| Who's the monkeys? 21:47 - Sep 2 with 2303 views | Mercian |
I say the a-holes who throw cups and flares. This is what happens when far right neo fascists get into power. They encourage and applaud this behaviour. Orban's Red Shirts, Putin's Hooligans and Trump's Proud Boys. Private militias working to please their leaders. "Stand back and stand by" until I tell you to storm the Bastille. |  | | |  |
| Who's the monkeys? on 21:59 - Sep 2 with 2209 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
As Southgate was very clear on before the match, we still need to get our own house in order and, on a slightly lesser level, much of your reasoning could be applied to the enabling of the racists here too.
Will be interesting what action FIFA take. |  |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 22:03 - Sep 2 with 2179 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Sky have just shown footage clearly identifying one individual. | |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 22:04 - Sep 2 with 2178 views | SitfcB |
| Who's the monkeys? on 21:59 - Sep 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As Southgate was very clear on before the match, we still need to get our own house in order and, on a slightly lesser level, much of your reasoning could be applied to the enabling of the racists here too.
Will be interesting what action FIFA take. |
A shame FIFA didn’t follow UEFA...
A crowd ban should be universal surely. Shouldn’t be dependant on what authority it’s under. |  |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 22:06 - Sep 2 with 2164 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Who's the monkeys? on 22:04 - Sep 2 by SitfcB |
A shame FIFA didn’t follow UEFA...
A crowd ban should be universal surely. Shouldn’t be dependant on what authority it’s under. |
I don't believe it is usual to ban from one competition under one organisation due to actions in another administered by another one.
FIFA now have the ball in their court.
EDIT: Further, banning fans for their other qualifiers would have more impact than having banned them for tonight's too. [Post edited 2 Sep 2021 22:07]
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| Who's the monkeys? on 22:39 - Sep 2 with 2060 views | Mercian |
| Who's the monkeys? on 21:59 - Sep 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As Southgate was very clear on before the match, we still need to get our own house in order and, on a slightly lesser level, much of your reasoning could be applied to the enabling of the racists here too.
Will be interesting what action FIFA take. |
The difference is is that it is condemned here. The same could not be said for Hungary. Their FA may condemn it. Their PM encourages it as do Trump and Putin. A Proud Boys rally to be held in DC later this month will kick off big time, watch this space. | | | |
| Who's the monkeys? on 22:42 - Sep 2 with 2067 views | BlueBadger |
| Who's the monkeys? on 22:39 - Sep 2 by Mercian |
The difference is is that it is condemned here. The same could not be said for Hungary. Their FA may condemn it. Their PM encourages it as do Trump and Putin. A Proud Boys rally to be held in DC later this month will kick off big time, watch this space. |
Its only condemned here when it's so glaringly obvious that our politicians feel obliged to say something about it because it's that or let the mask drop.
A fair few government(several senior figures, including the home secretary) and media figures were more than happy to dog whistle about taking the knee, for example, before and during the tournament.
The best you can say here is 'well, its not as bad as there.'
'Yet'. [Post edited 2 Sep 2021 22:54]
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| Who's the monkeys? on 22:58 - Sep 2 with 2010 views | Herbivore |
| Who's the monkeys? on 22:39 - Sep 2 by Mercian |
The difference is is that it is condemned here. The same could not be said for Hungary. Their FA may condemn it. Their PM encourages it as do Trump and Putin. A Proud Boys rally to be held in DC later this month will kick off big time, watch this space. |
Johnson refused to condemn people booing taking the knee prior to the Euros. Priti Patel described taking the knee as virtue signalling. So yeah, we need to get our own house in order. |  |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 22:59 - Sep 2 with 1991 views | BlueBadger |
| Who's the monkeys? on 22:58 - Sep 2 by Herbivore |
Johnson refused to condemn people booing taking the knee prior to the Euros. Priti Patel described taking the knee as virtue signalling. So yeah, we need to get our own house in order. |
Plus, Johnson has a long history of open racism and homophobia. | |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 00:26 - Sep 3 with 1877 views | HighgateBlue |
| Who's the monkeys? on 21:59 - Sep 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As Southgate was very clear on before the match, we still need to get our own house in order and, on a slightly lesser level, much of your reasoning could be applied to the enabling of the racists here too.
Will be interesting what action FIFA take. |
This is true, and I am a wholehearted supporter both of (i) the players' right to express their views by taking the knee, and (ii) of the point that they are making when they take the knee.
However, where people (with whom I profoundly disagree) decide to boo in order to express a difference of opinion with those who take the knee, I can't see that that is on the same level as monkey chanting. The latter is horrendous horrendous racist abuse and should see any adult perpetrators banned for life in my view. |  | | |
| Who's the monkeys? on 05:59 - Sep 3 with 1754 views | solomon |
I’d like to see a bit more player power here, think it’s time players need to organise their own boycott regardless of the footballing authority involved. The time is right to do this, BLM and taking the knee has put this at the forefront of people’s consciousness, I’d be 100% behind it. |  | | |
| Who's the monkeys? on 06:57 - Sep 3 with 1673 views | Herbivore |
| Who's the monkeys? on 00:26 - Sep 3 by HighgateBlue |
This is true, and I am a wholehearted supporter both of (i) the players' right to express their views by taking the knee, and (ii) of the point that they are making when they take the knee.
However, where people (with whom I profoundly disagree) decide to boo in order to express a difference of opinion with those who take the knee, I can't see that that is on the same level as monkey chanting. The latter is horrendous horrendous racist abuse and should see any adult perpetrators banned for life in my view. |
Where the difference of opinion you're expressing is that you strongly disapprove of an anti-racist gesture then I'd say it's on the same page as monkey chanting. [Post edited 3 Sep 2021 6:57]
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| Who's the monkeys? on 08:13 - Sep 3 with 1483 views | Durovigutum |
I'm old enough to remember England (and English club's) fans marauding through cities, rioting, and killing opposition fans through their actions. I'm glad we've mostly exorcised this problem (although occasional encounters with away fans of some clubs is a timely reminder that vigilance is required) but I suspect bits of Europe wonders if we are valid in taking the moral high ground. |  | | |
| Who's the monkeys? on 09:09 - Sep 3 with 1310 views | HighgateBlue |
| Who's the monkeys? on 06:57 - Sep 3 by Herbivore |
Where the difference of opinion you're expressing is that you strongly disapprove of an anti-racist gesture then I'd say it's on the same page as monkey chanting. [Post edited 3 Sep 2021 6:57]
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Just to be clear, I strongly approve of the anti-racist gesture. | | | |
| Who's the monkeys? on 09:14 - Sep 3 with 1298 views | LankHenners |
| Who's the monkeys? on 00:26 - Sep 3 by HighgateBlue |
This is true, and I am a wholehearted supporter both of (i) the players' right to express their views by taking the knee, and (ii) of the point that they are making when they take the knee.
However, where people (with whom I profoundly disagree) decide to boo in order to express a difference of opinion with those who take the knee, I can't see that that is on the same level as monkey chanting. The latter is horrendous horrendous racist abuse and should see any adult perpetrators banned for life in my view. |
It’s been made explicitly clear why players are taking the knee. If people boo them doing it it’s not to ‘express a difference of opinion’ it’s because they are hostile to the idea of it. In that case, there is simply no conclusion beyond those booing being racist. |  |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 09:30 - Sep 3 with 1247 views | Herbivore |
| Who's the monkeys? on 09:09 - Sep 3 by HighgateBlue |
Just to be clear, I strongly approve of the anti-racist gesture. |
I'm sure you do, as does everyone who isn't a racist. | |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 09:43 - Sep 3 with 1210 views | Pinewoodblue |
Sky placed a reporter in the area it most likely to happed, doubt if players on the pitch knew anything about it until they were told. Odds on this was going to happen.
On the question of punishment suspect FA will receive a stiffer punishment for Euro finals than Hungary do for last night.
All in favour of players setting an example but wish they would do the same regarding Covid vaccinations. Good to see some Town players speaking out about it but would be much better if the club were in a position to say ALl ITFC employees have been fully vaccinated. |  |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 10:12 - Sep 3 with 1131 views | BlueBadger |
| Who's the monkeys? on 00:26 - Sep 3 by HighgateBlue |
This is true, and I am a wholehearted supporter both of (i) the players' right to express their views by taking the knee, and (ii) of the point that they are making when they take the knee.
However, where people (with whom I profoundly disagree) decide to boo in order to express a difference of opinion with those who take the knee, I can't see that that is on the same level as monkey chanting. The latter is horrendous horrendous racist abuse and should see any adult perpetrators banned for life in my view. |
What exactly about a gesture that explicitly says 'there should be less racism in society' upsets you? | |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 10:13 - Sep 3 with 1130 views | BlueBadger |
| Who's the monkeys? on 09:09 - Sep 3 by HighgateBlue |
Just to be clear, I strongly approve of the anti-racist gesture. |
I heard that some of your favourite gestures are anti-racist gestures. | |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 10:55 - Sep 3 with 1088 views | Ryorry |
| Who's the monkeys? on 09:43 - Sep 3 by Pinewoodblue |
Sky placed a reporter in the area it most likely to happed, doubt if players on the pitch knew anything about it until they were told. Odds on this was going to happen.
On the question of punishment suspect FA will receive a stiffer punishment for Euro finals than Hungary do for last night.
All in favour of players setting an example but wish they would do the same regarding Covid vaccinations. Good to see some Town players speaking out about it but would be much better if the club were in a position to say ALl ITFC employees have been fully vaccinated. |
There was a rumour amongst Boro fans that the reason Morsy left them was that he'd had a falling out with Warnock over Covid vaccs. Don't know whether true or not, nor if true, exactly what the dispute was. |  |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 10:59 - Sep 3 with 1070 views | TractorCam |
Nice bunch.
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| Who's the monkeys? on 11:02 - Sep 3 with 1051 views | Ryorry |
| Who's the monkeys? on 22:06 - Sep 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't believe it is usual to ban from one competition under one organisation due to actions in another administered by another one.
FIFA now have the ball in their court.
EDIT: Further, banning fans for their other qualifiers would have more impact than having banned them for tonight's too. [Post edited 2 Sep 2021 22:07]
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UEFA & FIFA really need to get together & come to a unified stance on this - banning for such abhorrent behaviour should apply to *all* international comps.
(BBC R5l pundit last night pointed out that since reds for players aren't currently transferable between international comps, it's logical that crowd behaviour penalties aren't transferable either). | |
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| Who's the monkeys? on 11:17 - Sep 3 with 1013 views | leitrimblue |
I remember when they used to be to busy singing to put anybody down |  | | |
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