| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr 12:02 - Mar 13 with 3014 views | Ryorry |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 12:06 - Mar 13 with 2537 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The government will never let a good crisis go to waste! |  |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 12:11 - Mar 13 with 2514 views | bluelagos |
Anyone who thinks we currently have a right to protest, free from harassment , fines and threat of arrest hasn't been paying attention.
But what limited rights we do have, clearly too much for Priti and her many cheerleaders. |  |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 12:15 - Mar 13 with 2497 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 12:11 - Mar 13 by bluelagos |
Anyone who thinks we currently have a right to protest, free from harassment , fines and threat of arrest hasn't been paying attention.
But what limited rights we do have, clearly too much for Priti and her many cheerleaders. |
But ID cards, mass surveilance and if you don't do anything wrong etc... | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 12:22 - Mar 13 with 2489 views | Ryorry |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 12:11 - Mar 13 by bluelagos |
Anyone who thinks we currently have a right to protest, free from harassment , fines and threat of arrest hasn't been paying attention.
But what limited rights we do have, clearly too much for Priti and her many cheerleaders. |
This is beyond anything we've had previously tho, a really dangerous proposal - if it's deemed the "noise" of future protests can have an "impact" on even one individual, then that march/demo/protest can be cancelled or refused permission to go ahead. That basically means people in the UK will no longer have the right to protest at all.
I'd say this is our currupt current govt. anticipating huge protests later this year directed at them over their Covid (& maybe Brexit too) omnishambles. | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 12:40 - Mar 13 with 2450 views | BlueBadger |
Ladies and gentleman, the Party of Free Speech. |  |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 13:23 - Mar 13 with 2396 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Here's a recent quote from Dominic Raab talking about China's changes to how Hong Kong's leaders are to be chosen,
“This is part of a pattern designed to harass and stifle all voices critical of China's policies"
The irony will be lost on Raab of course. |  |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 13:27 - Mar 13 with 2390 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 12:22 - Mar 13 by Ryorry |
This is beyond anything we've had previously tho, a really dangerous proposal - if it's deemed the "noise" of future protests can have an "impact" on even one individual, then that march/demo/protest can be cancelled or refused permission to go ahead. That basically means people in the UK will no longer have the right to protest at all.
I'd say this is our currupt current govt. anticipating huge protests later this year directed at them over their Covid (& maybe Brexit too) omnishambles. |
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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2021: protest powers factsheet
Updated 10 March 2021
Contents
1. What are we going to do?
2. How are we going to do it?
3. Background
4. Frequently asked questions
Print this page
Ever since the first large-scale Extinction Rebellion protest in April last year I have been talking publicly and with the government about the potential for change to powers and to legislation that would enable the police to deal better with protests in general given that the act that we work to — the Public Order Act — is now very old, [dating to] 1986.
But specifically to deal with protests where people are not primarily violent or seriously disorderly but, as in this instance, had an avowed intent to bring policing to its knees and the city to a halt and were prepared to use the methods we all know they did to do that.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick
1. What are we going to do?
The measures in the Bill will allow the police to take a more proactive approach in managing highly disruptive protests causing serious disruption to the public.
2. How are we going to do it?
Provisions in the Bill will:
Widen the range of conditions that the police can impose on static protests, to match existing police powers to impose conditions on marches
This measure will enable the police to impose conditions such as start and finish times and maximum noise levels on static protests. The police already have the power to impose such conditions on marches.
Broaden the range of circumstances in which police may impose conditions on a protest
This measure will broaden the range of circumstances in which the police can impose conditions on protests, including a single person protest, to include where noise causes a significant impact on those in the vicinity or serious disruption to the running of an organisation. The Home Secretary will have the power, through secondary legislation, to define and give examples of “serious disruption to the life of the community” and “serious disruption to the activities of an organisation which are carried out in the vicinity of the procession/assembly/one-person protest”. These regulation-making powers will clarify ambiguous cases where, if they arise, it would not be clear whether the threshold for the use of such powers have been reached. This will enable the police to make use of their powers with the confidence that they are doing so legally.
Amend the offence relating to the breaching of conditions
This measure will close a loophole which some protesters exploit. Some will cover their ears and tear up written conditions handed to them by the police so that they are likely to evade conviction for breaching conditions on a protest as the prosecution have to prove that the person “knowingly fails to comply with a condition imposed”. The Bill will change the threshold for the offence so that it is committed where a person “knows or ought to have known” that the condition has been imposed.
Restate the common law offence of public nuisance in statute
The Bill will implement a recommendation by the Law Commission to introduce a statutory offence of public nuisance, and repeal the existing common law offence. This will provide clarity to the police and potential offenders, giving clear notice of what conduct is forbidden.
Ensure vehicular entrances to the Parliament Estate remain unobstructed
This measure will enable the police to direct an individual to cease obstructing vehicular entrances to Parliament and make it an offence not to comply with such a direction. This will protect the right of access to the Parliamentary Estate for MPs, Peers and others with business there as recommended in the Joint Committee on Human Rights in their 2020 report on Democracy, freedom of expression and freedom of association: Threats to MPs.
3. Background
Freedom of assembly and freedom of expression are vital rights that the United Kingdom fully supports. The rights of an individual to express their opinion and protest are a cornerstone our democratic society.
There is, and will remain, a balance to be struck between the rights of the protestor and the rights of individuals to go about their daily business. However, there are instances where individuals at a protest behave in a way that causes unjustifiable disruption or distress to others.
In recent years we have seen a significant change in protest tactics which have led to disproportionate amounts of disruption. The current legislation the police use to manage protests (the Public Order Act 1986) was enacted over thirty years ago. The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service has called on the Government to update this ageing legislation to allow the police to safely and effectively manage the highly disruptive protests we see today. The Home Office has therefore engaged with Police Chiefs and commissioned Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services to conduct an inspection into the policing of protests to understand what needs to be to ensure that the police can safely manage highly disruptive protests whilst preserving citizens’ freedoms of expression and assembly.
The Government is proposing several changes in the law which will improve the police’s ability to proactively manage the most disruptive protests, and provide punitive outcomes that reflect the seriousness of offences committed by protesters.
4. Frequently asked questions
4.1 Will these measures undermine freedom of expression?
No, freedom of expression is a cornerstone of British democracy. The majority of protests in the England and Wales are lawful and will be unaffected by these changes.
These measures will balance the rights of protesters with the rights of others to go about their business unhindered. They will achieve this by enabling the police to better manage highly disruptive protests.
4.2 Why are these measures needed?
Existing public order legislation was passed in 1986 and is no longer fit for managing the types of protests we experience today.
The highly disruptive tactics used by some protesters cause a disproportionate impact on the surrounding communities and are a drain on public funds. For example, the Metropolitan Police Service’s cost for policing Extinction Rebellion’s 2019 “April Uprising” in London was over £16 million.
These measures will improve the police’s ability to manage such protests, enabling them to dedicate their resources to keeping the public safe.
4.3 How will protesters’ rights be protected?
When using these, or existing public order powers, the police must act within the law and be able to demonstrate that their use of powers are necessary and proportionate. They must act compatibly with human rights, principally Article 10 (freedom of expression) and Article 11 (freedom of association).
4.4 What conduct will the new public nuisance offence capture?
The new statutory offence of public nuisance will cover the same conduct as the existing common law offence of public nuisance.
The offence captures conduct which endangers the life, health, property or comfort of the public, or to obstruct the public in the exercise or enjoyment of rights common to the public.
Conduct captured will include nuisances such as producing excessive noise or smells, or offensive or dangerous behaviour in public, such as hanging from bridges. |  | | |
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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2021: protest powers factsheet
Updated 10 March 2021
Contents
1. What are we going to do?
2. How are we going to do it?
3. Background
4. Frequently asked questions
Print this page
Ever since the first large-scale Extinction Rebellion protest in April last year I have been talking publicly and with the government about the potential for change to powers and to legislation that would enable the police to deal better with protests in general given that the act that we work to — the Public Order Act — is now very old, [dating to] 1986.
But specifically to deal with protests where people are not primarily violent or seriously disorderly but, as in this instance, had an avowed intent to bring policing to its knees and the city to a halt and were prepared to use the methods we all know they did to do that.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick
1. What are we going to do?
The measures in the Bill will allow the police to take a more proactive approach in managing highly disruptive protests causing serious disruption to the public.
2. How are we going to do it?
Provisions in the Bill will:
Widen the range of conditions that the police can impose on static protests, to match existing police powers to impose conditions on marches
This measure will enable the police to impose conditions such as start and finish times and maximum noise levels on static protests. The police already have the power to impose such conditions on marches.
Broaden the range of circumstances in which police may impose conditions on a protest
This measure will broaden the range of circumstances in which the police can impose conditions on protests, including a single person protest, to include where noise causes a significant impact on those in the vicinity or serious disruption to the running of an organisation. The Home Secretary will have the power, through secondary legislation, to define and give examples of “serious disruption to the life of the community” and “serious disruption to the activities of an organisation which are carried out in the vicinity of the procession/assembly/one-person protest”. These regulation-making powers will clarify ambiguous cases where, if they arise, it would not be clear whether the threshold for the use of such powers have been reached. This will enable the police to make use of their powers with the confidence that they are doing so legally.
Amend the offence relating to the breaching of conditions
This measure will close a loophole which some protesters exploit. Some will cover their ears and tear up written conditions handed to them by the police so that they are likely to evade conviction for breaching conditions on a protest as the prosecution have to prove that the person “knowingly fails to comply with a condition imposed”. The Bill will change the threshold for the offence so that it is committed where a person “knows or ought to have known” that the condition has been imposed.
Restate the common law offence of public nuisance in statute
The Bill will implement a recommendation by the Law Commission to introduce a statutory offence of public nuisance, and repeal the existing common law offence. This will provide clarity to the police and potential offenders, giving clear notice of what conduct is forbidden.
Ensure vehicular entrances to the Parliament Estate remain unobstructed
This measure will enable the police to direct an individual to cease obstructing vehicular entrances to Parliament and make it an offence not to comply with such a direction. This will protect the right of access to the Parliamentary Estate for MPs, Peers and others with business there as recommended in the Joint Committee on Human Rights in their 2020 report on Democracy, freedom of expression and freedom of association: Threats to MPs.
3. Background
Freedom of assembly and freedom of expression are vital rights that the United Kingdom fully supports. The rights of an individual to express their opinion and protest are a cornerstone our democratic society.
There is, and will remain, a balance to be struck between the rights of the protestor and the rights of individuals to go about their daily business. However, there are instances where individuals at a protest behave in a way that causes unjustifiable disruption or distress to others.
In recent years we have seen a significant change in protest tactics which have led to disproportionate amounts of disruption. The current legislation the police use to manage protests (the Public Order Act 1986) was enacted over thirty years ago. The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service has called on the Government to update this ageing legislation to allow the police to safely and effectively manage the highly disruptive protests we see today. The Home Office has therefore engaged with Police Chiefs and commissioned Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services to conduct an inspection into the policing of protests to understand what needs to be to ensure that the police can safely manage highly disruptive protests whilst preserving citizens’ freedoms of expression and assembly.
The Government is proposing several changes in the law which will improve the police’s ability to proactively manage the most disruptive protests, and provide punitive outcomes that reflect the seriousness of offences committed by protesters.
4. Frequently asked questions
4.1 Will these measures undermine freedom of expression?
No, freedom of expression is a cornerstone of British democracy. The majority of protests in the England and Wales are lawful and will be unaffected by these changes.
These measures will balance the rights of protesters with the rights of others to go about their business unhindered. They will achieve this by enabling the police to better manage highly disruptive protests.
4.2 Why are these measures needed?
Existing public order legislation was passed in 1986 and is no longer fit for managing the types of protests we experience today.
The highly disruptive tactics used by some protesters cause a disproportionate impact on the surrounding communities and are a drain on public funds. For example, the Metropolitan Police Service’s cost for policing Extinction Rebellion’s 2019 “April Uprising” in London was over £16 million.
These measures will improve the police’s ability to manage such protests, enabling them to dedicate their resources to keeping the public safe.
4.3 How will protesters’ rights be protected?
When using these, or existing public order powers, the police must act within the law and be able to demonstrate that their use of powers are necessary and proportionate. They must act compatibly with human rights, principally Article 10 (freedom of expression) and Article 11 (freedom of association).
4.4 What conduct will the new public nuisance offence capture?
The new statutory offence of public nuisance will cover the same conduct as the existing common law offence of public nuisance.
The offence captures conduct which endangers the life, health, property or comfort of the public, or to obstruct the public in the exercise or enjoyment of rights common to the public.
Conduct captured will include nuisances such as producing excessive noise or smells, or offensive or dangerous behaviour in public, such as hanging from bridges. |
You need to read the bill, not a PR document. | | | |
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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2021: protest powers factsheet
Updated 10 March 2021
Contents
1. What are we going to do?
2. How are we going to do it?
3. Background
4. Frequently asked questions
Print this page
Ever since the first large-scale Extinction Rebellion protest in April last year I have been talking publicly and with the government about the potential for change to powers and to legislation that would enable the police to deal better with protests in general given that the act that we work to — the Public Order Act — is now very old, [dating to] 1986.
But specifically to deal with protests where people are not primarily violent or seriously disorderly but, as in this instance, had an avowed intent to bring policing to its knees and the city to a halt and were prepared to use the methods we all know they did to do that.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick
1. What are we going to do?
The measures in the Bill will allow the police to take a more proactive approach in managing highly disruptive protests causing serious disruption to the public.
2. How are we going to do it?
Provisions in the Bill will:
Widen the range of conditions that the police can impose on static protests, to match existing police powers to impose conditions on marches
This measure will enable the police to impose conditions such as start and finish times and maximum noise levels on static protests. The police already have the power to impose such conditions on marches.
Broaden the range of circumstances in which police may impose conditions on a protest
This measure will broaden the range of circumstances in which the police can impose conditions on protests, including a single person protest, to include where noise causes a significant impact on those in the vicinity or serious disruption to the running of an organisation. The Home Secretary will have the power, through secondary legislation, to define and give examples of “serious disruption to the life of the community” and “serious disruption to the activities of an organisation which are carried out in the vicinity of the procession/assembly/one-person protest”. These regulation-making powers will clarify ambiguous cases where, if they arise, it would not be clear whether the threshold for the use of such powers have been reached. This will enable the police to make use of their powers with the confidence that they are doing so legally.
Amend the offence relating to the breaching of conditions
This measure will close a loophole which some protesters exploit. Some will cover their ears and tear up written conditions handed to them by the police so that they are likely to evade conviction for breaching conditions on a protest as the prosecution have to prove that the person “knowingly fails to comply with a condition imposed”. The Bill will change the threshold for the offence so that it is committed where a person “knows or ought to have known” that the condition has been imposed.
Restate the common law offence of public nuisance in statute
The Bill will implement a recommendation by the Law Commission to introduce a statutory offence of public nuisance, and repeal the existing common law offence. This will provide clarity to the police and potential offenders, giving clear notice of what conduct is forbidden.
Ensure vehicular entrances to the Parliament Estate remain unobstructed
This measure will enable the police to direct an individual to cease obstructing vehicular entrances to Parliament and make it an offence not to comply with such a direction. This will protect the right of access to the Parliamentary Estate for MPs, Peers and others with business there as recommended in the Joint Committee on Human Rights in their 2020 report on Democracy, freedom of expression and freedom of association: Threats to MPs.
3. Background
Freedom of assembly and freedom of expression are vital rights that the United Kingdom fully supports. The rights of an individual to express their opinion and protest are a cornerstone our democratic society.
There is, and will remain, a balance to be struck between the rights of the protestor and the rights of individuals to go about their daily business. However, there are instances where individuals at a protest behave in a way that causes unjustifiable disruption or distress to others.
In recent years we have seen a significant change in protest tactics which have led to disproportionate amounts of disruption. The current legislation the police use to manage protests (the Public Order Act 1986) was enacted over thirty years ago. The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service has called on the Government to update this ageing legislation to allow the police to safely and effectively manage the highly disruptive protests we see today. The Home Office has therefore engaged with Police Chiefs and commissioned Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services to conduct an inspection into the policing of protests to understand what needs to be to ensure that the police can safely manage highly disruptive protests whilst preserving citizens’ freedoms of expression and assembly.
The Government is proposing several changes in the law which will improve the police’s ability to proactively manage the most disruptive protests, and provide punitive outcomes that reflect the seriousness of offences committed by protesters.
4. Frequently asked questions
4.1 Will these measures undermine freedom of expression?
No, freedom of expression is a cornerstone of British democracy. The majority of protests in the England and Wales are lawful and will be unaffected by these changes.
These measures will balance the rights of protesters with the rights of others to go about their business unhindered. They will achieve this by enabling the police to better manage highly disruptive protests.
4.2 Why are these measures needed?
Existing public order legislation was passed in 1986 and is no longer fit for managing the types of protests we experience today.
The highly disruptive tactics used by some protesters cause a disproportionate impact on the surrounding communities and are a drain on public funds. For example, the Metropolitan Police Service’s cost for policing Extinction Rebellion’s 2019 “April Uprising” in London was over £16 million.
These measures will improve the police’s ability to manage such protests, enabling them to dedicate their resources to keeping the public safe.
4.3 How will protesters’ rights be protected?
When using these, or existing public order powers, the police must act within the law and be able to demonstrate that their use of powers are necessary and proportionate. They must act compatibly with human rights, principally Article 10 (freedom of expression) and Article 11 (freedom of association).
4.4 What conduct will the new public nuisance offence capture?
The new statutory offence of public nuisance will cover the same conduct as the existing common law offence of public nuisance.
The offence captures conduct which endangers the life, health, property or comfort of the public, or to obstruct the public in the exercise or enjoyment of rights common to the public.
Conduct captured will include nuisances such as producing excessive noise or smells, or offensive or dangerous behaviour in public, such as hanging from bridges. |
That's a very long-winded way of saying 'cancel culture is OK if it's people who disagree with government policy'. | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 13:53 - Mar 13 with 2339 views | You_Bloo_Right |
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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2021: protest powers factsheet
Updated 10 March 2021
Contents
1. What are we going to do?
2. How are we going to do it?
3. Background
4. Frequently asked questions
Print this page
Ever since the first large-scale Extinction Rebellion protest in April last year I have been talking publicly and with the government about the potential for change to powers and to legislation that would enable the police to deal better with protests in general given that the act that we work to — the Public Order Act — is now very old, [dating to] 1986.
But specifically to deal with protests where people are not primarily violent or seriously disorderly but, as in this instance, had an avowed intent to bring policing to its knees and the city to a halt and were prepared to use the methods we all know they did to do that.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick
1. What are we going to do?
The measures in the Bill will allow the police to take a more proactive approach in managing highly disruptive protests causing serious disruption to the public.
2. How are we going to do it?
Provisions in the Bill will:
Widen the range of conditions that the police can impose on static protests, to match existing police powers to impose conditions on marches
This measure will enable the police to impose conditions such as start and finish times and maximum noise levels on static protests. The police already have the power to impose such conditions on marches.
Broaden the range of circumstances in which police may impose conditions on a protest
This measure will broaden the range of circumstances in which the police can impose conditions on protests, including a single person protest, to include where noise causes a significant impact on those in the vicinity or serious disruption to the running of an organisation. The Home Secretary will have the power, through secondary legislation, to define and give examples of “serious disruption to the life of the community” and “serious disruption to the activities of an organisation which are carried out in the vicinity of the procession/assembly/one-person protest”. These regulation-making powers will clarify ambiguous cases where, if they arise, it would not be clear whether the threshold for the use of such powers have been reached. This will enable the police to make use of their powers with the confidence that they are doing so legally.
Amend the offence relating to the breaching of conditions
This measure will close a loophole which some protesters exploit. Some will cover their ears and tear up written conditions handed to them by the police so that they are likely to evade conviction for breaching conditions on a protest as the prosecution have to prove that the person “knowingly fails to comply with a condition imposed”. The Bill will change the threshold for the offence so that it is committed where a person “knows or ought to have known” that the condition has been imposed.
Restate the common law offence of public nuisance in statute
The Bill will implement a recommendation by the Law Commission to introduce a statutory offence of public nuisance, and repeal the existing common law offence. This will provide clarity to the police and potential offenders, giving clear notice of what conduct is forbidden.
Ensure vehicular entrances to the Parliament Estate remain unobstructed
This measure will enable the police to direct an individual to cease obstructing vehicular entrances to Parliament and make it an offence not to comply with such a direction. This will protect the right of access to the Parliamentary Estate for MPs, Peers and others with business there as recommended in the Joint Committee on Human Rights in their 2020 report on Democracy, freedom of expression and freedom of association: Threats to MPs.
3. Background
Freedom of assembly and freedom of expression are vital rights that the United Kingdom fully supports. The rights of an individual to express their opinion and protest are a cornerstone our democratic society.
There is, and will remain, a balance to be struck between the rights of the protestor and the rights of individuals to go about their daily business. However, there are instances where individuals at a protest behave in a way that causes unjustifiable disruption or distress to others.
In recent years we have seen a significant change in protest tactics which have led to disproportionate amounts of disruption. The current legislation the police use to manage protests (the Public Order Act 1986) was enacted over thirty years ago. The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service has called on the Government to update this ageing legislation to allow the police to safely and effectively manage the highly disruptive protests we see today. The Home Office has therefore engaged with Police Chiefs and commissioned Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services to conduct an inspection into the policing of protests to understand what needs to be to ensure that the police can safely manage highly disruptive protests whilst preserving citizens’ freedoms of expression and assembly.
The Government is proposing several changes in the law which will improve the police’s ability to proactively manage the most disruptive protests, and provide punitive outcomes that reflect the seriousness of offences committed by protesters.
4. Frequently asked questions
4.1 Will these measures undermine freedom of expression?
No, freedom of expression is a cornerstone of British democracy. The majority of protests in the England and Wales are lawful and will be unaffected by these changes.
These measures will balance the rights of protesters with the rights of others to go about their business unhindered. They will achieve this by enabling the police to better manage highly disruptive protests.
4.2 Why are these measures needed?
Existing public order legislation was passed in 1986 and is no longer fit for managing the types of protests we experience today.
The highly disruptive tactics used by some protesters cause a disproportionate impact on the surrounding communities and are a drain on public funds. For example, the Metropolitan Police Service’s cost for policing Extinction Rebellion’s 2019 “April Uprising” in London was over £16 million.
These measures will improve the police’s ability to manage such protests, enabling them to dedicate their resources to keeping the public safe.
4.3 How will protesters’ rights be protected?
When using these, or existing public order powers, the police must act within the law and be able to demonstrate that their use of powers are necessary and proportionate. They must act compatibly with human rights, principally Article 10 (freedom of expression) and Article 11 (freedom of association).
4.4 What conduct will the new public nuisance offence capture?
The new statutory offence of public nuisance will cover the same conduct as the existing common law offence of public nuisance.
The offence captures conduct which endangers the life, health, property or comfort of the public, or to obstruct the public in the exercise or enjoyment of rights common to the public.
Conduct captured will include nuisances such as producing excessive noise or smells, or offensive or dangerous behaviour in public, such as hanging from bridges. |
You tinker.
You know as well as I do that the language being used here is open enough to allow both the police and the Home Secretary to constrain almost any protest should they choose to.
And I fully expect both the police and ANY Home Secretary to interpret such legislation in a way that allows for maximum constraint. | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:03 - Mar 13 with 2314 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 13:50 - Mar 13 by ZXBlue |
You need to read the bill, not a PR document. |
I have read the bill. To reproduce it on here would be rather silly don't you think. Ok then, which part of the bill do you disagree with?; and please because it suits your argument, don't jump to the conclusion that I support it in its entirety.
On this forum it is seemingly always about 'which side are you on'; I guess i am on ;my side'.
Now of to watch the football - hope you are also. | | | |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:07 - Mar 13 with 2309 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 13:53 - Mar 13 by BlueBadger |
That's a very long-winded way of saying 'cancel culture is OK if it's people who disagree with government policy'. |
You are assuming therefore that our police are politically biased? | | | |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:19 - Mar 13 with 2297 views | bluelagos |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:07 - Mar 13 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
You are assuming therefore that our police are politically biased? |
Yep.
From their actions during the miners strike, at Wapping, spying on trade unionists etc. More recently they have policed numerous demos in ways that clearly demonstrates bias. They are made of people and people have biases.
And we have politicians who are happy to have them do their bidding. Whether that is anti-fracking protests or in their disgusting and illegal actions in prosecuting the stansted 15.
And I've not even touched the surface of the aftermath of Stephen Lawrence's murder and their spying on his family and campaigners.
Poltical? It would be absurd to argue otherwise. | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:25 - Mar 13 with 2279 views | Swansea_Blue |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:03 - Mar 13 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
I have read the bill. To reproduce it on here would be rather silly don't you think. Ok then, which part of the bill do you disagree with?; and please because it suits your argument, don't jump to the conclusion that I support it in its entirety.
On this forum it is seemingly always about 'which side are you on'; I guess i am on ;my side'.
Now of to watch the football - hope you are also. |
It gives the police far greater powers to close down what are currently legitimate peaceful protests. It's just another rights grab and a move towards more authoritarian government. Everyone should be worried about this, even if you think you're on their side (they're not on yours). |  |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:34 - Mar 13 with 2261 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:19 - Mar 13 by bluelagos |
Yep.
From their actions during the miners strike, at Wapping, spying on trade unionists etc. More recently they have policed numerous demos in ways that clearly demonstrates bias. They are made of people and people have biases.
And we have politicians who are happy to have them do their bidding. Whether that is anti-fracking protests or in their disgusting and illegal actions in prosecuting the stansted 15.
And I've not even touched the surface of the aftermath of Stephen Lawrence's murder and their spying on his family and campaigners.
Poltical? It would be absurd to argue otherwise. |
Whow, some tirade, and yes some of which I agree; however there are probably just as many police upset with the government as the same percentage as the rest of the population. To suggest that police in the main would say ' hey they are attacking Boris Johnson or/and Priti Patel lets stop them immediately is preposterous in the least. Cressida Dick needs some help from the law - the government are providing it.
Quoting the miners strike of 35+ years ago is the equivalent of thinking George Dixon is still patrolling the streets of London!
Please though do not think I have not understood your point - indeed the miners issue was one that I was ashamed to have witnessed, and of course racism in the police force as it is in general society is an evil that is taking far too long to put right. | | | |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:43 - Mar 13 with 2252 views | CoachRob |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:34 - Mar 13 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Whow, some tirade, and yes some of which I agree; however there are probably just as many police upset with the government as the same percentage as the rest of the population. To suggest that police in the main would say ' hey they are attacking Boris Johnson or/and Priti Patel lets stop them immediately is preposterous in the least. Cressida Dick needs some help from the law - the government are providing it.
Quoting the miners strike of 35+ years ago is the equivalent of thinking George Dixon is still patrolling the streets of London!
Please though do not think I have not understood your point - indeed the miners issue was one that I was ashamed to have witnessed, and of course racism in the police force as it is in general society is an evil that is taking far too long to put right. |
What weird post!
BL presents some facts which you classify as a 'tirade' and then you propose some weird hypothesis about how the police carry out their duties.
Hope you be fully supporting ecocide laws if and when we get a government again.
Your lot not playing today? |  | | |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:44 - Mar 13 with 2251 views | bluelagos |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:34 - Mar 13 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Whow, some tirade, and yes some of which I agree; however there are probably just as many police upset with the government as the same percentage as the rest of the population. To suggest that police in the main would say ' hey they are attacking Boris Johnson or/and Priti Patel lets stop them immediately is preposterous in the least. Cressida Dick needs some help from the law - the government are providing it.
Quoting the miners strike of 35+ years ago is the equivalent of thinking George Dixon is still patrolling the streets of London!
Please though do not think I have not understood your point - indeed the miners issue was one that I was ashamed to have witnessed, and of course racism in the police force as it is in general society is an evil that is taking far too long to put right. |
Tirade? What sort of snowflake thinks that eh :-)
If you ask a question, you should be content to hear the answer my friend, even if it's not one you were expecting.
And if you are going to hide behind "It was x years ago" you should perhaps read up on the disgraceful prosecutions of the Stansted 15. They were orginally, and quite reasonably charged with aggravated trespass. Those charges were then upped to effectively anti-terrorism charges.
All that at the time the home office was busy with it's "hostile environment". And if you can read up on it, and conclude that decision (Since ruled unlawful and their convictions quashed) wasn't a political one - well, I doubt you would.
And that was over the past few years. So the point stands, the police are indeed political and are open to pressures from politicians. If you think otherwise, you are naive in the extreme. (And I say that without hesitation) [Post edited 13 Mar 2021 14:49]
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:46 - Mar 13 with 2242 views | bluelagos |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:43 - Mar 13 by CoachRob |
What weird post!
BL presents some facts which you classify as a 'tirade' and then you propose some weird hypothesis about how the police carry out their duties.
Hope you be fully supporting ecocide laws if and when we get a government again.
Your lot not playing today? |
My old boss used to say "Don't ask a question you are not prepared to hear the answer to..."
He wasn't wrong :-)
Anyhow - fck all that sh1t - come on the towen! | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:51 - Mar 13 with 2224 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 14:43 - Mar 13 by CoachRob |
What weird post!
BL presents some facts which you classify as a 'tirade' and then you propose some weird hypothesis about how the police carry out their duties.
Hope you be fully supporting ecocide laws if and when we get a government again.
Your lot not playing today? |
I accept your reply fully CoachRob 100%. i might not agree with you but ok.
Here though is the deal. £200 to the charity of your choice if you can prove you have watched more ITFC games, home and away live than I have. This site administrators have my name, address and season ticket number and I of course have 100% proof of my support over many years.
Enjoy the game..... | | | |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 16:33 - Mar 13 with 2170 views | Ryorry |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 13:27 - Mar 13 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Which part of this are you disagreeing with......
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2021: protest powers factsheet
Updated 10 March 2021
Contents
1. What are we going to do?
2. How are we going to do it?
3. Background
4. Frequently asked questions
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Ever since the first large-scale Extinction Rebellion protest in April last year I have been talking publicly and with the government about the potential for change to powers and to legislation that would enable the police to deal better with protests in general given that the act that we work to — the Public Order Act — is now very old, [dating to] 1986.
But specifically to deal with protests where people are not primarily violent or seriously disorderly but, as in this instance, had an avowed intent to bring policing to its knees and the city to a halt and were prepared to use the methods we all know they did to do that.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick
1. What are we going to do?
The measures in the Bill will allow the police to take a more proactive approach in managing highly disruptive protests causing serious disruption to the public.
2. How are we going to do it?
Provisions in the Bill will:
Widen the range of conditions that the police can impose on static protests, to match existing police powers to impose conditions on marches
This measure will enable the police to impose conditions such as start and finish times and maximum noise levels on static protests. The police already have the power to impose such conditions on marches.
Broaden the range of circumstances in which police may impose conditions on a protest
This measure will broaden the range of circumstances in which the police can impose conditions on protests, including a single person protest, to include where noise causes a significant impact on those in the vicinity or serious disruption to the running of an organisation. The Home Secretary will have the power, through secondary legislation, to define and give examples of “serious disruption to the life of the community” and “serious disruption to the activities of an organisation which are carried out in the vicinity of the procession/assembly/one-person protest”. These regulation-making powers will clarify ambiguous cases where, if they arise, it would not be clear whether the threshold for the use of such powers have been reached. This will enable the police to make use of their powers with the confidence that they are doing so legally.
Amend the offence relating to the breaching of conditions
This measure will close a loophole which some protesters exploit. Some will cover their ears and tear up written conditions handed to them by the police so that they are likely to evade conviction for breaching conditions on a protest as the prosecution have to prove that the person “knowingly fails to comply with a condition imposed”. The Bill will change the threshold for the offence so that it is committed where a person “knows or ought to have known” that the condition has been imposed.
Restate the common law offence of public nuisance in statute
The Bill will implement a recommendation by the Law Commission to introduce a statutory offence of public nuisance, and repeal the existing common law offence. This will provide clarity to the police and potential offenders, giving clear notice of what conduct is forbidden.
Ensure vehicular entrances to the Parliament Estate remain unobstructed
This measure will enable the police to direct an individual to cease obstructing vehicular entrances to Parliament and make it an offence not to comply with such a direction. This will protect the right of access to the Parliamentary Estate for MPs, Peers and others with business there as recommended in the Joint Committee on Human Rights in their 2020 report on Democracy, freedom of expression and freedom of association: Threats to MPs.
3. Background
Freedom of assembly and freedom of expression are vital rights that the United Kingdom fully supports. The rights of an individual to express their opinion and protest are a cornerstone our democratic society.
There is, and will remain, a balance to be struck between the rights of the protestor and the rights of individuals to go about their daily business. However, there are instances where individuals at a protest behave in a way that causes unjustifiable disruption or distress to others.
In recent years we have seen a significant change in protest tactics which have led to disproportionate amounts of disruption. The current legislation the police use to manage protests (the Public Order Act 1986) was enacted over thirty years ago. The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service has called on the Government to update this ageing legislation to allow the police to safely and effectively manage the highly disruptive protests we see today. The Home Office has therefore engaged with Police Chiefs and commissioned Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services to conduct an inspection into the policing of protests to understand what needs to be to ensure that the police can safely manage highly disruptive protests whilst preserving citizens’ freedoms of expression and assembly.
The Government is proposing several changes in the law which will improve the police’s ability to proactively manage the most disruptive protests, and provide punitive outcomes that reflect the seriousness of offences committed by protesters.
4. Frequently asked questions
4.1 Will these measures undermine freedom of expression?
No, freedom of expression is a cornerstone of British democracy. The majority of protests in the England and Wales are lawful and will be unaffected by these changes.
These measures will balance the rights of protesters with the rights of others to go about their business unhindered. They will achieve this by enabling the police to better manage highly disruptive protests.
4.2 Why are these measures needed?
Existing public order legislation was passed in 1986 and is no longer fit for managing the types of protests we experience today.
The highly disruptive tactics used by some protesters cause a disproportionate impact on the surrounding communities and are a drain on public funds. For example, the Metropolitan Police Service’s cost for policing Extinction Rebellion’s 2019 “April Uprising” in London was over £16 million.
These measures will improve the police’s ability to manage such protests, enabling them to dedicate their resources to keeping the public safe.
4.3 How will protesters’ rights be protected?
When using these, or existing public order powers, the police must act within the law and be able to demonstrate that their use of powers are necessary and proportionate. They must act compatibly with human rights, principally Article 10 (freedom of expression) and Article 11 (freedom of association).
4.4 What conduct will the new public nuisance offence capture?
The new statutory offence of public nuisance will cover the same conduct as the existing common law offence of public nuisance.
The offence captures conduct which endangers the life, health, property or comfort of the public, or to obstruct the public in the exercise or enjoyment of rights common to the public.
Conduct captured will include nuisances such as producing excessive noise or smells, or offensive or dangerous behaviour in public, such as hanging from bridges. |
Hello Priti, didn't kow you were a Town supporter.
The answer to your question was in my 2nd post on the subject (5th down in the thread timed at 12.22) before you even asked it.
Re your comment to BL re a 35 yr old example of the police & political influence, here's some more recent ones, fill yer boots -
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/10/police-tactics-at-fracking-p
(In case you weren't aware, several members of past tory cabinets were proved to have vested interests, boh directly & indirectly, in fracking, incorporating the fracking companies themselves, other gas & oil global corps, & the financial institutions that support/benefit from them).
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/10/uk-police-let-four-deadlines
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jan/21/fracking-activ
*Scroll down in the 3rd link to get the UK-specific content & relevance -
"Manufacturing "consensus"
In the UK, Scotland Yard's National Domestic Extremism and Disorder Intelligence Unit (which started life as the National Extremism Tactical Co-ordination Unit and later became the National Domestic Extremism Unit), has had a long record of equating the spectre of "domestic extremism" with "single-issue protests, such as animal rights, anti-war, anti-globalisation and anti-GM crops." Apart from animal rights, these movements have been "overwhelmingly peaceful" points out George Monbiot.
This has not prevented the police unit from monitoring almost 9,000 Britons deemed to hold "radical political views," ranging from "anti-capitalists" to "anti-war demonstrators." Increasingly though, according to a Guardian investigation, the unit "is known to have focused its resources on spying on environmental campaigners, particularly those engaged in direct action and civil disobedience to protest against climate change."
Most recently, British police have gone so far as to conduct surveillance of Cambridge University students involved in social campaigns like anti-fracking, education, anti-fascism, and opposition to austerity, despite a lack of reason to suspect criminal activity.
This is no accident. Yesterday, senior Tory and ex-Cabinet minister Lord Deben, chairman of the UK government-sponsored Committee on Climate Change, characterised anyone suggesting that fracking is "devastatingly damaging" as a far-left "extremist," holding "nonsensical" views associated with "Trotskyite" dogma. In contrast, he described "moderate" environmentalists as situated safely in the legitimate spectrum of a "broad range of consensus" across "all political parties."
In other words, if you are disillusioned with the existing party political system and its approach to environmental issues, you are an extremist.
Deben's comments demonstrate the regressive mindset behind the British government's private collaboration with shale gas industry executives to "manage the British public's hostility to fracking," as revealed in official emails analysed by Damien Carrington.
The emails exposed the alarming extent to which government is "acting as an arm of the gas industry," compounding earlier revelations that Department of Energy and Climate Change employees involved in drafting UK energy policy have been seconded from UK gas corporations." | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:01 - Mar 13 with 2111 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
Is this another stick to which to beat the police with?.. it’s not police officers who pass these laws and quite honestly, there are so many limitations to what police can actually do.
As a serving police officer (not in the met) I can certainly vouch for myself and everyone else that I work with.. I couldn’t give a shirt who is in power. I just want to be able to go to work and do a job that makes peoples lives just a little bit less dreadful. The laws in place don’t give police half as much power as the general public think or expect of them |  | | |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:06 - Mar 13 with 2097 views | Ryorry |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:01 - Mar 13 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
Is this another stick to which to beat the police with?.. it’s not police officers who pass these laws and quite honestly, there are so many limitations to what police can actually do.
As a serving police officer (not in the met) I can certainly vouch for myself and everyone else that I work with.. I couldn’t give a shirt who is in power. I just want to be able to go to work and do a job that makes peoples lives just a little bit less dreadful. The laws in place don’t give police half as much power as the general public think or expect of them |
No it is *not* "another stick to which to beat the police with", as I think I made pretty clear in my previous 3 posts on the thread. It is directed purely at this horrifying cabal of corrupt Tories masquerading as a government. | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:09 - Mar 13 with 2084 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:01 - Mar 13 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
Is this another stick to which to beat the police with?.. it’s not police officers who pass these laws and quite honestly, there are so many limitations to what police can actually do.
As a serving police officer (not in the met) I can certainly vouch for myself and everyone else that I work with.. I couldn’t give a shirt who is in power. I just want to be able to go to work and do a job that makes peoples lives just a little bit less dreadful. The laws in place don’t give police half as much power as the general public think or expect of them |
And I imagine that is the case for the majority of serving officers.
The concern though, surely, is the officers in the force who are at a sufficiently senior level. It is they who direct the forces under their command and it is they who come under the influence of politicians. | |
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| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:23 - Mar 13 with 2053 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:06 - Mar 13 by Ryorry |
No it is *not* "another stick to which to beat the police with", as I think I made pretty clear in my previous 3 posts on the thread. It is directed purely at this horrifying cabal of corrupt Tories masquerading as a government. |
Hello Priti, didn't kow you were a Town supporter.
And that kind of statement Ryorry however right or wrong your views may be, is why no mainstream member of public can take you seriously. You spend your entire time preaching to the converted. To be able to convince others of your arguments you need to be more persuasive. | | | |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:31 - Mar 13 with 2027 views | bluelagos |
| While we're on the subject of protests being cancelled - The Policing Bill - grr on 17:01 - Mar 13 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
Is this another stick to which to beat the police with?.. it’s not police officers who pass these laws and quite honestly, there are so many limitations to what police can actually do.
As a serving police officer (not in the met) I can certainly vouch for myself and everyone else that I work with.. I couldn’t give a shirt who is in power. I just want to be able to go to work and do a job that makes peoples lives just a little bit less dreadful. The laws in place don’t give police half as much power as the general public think or expect of them |
But they ask for them... | |
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