Jul 15 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Some of them teams look poor, really poor quality next year. Luton under Nathan Jones I think will be the tough test. Posh may struggle without Maddison/Szcmodics and Toney next year.
Town I'm not sure on yet. Talented kids no doubt, but are they going to be able to handle the mens game yet, probably not.
The men in the squad, well they aren't good enough as a whole to get you out of this league. |
I think what most of these teams have over us is managers who are broadly competent. [Post edited 15 Jul 2020 21:57]
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| I'm going early on 21:12 - Jul 15 with 1543 views | Lower_North |
You've clearly been on the sauce (early)
Luton, Fleetwood and Hull are clearly streets ahead of us.
Chuck in the usual under performing results with Doncaster, Blackpool etc we will finish not much better than this one.. | | | |
| I'm going early on 21:13 - Jul 15 with 1534 views | SpruceMoose |
| I'm going early on 16:32 - Jul 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“Clubs that could easily fail to see the Championship in the next 20 or 30 years with no danger”
You’d have said exactly the same about Wycombe this time last year |
And I'm saying that about us this year too! |  |
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| I'm going early on 22:38 - Jul 15 with 1435 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Oxford won't win it; AFC Wimbledon won't finish bottom.
Peterborough, Portsmouth, Sunderland and Town will not make up the play-offs. If one of those 4 is in them that will be about it.
This prediction smacks of learning nothing from the season just gone. We have no divine right, Oxford won't simply do it because they came so close last season; Peterborough, Sunderland and Portsmouth continue to have no divine right. To actually predict the league would take a much closer look at the squads and managers instead of past reputations and budgets.
Assuming Barton stays at Fleetwood I would not expect them to finish in mid-table obscurity. |  |
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| I'm going early on 22:43 - Jul 15 with 1419 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| I'm going early on 22:38 - Jul 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Oxford won't win it; AFC Wimbledon won't finish bottom.
Peterborough, Portsmouth, Sunderland and Town will not make up the play-offs. If one of those 4 is in them that will be about it.
This prediction smacks of learning nothing from the season just gone. We have no divine right, Oxford won't simply do it because they came so close last season; Peterborough, Sunderland and Portsmouth continue to have no divine right. To actually predict the league would take a much closer look at the squads and managers instead of past reputations and budgets.
Assuming Barton stays at Fleetwood I would not expect them to finish in mid-table obscurity. |
What part of me tipping Luton to miss out on the playoffs, Hull to finish nearer the bottom, Crewe and Plymouth to finish top half and Oxford winning the division says I’ve just gone with learning nothing of the season just gone.
That’s how I see it going. Odd. | |
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| I'm going early on 22:46 - Jul 15 with 1410 views | tractordownsouth |
Oxford will be bottom half
Shrewsbury will be top half
Luton will be too 6 if they come down, but I think they’ll survive by beating Hull
Besides that it’s fairly accurate... I think we’ll be 5th-10th, depending on injuries and when Lambert goes |  |
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| I'm going early on 22:50 - Jul 15 with 1397 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I'm going early on 22:43 - Jul 15 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
What part of me tipping Luton to miss out on the playoffs, Hull to finish nearer the bottom, Crewe and Plymouth to finish top half and Oxford winning the division says I’ve just gone with learning nothing of the season just gone.
That’s how I see it going. Odd. |
Probably the bits I did point out rather than the ones you have highlighted. Never mind though, just say it is odd. | |
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