| Great money saving idea 20:55 - Apr 25 with 2727 views | GeoffSentence |
Inspired by watching Anna Kendrick in Stowaway.
Midget astronauts.
The rockets and space stations could be smaller, they'd need less fuel. It would make a mission to mars much more practial. I honestly don't know why NASA haven't thought of this before.
Swap out Tim Peake for Peter Dinklage and think of all the resources that could be saved. |  |
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| Great money saving idea on 20:57 - Apr 25 with 2706 views | StokieBlue |
You can extrapolate that to everything though.
If everyone was a midget then everything would only have to be half the size and the worlds resources would go twice as far.
Perhaps a solution to the problems we face?
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| Great money saving idea on 21:13 - Apr 25 with 2661 views | GeoffSentence |
| Great money saving idea on 20:57 - Apr 25 by StokieBlue |
You can extrapolate that to everything though.
If everyone was a midget then everything would only have to be half the size and the worlds resources would go twice as far.
Perhaps a solution to the problems we face?
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I could go with that. Now all we need to do is find a way to shrink people. In a research effor t to further this cause I put in 'stunts your growth' into google and discovered that coffee and gymnastics are both heavily in the frame. So if we feed our kids strong coffee and get them on the high bars, in one generation we will have things sorted.
OK so they'll be wired, but on the other hand they will be very bendy. | |
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| Great money saving idea on 21:20 - Apr 25 with 2646 views | azuremerlangus |
| Great money saving idea on 20:57 - Apr 25 by StokieBlue |
You can extrapolate that to everything though.
If everyone was a midget then everything would only have to be half the size and the worlds resources would go twice as far.
Perhaps a solution to the problems we face?
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But we would also need to shrink the human world to match. That will take some resource so I’m not sure what we will gain in the short term... [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 21:21]
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| Great money saving idea on 21:39 - Apr 25 with 2617 views | StokieBlue |
| Great money saving idea on 21:20 - Apr 25 by azuremerlangus |
But we would also need to shrink the human world to match. That will take some resource so I’m not sure what we will gain in the short term... [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 21:21]
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Recycling.
Everything shrunk is still made of materials that can be reused.
Could get 60000 into Portman Road for a start.
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| Great money saving idea on 22:00 - Apr 25 with 2592 views | factual_blue |
| Great money saving idea on 21:13 - Apr 25 by GeoffSentence |
I could go with that. Now all we need to do is find a way to shrink people. In a research effor t to further this cause I put in 'stunts your growth' into google and discovered that coffee and gymnastics are both heavily in the frame. So if we feed our kids strong coffee and get them on the high bars, in one generation we will have things sorted.
OK so they'll be wired, but on the other hand they will be very bendy. |
Surely if they're regularly dangling from the high bars, they'll be getting longer arms?
This all needs a deal more work. |  |
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| Great money saving idea on 08:48 - Apr 26 with 2506 views | Guthrum |
Jockeys and motor racing drivers. |  |
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| Great money saving idea on 08:51 - Apr 26 with 2499 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Great money saving idea on 20:57 - Apr 25 by StokieBlue |
You can extrapolate that to everything though.
If everyone was a midget then everything would only have to be half the size and the worlds resources would go twice as far.
Perhaps a solution to the problems we face?
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like this?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downsizing_(film) |  | | |
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| Great money saving idea on 09:12 - Apr 26 with 2481 views | Darth_Koont |
Alternatively, do space travel remotely and even virtually if we’re talking outside of our solar system and tiny corner of the galaxy. The nearest star apart from our own sun is 20,000 years away – that can come down of course but even at the speed of light it’s an 8-year round trip.
We’ve got the technology to explore more and more quickly if we abandon the idea of manned space exploration. It’s a ridiculous folly for the most part. |  |
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| Great money saving idea on 10:00 - Apr 26 with 2444 views | StokieBlue |
| Great money saving idea on 09:12 - Apr 26 by Darth_Koont |
Alternatively, do space travel remotely and even virtually if we’re talking outside of our solar system and tiny corner of the galaxy. The nearest star apart from our own sun is 20,000 years away – that can come down of course but even at the speed of light it’s an 8-year round trip.
We’ve got the technology to explore more and more quickly if we abandon the idea of manned space exploration. It’s a ridiculous folly for the most part. |
I'm not sure I agree with this. Robotic exploration is certainly the way forward at the moment but humans are still the most versatile way of exploring pretty much anything because they can work around problems outside the originally envisioned parameters. There is also the thoughts that eventually we will have to live in space in some forms and for some industries (mining will be one). That is a long way off though.
Robots will be the mainstay for a while as you say.
I am not sure what you mean by "virtually" exploring outside our solar system? I don't see how that is exploring, it's just simulation unless I misunderstand what you mean.
As you say, 20000 years is a long time but it's entirely dependent on the engine technology used and what you are trying to achieve. It's possible with existing technology to get a microprobe to Proxima Centauri in about 20 years which would be enough to do a flyby and determine if any planets there were habitable. Obviously it's 4 years for the message to get back but I think people would be happy to wait 25 years to get something like that.
It's not much of course but it's possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot
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| Great money saving idea on 10:02 - Apr 26 with 2434 views | badadski |
They could have not made the film , that would have been the best - they may as well have shown the launch and then put the end - it didn’t finish any better | | | |
| Great money saving idea on 10:12 - Apr 26 with 2419 views | Darth_Koont |
| Great money saving idea on 10:00 - Apr 26 by StokieBlue |
I'm not sure I agree with this. Robotic exploration is certainly the way forward at the moment but humans are still the most versatile way of exploring pretty much anything because they can work around problems outside the originally envisioned parameters. There is also the thoughts that eventually we will have to live in space in some forms and for some industries (mining will be one). That is a long way off though.
Robots will be the mainstay for a while as you say.
I am not sure what you mean by "virtually" exploring outside our solar system? I don't see how that is exploring, it's just simulation unless I misunderstand what you mean.
As you say, 20000 years is a long time but it's entirely dependent on the engine technology used and what you are trying to achieve. It's possible with existing technology to get a microprobe to Proxima Centauri in about 20 years which would be enough to do a flyby and determine if any planets there were habitable. Obviously it's 4 years for the message to get back but I think people would be happy to wait 25 years to get something like that.
It's not much of course but it's possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot
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But in underwater exploration terms, we’re not talking about scuba diving around coral reefs where the human factor is as you describe. We’re talking about ocean floor exploration where we see less and less need to send humans given the sheer difficulties getting them down there.
I think we’re also on the verge of a shift where the old ideas of “conquering by setting foot” are less and less valid, and new generations are entirely comfortable seeing machines and computers as an extension of themselves. Not to mention the nationalist and ideological politics of the space race are largely a thing of the past.
Would be a sign of maturity to see space exploration about knowledge rather than ego, and also that we really, really need to be taking better care of our only home rather than entertaining the fantasy that we have other realistic and habitable options. We really don’t and shouldn’t risk fudging the issue here for technology we don’t have and may not have for hundreds of years. | |
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| Great money saving idea on 10:19 - Apr 26 with 2400 views | StokieBlue |
| Great money saving idea on 10:12 - Apr 26 by Darth_Koont |
But in underwater exploration terms, we’re not talking about scuba diving around coral reefs where the human factor is as you describe. We’re talking about ocean floor exploration where we see less and less need to send humans given the sheer difficulties getting them down there.
I think we’re also on the verge of a shift where the old ideas of “conquering by setting foot” are less and less valid, and new generations are entirely comfortable seeing machines and computers as an extension of themselves. Not to mention the nationalist and ideological politics of the space race are largely a thing of the past.
Would be a sign of maturity to see space exploration about knowledge rather than ego, and also that we really, really need to be taking better care of our only home rather than entertaining the fantasy that we have other realistic and habitable options. We really don’t and shouldn’t risk fudging the issue here for technology we don’t have and may not have for hundreds of years. |
I don't think that a good example. There is clearly no point sending people into the void (which is the equivalent to your deep sea example), a robotic probe is far better. However on the surface of the moon or Mars humans are capable of far more than even our very best robots - there is no equality there and there won't be for quite some time. As with everything, the best tool for the job should be used.
It's happening regardless. NASA are going to be back on the moon semi-permanently from 2028 and then themselves and SpaceX will be heading to Mars from the moon once it's established.
The final paragraph isn't mutually exclusive. Of course we should take better care of the Earth and that is starting to happen (see the recent environmental agreements) but that isn't the only reason to diversify populations. Look at the pandemic over the last year, that could be much worse in the future, there are also many natural disasters which would cause huge issues. I am not talking about anytime soon but over the longer time horizons humans will expand to other places to live.
All this stuff is over 100+ year timescales though.
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| Great money saving idea on 10:27 - Apr 26 with 2380 views | GeoffSentence |
| Great money saving idea on 10:02 - Apr 26 by badadski |
They could have not made the film , that would have been the best - they may as well have shown the launch and then put the end - it didn’t finish any better |
Got to admit that I, like Anna Kendrick and her cannisers, drifted off towards the end.
I would say it was mediocre, the start was OK, the premise was reasonably interesting, but if just wafted about a bit. | |
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| Great money saving idea on 10:34 - Apr 26 with 2368 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Great money saving idea on 20:57 - Apr 25 by StokieBlue |
You can extrapolate that to everything though.
If everyone was a midget then everything would only have to be half the size and the worlds resources would go twice as far.
Perhaps a solution to the problems we face?
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I'm willing to volunteer for the short arse breeding programme in order to make this a reality |  |
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| Great money saving idea on 10:47 - Apr 26 with 2357 views | GeoffSentence |
| Great money saving idea on 10:34 - Apr 26 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I'm willing to volunteer for the short arse breeding programme in order to make this a reality |
Got any particularly dinky dams in mind? | |
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| Great money saving idea on 11:05 - Apr 26 with 2334 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Great money saving idea on 10:47 - Apr 26 by GeoffSentence |
Got any particularly dinky dams in mind? |
No but at a metre 5ft 7 I'm certainly the starting point in making the huma race shorter. Mrs B and T might have something to say about but I'm sure if I explain its to save the world she'll come round. | |
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| Great money saving idea on 11:32 - Apr 26 with 2320 views | Darth_Koont |
| Great money saving idea on 10:19 - Apr 26 by StokieBlue |
I don't think that a good example. There is clearly no point sending people into the void (which is the equivalent to your deep sea example), a robotic probe is far better. However on the surface of the moon or Mars humans are capable of far more than even our very best robots - there is no equality there and there won't be for quite some time. As with everything, the best tool for the job should be used.
It's happening regardless. NASA are going to be back on the moon semi-permanently from 2028 and then themselves and SpaceX will be heading to Mars from the moon once it's established.
The final paragraph isn't mutually exclusive. Of course we should take better care of the Earth and that is starting to happen (see the recent environmental agreements) but that isn't the only reason to diversify populations. Look at the pandemic over the last year, that could be much worse in the future, there are also many natural disasters which would cause huge issues. I am not talking about anytime soon but over the longer time horizons humans will expand to other places to live.
All this stuff is over 100+ year timescales though.
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No, I think ocean-floor expresses the severe physical difficulties and limitations pretty accurately. And even that’s easier to do if we really wanted to.
Manned missions to Mars seem like an old world idea that by the time we actually do it, our technology and imagination will be pushing much further beyond.
Edit: But maybe we should do it, like the Moon landings, to say that we’ve done it. And then just wait for 50+ years until there’s a practical reason for re-visiting. Ironic that this would be manned missions to the next rock but there we are. [Post edited 26 Apr 2021 11:36]
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| Great money saving idea on 11:53 - Apr 26 with 2285 views | StokieBlue |
| Great money saving idea on 11:32 - Apr 26 by Darth_Koont |
No, I think ocean-floor expresses the severe physical difficulties and limitations pretty accurately. And even that’s easier to do if we really wanted to.
Manned missions to Mars seem like an old world idea that by the time we actually do it, our technology and imagination will be pushing much further beyond.
Edit: But maybe we should do it, like the Moon landings, to say that we’ve done it. And then just wait for 50+ years until there’s a practical reason for re-visiting. Ironic that this would be manned missions to the next rock but there we are. [Post edited 26 Apr 2021 11:36]
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Think we will have to disagree on this one.
Reaching the ocean depths is actually just as difficult as space exploration due to the ridiculous pressure down there. Once you are there humans can't get out of their vehicle as they would be instantly crushed - that is not applicable on a foreign body like the Moon or Mars where people can work outside the vehicle so direct human exploration of the deep oceans is actually harder/impossible.
Manned Mars missions are penned by both SpaceX and NASA for within the next 15 years - we will see if they happen I guess.
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| Great money saving idea on 12:04 - Apr 26 with 2267 views | Darth_Koont |
| Great money saving idea on 11:53 - Apr 26 by StokieBlue |
Think we will have to disagree on this one.
Reaching the ocean depths is actually just as difficult as space exploration due to the ridiculous pressure down there. Once you are there humans can't get out of their vehicle as they would be instantly crushed - that is not applicable on a foreign body like the Moon or Mars where people can work outside the vehicle so direct human exploration of the deep oceans is actually harder/impossible.
Manned Mars missions are penned by both SpaceX and NASA for within the next 15 years - we will see if they happen I guess.
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Yeah, no biggie.
I saw a couple of astronomers disagreeing about this and they came to the compromise that robot exploration will tell us more about space but human missions will tell us more about ourselves. Which I think is about right. | |
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| Great money saving idea on 13:33 - Apr 26 with 2233 views | GeoffSentence |
| Great money saving idea on 12:04 - Apr 26 by Darth_Koont |
Yeah, no biggie.
I saw a couple of astronomers disagreeing about this and they came to the compromise that robot exploration will tell us more about space but human missions will tell us more about ourselves. Which I think is about right. |
Uppie for the use of 'no biggie' on a midget astronaut thread. Intentional or not, it deserves it. | |
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| Great money saving idea on 13:54 - Apr 26 with 2208 views | EdwardStone |
| Great money saving idea on 08:48 - Apr 26 by Guthrum |
Jockeys and motor racing drivers. |
And Navy submariners
I met a bunch of submariners at a wedding. Not one over 4' 8'' |  | | |
| Great money saving idea on 13:54 - Apr 26 with 2205 views | Darth_Koont |
| Great money saving idea on 13:33 - Apr 26 by GeoffSentence |
Uppie for the use of 'no biggie' on a midget astronaut thread. Intentional or not, it deserves it. |
Yep. Totally intentional.  | |
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