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Effect of climate change. 07:54 - May 19 with 1852 viewsGuthrum

I can tell you that I haven't ever had to fix so many cases of water leaking in through rooves and walls as I have in the last year. Our houses in the UK are not built/maintained for the excessive wet and dry (which can do the damage rain later finds its way through) as we've been getting recently.

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Effect of climate change. on 07:56 - May 19 with 1833 viewsStokieBlue

If/when the gulf stream ever shifts they aren't designed for the -25C temperatures and snow load we will get every winter as well.

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Effect of climate change. on 09:00 - May 19 with 1716 viewsNthQldITFC

Effect of climate change. on 07:56 - May 19 by StokieBlue

If/when the gulf stream ever shifts they aren't designed for the -25C temperatures and snow load we will get every winter as well.

SB


This site https://www.climatesignals.org/climate-signals/ looks on the face of it to be really handy, with source-linked summaries and agglomerated data. It may be that it exposes some data that wouldn't be available without subscription to the original source. I'd never seen it before, so thought it might be of interest to some.

https://www.climatesignals.org/climate-signals/gulf-stream-system-weakening is the starting point for what SB is talking about. If you thought global warming means everywhere will be a nice little bit warmer, think again.

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Effect of climate change. on 10:09 - May 19 with 1652 viewsCoachRob

For those interested in hysteresis and the possible system states for AMOC.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018GL078104
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Effect of climate change. on 10:34 - May 19 with 1601 viewsWeWereZombies

Effect of climate change. on 09:00 - May 19 by NthQldITFC

This site https://www.climatesignals.org/climate-signals/ looks on the face of it to be really handy, with source-linked summaries and agglomerated data. It may be that it exposes some data that wouldn't be available without subscription to the original source. I'd never seen it before, so thought it might be of interest to some.

https://www.climatesignals.org/climate-signals/gulf-stream-system-weakening is the starting point for what SB is talking about. If you thought global warming means everywhere will be a nice little bit warmer, think again.


As you say, one of the paradoxical effects of Global warming is more severe winters where the North Atlantic Current changes. It can be difficult to separate this out from other factors but I think I have noticed a trend towards colder and wetter winters in the eight years I have lived on the west coast of Scotland.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-marine-atlas-information-national-ma

Looking further afield, the European continent as a whole is suffering from the North Atlantic Oscillation, a weather effect rather than a climate change effect:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/05/05/europe-cold-april-2021/

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Effect of climate change. on 10:45 - May 19 with 1587 viewsitfcjoe

I think the snow has killed it this year - it was so deep and sat on roofs for so long it just got into the walls abover flashings etc

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Effect of climate change. on 10:51 - May 19 with 1578 viewsGuthrum

Effect of climate change. on 10:45 - May 19 by itfcjoe

I think the snow has killed it this year - it was so deep and sat on roofs for so long it just got into the walls abover flashings etc


Tho we didn't get much settled snow on this side of the country - and it's still happeneing. I put it down to the volume and intensity of the rain soaking into and through any weaknesses.

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Effect of climate change. on 10:57 - May 19 with 1550 viewsitfcjoe

Effect of climate change. on 10:51 - May 19 by Guthrum

Tho we didn't get much settled snow on this side of the country - and it's still happeneing. I put it down to the volume and intensity of the rain soaking into and through any weaknesses.


Yep, that certainly isn't helping.

Up here though most we saw came from snow as it sat on flat roofs and parapets and just at levels where water doesn't usually sit.

It's been a brutal year so far weather wise, making things very difficult

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Effect of climate change. on 12:03 - May 19 with 1413 viewsGeomorph

it is all very much relevant to my day job managing/restoring rivers and floodplains in Cumbria. Increased frequency of extreme flooding since late 90s means communities want to seal their rivers in concrete/similar, which just passes the problems on to downstream areas. Folk get twitchy everytime they see a gravel deposit under a bridge. Trying to get the message across that more natural river corridors are more resilient and better ecologically is a painfully slow process... Accelerated coastal roll over (retreat) and damage to defences is also occurring due to probably the combo of sea level rise and intensified storm surge activity... I'm seeing the environmental impacts of CC (and unsustainable land management practises) everywhere TBH
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Effect of climate change. on 12:09 - May 19 with 1398 viewsgiant_stow

One big problem round here has been susbidence from that dry summer a couple of years ago. Loads of cracks in walls as the ground dried out - loads of trees now felled under instructions from insurrence companies.

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Effect of climate change. on 12:14 - May 19 with 1377 viewsGeomorph

Effect of climate change. on 12:09 - May 19 by giant_stow

One big problem round here has been susbidence from that dry summer a couple of years ago. Loads of cracks in walls as the ground dried out - loads of trees now felled under instructions from insurrence companies.


Interesting - yep it's difficult to deal with change that is both towards a more arid climate yet with bigger extreme events (eg floods). Were now having to deal with water company strategic national plans to shift more water from the north (my area) down to the south over future decades - which will have a big impact on environmental change/aquatic systems up here
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Effect of climate change. on 12:15 - May 19 with 1369 viewsgiant_stow

Effect of climate change. on 12:14 - May 19 by Geomorph

Interesting - yep it's difficult to deal with change that is both towards a more arid climate yet with bigger extreme events (eg floods). Were now having to deal with water company strategic national plans to shift more water from the north (my area) down to the south over future decades - which will have a big impact on environmental change/aquatic systems up here


...Sounds pretty momumental as tasks go. Seems like more storage in the south would help too, although how doable that is is over my head.

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Effect of climate change. on 12:32 - May 19 with 1325 viewsStokieBlue

Effect of climate change. on 12:15 - May 19 by giant_stow

...Sounds pretty momumental as tasks go. Seems like more storage in the south would help too, although how doable that is is over my head.


This water movement project is nuts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South%E2%80%93North_Water_Transfer_Project

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Effect of climate change. on 12:34 - May 19 with 1316 viewsHARRY10

Effect of climate change. on 12:15 - May 19 by giant_stow

...Sounds pretty momumental as tasks go. Seems like more storage in the south would help too, although how doable that is is over my head.


Perhaps by having water regarded as a fundamental requirement of society/economy, and therefore treated as such

not as a private cash cow
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Effect of climate change. on 12:36 - May 19 with 1305 viewsGeomorph

Effect of climate change. on 12:32 - May 19 by StokieBlue

This water movement project is nuts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South%E2%80%93North_Water_Transfer_Project

SB


that's the one...
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Effect of climate change. on 12:37 - May 19 with 1302 viewsGeomorph

Effect of climate change. on 12:34 - May 19 by HARRY10

Perhaps by having water regarded as a fundamental requirement of society/economy, and therefore treated as such

not as a private cash cow


totally agree (I work for EA not a water co btw...)
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Effect of climate change. on 13:02 - May 19 with 1243 viewsNthQldITFC

Effect of climate change. on 10:09 - May 19 by CoachRob

For those interested in hysteresis and the possible system states for AMOC.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018GL078104


I've just had one go at absorbing that and failed, but will try again later! Thanks for the link.

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Effect of climate change. on 18:27 - May 19 with 1125 viewsWeWereZombies

Effect of climate change. on 12:09 - May 19 by giant_stow

One big problem round here has been susbidence from that dry summer a couple of years ago. Loads of cracks in walls as the ground dried out - loads of trees now felled under instructions from insurrence companies.


And every tree felled is one less piece of water uptake so that when rain falls then flooding is more likely - the insurance 'industry' really should be nationalised...and very heavily rationalised.

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Effect of climate change. on 18:34 - May 19 with 1112 viewsEdwardStone

Effect of climate change. on 18:27 - May 19 by WeWereZombies

And every tree felled is one less piece of water uptake so that when rain falls then flooding is more likely - the insurance 'industry' really should be nationalised...and very heavily rationalised.


Excellent point

I remember reading an article by George Monbiot a decade ago

He quote a senior Insurance Company exec who said that it would be far cheaper to remove and compensate all the hill farmers in mid Wales than it was to buy the good citizens of Tewkesbury new sofas and carpets every winter

Maybe Brexit will be the catalyst that gets the sheep off, and the trees on, the hills
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Effect of climate change. on 18:56 - May 19 with 1073 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Not just sh1t new build quality then?

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Effect of climate change. on 10:25 - May 21 with 915 viewsGeomorph

Effect of climate change. on 12:09 - May 19 by giant_stow

One big problem round here has been susbidence from that dry summer a couple of years ago. Loads of cracks in walls as the ground dried out - loads of trees now felled under instructions from insurrence companies.


on that subject...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/19/climate-crisis-to-put-millio

sorry if link doesn't work I don't often post them
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Effect of climate change. on 10:45 - May 21 with 890 viewsWeWereZombies

Effect of climate change. on 10:25 - May 21 by Geomorph

on that subject...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/19/climate-crisis-to-put-millio

sorry if link doesn't work I don't often post them


The scale of unplanned development is not restricted to the United Kingdom of course, one of the factors similar to insurance companies thoughtless felling of trees in Britain is the clearance of of mangrove swamps for development on the Gulf Coast in the the United States that made the effects of Hurricane Katrina so much worse:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4393852.stm

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Effect of climate change. on 11:44 - May 21 with 825 viewsStokieBlue

Slightly tangential but still relevant I came across this the other day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia_mine_fire

Absolutely bonkers. Basically a fire started in a coal-seam in a mine in 1962 and will continue to burn for more than another 250 years. It's resulted in two towns being abandoned and levelled due to the toxins being created.

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Effect of climate change. on 15:56 - May 21 with 727 viewsgiant_stow

Effect of climate change. on 10:25 - May 21 by Geomorph

on that subject...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/19/climate-crisis-to-put-millio

sorry if link doesn't work I don't often post them


Interesting and worrying - my borough is on the list, so all adds up.

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