| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. 21:33 - Dec 3 with 3629 views | north_stand77 |
To come out with that statement shows the clubs disconnect with the fans.
Its a shame he couldn't show some proper understanding on what the general mood actually is, rather than appearing to have a slightly patronising tone to the statement. Not helpful. |  | | |  |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:43 - Dec 3 with 3582 views | Bugs |
I don't think there is a chance in hell he would have put that statement out it wasn't for covid keeping the fans from games. He must have known what the reaction to it would be.....it's quite cowardly actually. |  | | |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:44 - Dec 3 with 3563 views | itfcjoe |
It reminds me of the 5 year deal last year, just such an epic misjudgement. |  |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:45 - Dec 3 with 3553 views | PJH |
Yes he has certainly misread/misunderstood the general mood and he would have been better saying nothing rather than making THAT statement. |  | | |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:47 - Dec 3 with 3534 views | mrshallisfit |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:45 - Dec 3 by PJH |
Yes he has certainly misread/misunderstood the general mood and he would have been better saying nothing rather than making THAT statement. |
Not surprised at all by the statement. Evans has been the tumour in the system for a decade now. |  | | |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:47 - Dec 3 with 3524 views | BudapestByBlimp |
He'll know how we feel now - I've never seen this board so united. |  | | |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:49 - Dec 3 with 3513 views | pointofblue |
I do think Be Careful What You Wish For has been thrown in as a touch of bitterness. It was the fans who forced McCarthy out and he’s probably loathed to listen to us again considering how that turned out. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:54 - Dec 3 with 3465 views | strikalite |
I think he thinks that it's probably just a few hundred through social media etc who are rocking the boat, I honestly believe he has no idea how many fans are now actually against him over all this, this is how detached he is from the fanbase, always has been, we've all seen it over the years.. |  | | |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:04 - Dec 3 with 3389 views | 44_not_out |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:49 - Dec 3 by pointofblue |
I do think Be Careful What You Wish For has been thrown in as a touch of bitterness. It was the fans who forced McCarthy out and he’s probably loathed to listen to us again considering how that turned out. |
Yeah, ultimately the fans did force MM out and how I wish we could have mid table obscurity in the Championship.... but, ME’s appointment of Hurst put the club back years. The options that were available at the time could of been so much more dynamic than that little dwarf! | | | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:07 - Dec 3 with 3366 views | pointofblue |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:04 - Dec 3 by 44_not_out |
Yeah, ultimately the fans did force MM out and how I wish we could have mid table obscurity in the Championship.... but, ME’s appointment of Hurst put the club back years. The options that were available at the time could of been so much more dynamic than that little dwarf! |
Let’s not change history though - most of us were supportive of someone like Hurst taking over. If it wasn’t him it was Ross or Kuqi. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:19 - Dec 3 with 3286 views | 44_not_out |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:07 - Dec 3 by pointofblue |
Let’s not change history though - most of us were supportive of someone like Hurst taking over. If it wasn’t him it was Ross or Kuqi. |
‘Most’ of us??? I wasn’t, I could tell what he was like after his first interview. He was a rabbit in the headlights. It could’ve have been Ross or Kuqi but it also could’ve been Lampard, Gerrard or Scott Parker.... but that would’ve meant investment
ME decided the cheap option and then sanctioned the selling of Webster, Waghorn etc.
ME certainly was not careful in what he wished for! | | | |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:20 - Dec 3 with 3272 views | pointofblue |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:19 - Dec 3 by 44_not_out |
‘Most’ of us??? I wasn’t, I could tell what he was like after his first interview. He was a rabbit in the headlights. It could’ve have been Ross or Kuqi but it also could’ve been Lampard, Gerrard or Scott Parker.... but that would’ve meant investment
ME decided the cheap option and then sanctioned the selling of Webster, Waghorn etc.
ME certainly was not careful in what he wished for! |
Yes, most of us. Not all but most wanted a young, upcoming manager to take over and Hurst, with relative success at a lower level, fit the bill. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:24 - Dec 3 with 3249 views | Plums |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:07 - Dec 3 by pointofblue |
Let’s not change history though - most of us were supportive of someone like Hurst taking over. If it wasn’t him it was Ross or Kuqi. |
That’s fair. I also think very few if any of us saw Lambert coming. It was a surprise appointment but, despite his record and history, most of us got behind him but could see it was going wrong by December last year. Marcus’ CWYWF statement is a contradictory condemnation of his own decisions since Mick. It didn’t have to be like this - HE made it so. |  |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:30 - Dec 3 with 3214 views | 44_not_out |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:20 - Dec 3 by pointofblue |
Yes, most of us. Not all but most wanted a young, upcoming manager to take over and Hurst, with relative success at a lower level, fit the bill. |
Apologies if it seems I’m arguing with you, now is not the time and I think we are united in our overall feeling.
My point is, I agree that a young upcoming Manager was the right direction but Hurst was non league at best who’d had one season of relative success.
What I’m trying to say is there were some really exciting options out there at the time
ME chose the cheap option | | | |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:38 - Dec 3 with 3175 views | pointofblue |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:30 - Dec 3 by 44_not_out |
Apologies if it seems I’m arguing with you, now is not the time and I think we are united in our overall feeling.
My point is, I agree that a young upcoming Manager was the right direction but Hurst was non league at best who’d had one season of relative success.
What I’m trying to say is there were some really exciting options out there at the time
ME chose the cheap option |
Apologies, I agree, I don’t want to argue either - especially at this time.
I do think the overall reception to Hurst’s appointment was positive. Bear in mind he at least had managerial experience; at that point Lampard and Parker, for example, had none. It was a similar appointment to Burley without the connection - a young manager at a lower level being brought in to change the fortunes of the club.
I understand you were against him; in hindsight I wish more of us pushed back because Evans was certainly listening to us more then than he is now. But for the most part the fans did accept him as probably the Manager of the Season in League One. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:50 - Dec 3 with 3129 views | Ryorry |
What epitomises his failings for me is his apparent refusal to address the obvious problems within our Sports Science dept (run by LON - why? what are his qualifications for that role?).
When ME referred to our injury list in that statement, he somehow "forgot" to say that not just this season, but last season & several previous seasons, our injury list has been over and above the norm, esp with the long-term injured, who keep mysteriously failing to recover here, but are able to miraculously rejuvenate, start & play 90 mins when they're transferred to other clubs.
Then this week we learned that our fitness coach (Henry) fell out with PL, left the club, and returned to Scotland, from where he is expected to carry out the role on a *consultancy* basis - from 400 miles away! And ME has said that he's not seeking to replace him! This would be 😂 if it weren't so tragic for the players, ourselves as fans, and the club. It also highlights the irresponsibility, incompetence and lack of care of ME as an owner.
As for him seeing "green shoots" of some kind of long-term attractive playing style, I can only assume that his iFollow simply doesn't work, just like it doesn't work for the majority of fans who paid good money for a broken product (an apt summary of the whole situation for us fans atm). |  |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:23 - Dec 4 with 2841 views | Ryorry |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 21:45 - Dec 3 by PJH |
Yes he has certainly misread/misunderstood the general mood and he would have been better saying nothing rather than making THAT statement. |
I wondered also whether Phil had different options to choose from when it came to deciding which photo should accompany the statement - I mean normally, you'd have thought something neutral, or a firm & determined look would accompany such a statement - but instead we got the really angry scowl! | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:26 - Dec 4 with 2839 views | Dyland |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:50 - Dec 3 by Ryorry |
What epitomises his failings for me is his apparent refusal to address the obvious problems within our Sports Science dept (run by LON - why? what are his qualifications for that role?).
When ME referred to our injury list in that statement, he somehow "forgot" to say that not just this season, but last season & several previous seasons, our injury list has been over and above the norm, esp with the long-term injured, who keep mysteriously failing to recover here, but are able to miraculously rejuvenate, start & play 90 mins when they're transferred to other clubs.
Then this week we learned that our fitness coach (Henry) fell out with PL, left the club, and returned to Scotland, from where he is expected to carry out the role on a *consultancy* basis - from 400 miles away! And ME has said that he's not seeking to replace him! This would be 😂 if it weren't so tragic for the players, ourselves as fans, and the club. It also highlights the irresponsibility, incompetence and lack of care of ME as an owner.
As for him seeing "green shoots" of some kind of long-term attractive playing style, I can only assume that his iFollow simply doesn't work, just like it doesn't work for the majority of fans who paid good money for a broken product (an apt summary of the whole situation for us fans atm). |
Please write to the club and MEG and say exactly this. It's polite and humorous and to the point. |  |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:39 - Dec 4 with 2821 views | Ryorry |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:26 - Dec 4 by Dyland |
Please write to the club and MEG and say exactly this. It's polite and humorous and to the point. |
Why thank you - & OK, will do.
Have since learned btw that LON has a sports science degree (can't recall which Uni, news article on him when he took over general manager role by Phil which I can't find atm). Still don't see how he can be expected to fulfill that & all his other roles as a jack-of-all-trades as well tho, the Sports Science dept. needs a f-t specialist - more cutting corners/false economy from ME there. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:47 - Dec 4 with 2800 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 22:07 - Dec 3 by pointofblue |
Let’s not change history though - most of us were supportive of someone like Hurst taking over. If it wasn’t him it was Ross or Kuqi. |
That's not really the point. The success or failure of the club stands on the decisions Evans and his management team make. Whether the majority of the fans agree with them or not is irrelevant. If they're not willing to make and take responsibility for their decisions they shouldn't be there. If they repeatedly make bad decisions we need them gone too, and someone else in who knows what they're doing. |  |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:49 - Dec 4 with 2793 views | Dyland |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:39 - Dec 4 by Ryorry |
Why thank you - & OK, will do.
Have since learned btw that LON has a sports science degree (can't recall which Uni, news article on him when he took over general manager role by Phil which I can't find atm). Still don't see how he can be expected to fulfill that & all his other roles as a jack-of-all-trades as well tho, the Sports Science dept. needs a f-t specialist - more cutting corners/false economy from ME there. |
Yes I'd rephrase that slightly, the main point is that LON is expected to do too much. Whatever anyone's qualifications, it is evident we are really failing on the fitness front anyway. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:56 - Dec 4 with 2764 views | pointofblue |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:47 - Dec 4 by Swansea_Blue |
That's not really the point. The success or failure of the club stands on the decisions Evans and his management team make. Whether the majority of the fans agree with them or not is irrelevant. If they're not willing to make and take responsibility for their decisions they shouldn't be there. If they repeatedly make bad decisions we need them gone too, and someone else in who knows what they're doing. |
But then with some of the arguments we’re arguing with hindsight. On paper we cannot say the appointment of Hurst was bad from the off (like many of us did with Jewell and Lambert) because it’s what the majority of us wanted. We definitely can and should question how Evans allowed Hurst to run the club and how much freedom he gave in terms of decision making but I wouldn’t blame him for the appointment itself. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 13:04 - Dec 4 with 2745 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:39 - Dec 4 by Ryorry |
Why thank you - & OK, will do.
Have since learned btw that LON has a sports science degree (can't recall which Uni, news article on him when he took over general manager role by Phil which I can't find atm). Still don't see how he can be expected to fulfill that & all his other roles as a jack-of-all-trades as well tho, the Sports Science dept. needs a f-t specialist - more cutting corners/false economy from ME there. |
Doesn't it just reflect that ME wants to be hands on and call all the shots. He just needs a day to day operations manager to make sure his wishes are being carried out? In which case LON could be doing his job well (in Evans' eyes). Which is why I'm uncomfortable with LON being singled out.
I contrast our situation with what's happened down here since new owners came in at Swansea (my only other reference point which people are probably sick of hearing lol). The owners are distant (much as Evans was at the start) but had the sense to keep on Huw Jenkins as CEO/DoF the transition.
Then when his time was up they went out and got Trevor Birch, who had nearly 20 years CEO/DoF experience at Chelsea, Leeds, Everton, plus various senior accountant roles including in dealing with troubled clubs. He left this year and is now DoF at top of the table Spurs.
Then they went and got Julian Winter, who has about 12 years of CEO/DoF roles at Watford, Sheff Utd and Huddersfield. His record is patchy, but he was was CEO during Huddersfield's rise through the Championship and into the PL recently.
The owners obviously sanction spending (but the club is expected to manage within its means), but they keep out of a lot of the strategy and footballing decisions, leaving those to the experienced and proven guys they've brought in to run the club on their behalf. Despite having to cope with significant change after dropping out of the PL it appears to be giving them a reasonably solid, sustainable platform. It seems the opposite of how we are run. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 13:08 - Dec 4 with 2732 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 12:56 - Dec 4 by pointofblue |
But then with some of the arguments we’re arguing with hindsight. On paper we cannot say the appointment of Hurst was bad from the off (like many of us did with Jewell and Lambert) because it’s what the majority of us wanted. We definitely can and should question how Evans allowed Hurst to run the club and how much freedom he gave in terms of decision making but I wouldn’t blame him for the appointment itself. |
Sure we know in hindsight, but it's his job to have judgement and foresight otherwise we keep failing. In fairness he's not alone and many owners make mistakes, and it can't be easy. But just for once it would be nice for him to get it right to give us a chance on the pitch. | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 13:11 - Dec 4 with 2723 views | itfcjoe |
| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 13:04 - Dec 4 by Swansea_Blue |
Doesn't it just reflect that ME wants to be hands on and call all the shots. He just needs a day to day operations manager to make sure his wishes are being carried out? In which case LON could be doing his job well (in Evans' eyes). Which is why I'm uncomfortable with LON being singled out.
I contrast our situation with what's happened down here since new owners came in at Swansea (my only other reference point which people are probably sick of hearing lol). The owners are distant (much as Evans was at the start) but had the sense to keep on Huw Jenkins as CEO/DoF the transition.
Then when his time was up they went out and got Trevor Birch, who had nearly 20 years CEO/DoF experience at Chelsea, Leeds, Everton, plus various senior accountant roles including in dealing with troubled clubs. He left this year and is now DoF at top of the table Spurs.
Then they went and got Julian Winter, who has about 12 years of CEO/DoF roles at Watford, Sheff Utd and Huddersfield. His record is patchy, but he was was CEO during Huddersfield's rise through the Championship and into the PL recently.
The owners obviously sanction spending (but the club is expected to manage within its means), but they keep out of a lot of the strategy and footballing decisions, leaving those to the experienced and proven guys they've brought in to run the club on their behalf. Despite having to cope with significant change after dropping out of the PL it appears to be giving them a reasonably solid, sustainable platform. It seems the opposite of how we are run. |
The problem is that any CEO here wouldn't be empowered anyway, so we are stuck with a part time CEO | |
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| Oh dear, think Marcus Evans has mis- judged how the fans are feeling. on 13:42 - Dec 4 with 2662 views | vanmunt |
I think the saying goes 'Don't p*ss on m and tell me it is raining'. |  | | |
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