| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad 09:11 - Sep 10 with 1938 views | BondiBlue |
Obviously loads in the under-21 category but still. |  |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:13 - Sep 10 with 1410 views | jayessess |
We did sell 3 this Summer, which is also a big part of why we develop them. |  |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:16 - Sep 10 with 1403 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
'But still' what?
Teddy Bishop, Flynn Downes and Andre Dozzell were highly saleable assets at a time we needed to rejuvenate our squad and balance the books with regards to incoming and outgoing transfers.
We've sold our youngsters for profit for years and years. It might happen with the likes of Baggott and Chirewa too, but hopefully we'll be in a better league position then and they can establish themselves as first team regulars first. |  |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:16 - Sep 10 with 1401 views | SWGF |
And it could be argued that he's still with us for that reason. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 9:24]
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:17 - Sep 10 with 1399 views | Darth_Koont |
Yes, that’s definitely part of the downside with the squad overhaul.
But the last few years have shown that the overall success of the club really is dependent on the success of the first team. Our own talented products haven’t shone or developed particularly well as we’ve slid down the pyramid.
Hopefully if the club does actually get some forward momentum for a change we’ll see talented individuals like Humphreys start to come into a performing side and be able to show their strengths rather than have their weaknesses exposed. |  |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:18 - Sep 10 with 1390 views | BondiBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:13 - Sep 10 by jayessess |
We did sell 3 this Summer, which is also a big part of why we develop them. |
True. The stat just doesn't look great. I grew up watching teams in which there were at least 3-4 in the first team every week and we were top-end championship/premier league. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:19 - Sep 10 with 1373 views | BondiBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:16 - Sep 10 by SWGF |
And it could be argued that he's still with us for that reason. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 9:24]
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Hadn't thought of that! | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:21 - Sep 10 with 1354 views | BondiBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:16 - Sep 10 by Cheltenham_Blue |
'But still' what?
Teddy Bishop, Flynn Downes and Andre Dozzell were highly saleable assets at a time we needed to rejuvenate our squad and balance the books with regards to incoming and outgoing transfers.
We've sold our youngsters for profit for years and years. It might happen with the likes of Baggott and Chirewa too, but hopefully we'll be in a better league position then and they can establish themselves as first team regulars first. |
But still...that is rubbish for a club that has long been about youth development.
I'm not saying that those three should have been kept, i'm saying that as a stat it doesn't reflect well on the academy. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:05 - Sep 10 with 1268 views | chicoazul |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:21 - Sep 10 by BondiBlue |
But still...that is rubbish for a club that has long been about youth development.
I'm not saying that those three should have been kept, i'm saying that as a stat it doesn't reflect well on the academy. |
Had they not argued with Gibbs’ agent over an extra £400 a week I think we would have at least one other in the first team squad. You’re right though it’s a real shame, and the only time Ipswich have ever been successful is when we have had a sprinkling of our own products in the team. |  |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:11 - Sep 10 with 1246 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:21 - Sep 10 by BondiBlue |
But still...that is rubbish for a club that has long been about youth development.
I'm not saying that those three should have been kept, i'm saying that as a stat it doesn't reflect well on the academy. |
The fact we were offered big money for them previously which we turned down or they were linked with big clubs reflects very well on the academy.
People have to get away from the notion that the academy under ME was there to produce first team players for the future. It was there to produce players who we could rush into the first team, and then sell based on their academy reputation and their potential to offset some of Evans loses.
What it will be under GC20 remains to be seen, but I can already see there is far less focus on getting players into the first team, and much more on getting them out on loan and playing first team football. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:15 - Sep 10 with 1238 views | Illinoisblue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:18 - Sep 10 by BondiBlue |
True. The stat just doesn't look great. I grew up watching teams in which there were at least 3-4 in the first team every week and we were top-end championship/premier league. |
Last promotion squad in 99/00 had Wright, Scowcroft, stockwell, Brown in the squad. |  |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:25 - Sep 10 with 1215 views | BondiBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:15 - Sep 10 by Illinoisblue |
Last promotion squad in 99/00 had Wright, Scowcroft, stockwell, Brown in the squad. |
Don't forget Naylor! | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:27 - Sep 10 with 1208 views | BondiBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:11 - Sep 10 by Cheltenham_Blue |
The fact we were offered big money for them previously which we turned down or they were linked with big clubs reflects very well on the academy.
People have to get away from the notion that the academy under ME was there to produce first team players for the future. It was there to produce players who we could rush into the first team, and then sell based on their academy reputation and their potential to offset some of Evans loses.
What it will be under GC20 remains to be seen, but I can already see there is far less focus on getting players into the first team, and much more on getting them out on loan and playing first team football. |
I don't really care what the academy under Evans was for - he was well-meaning but clueless. I'm talking about what is was for under sheepshanks. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:51 - Sep 10 with 1172 views | Guthrum |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:21 - Sep 10 by BondiBlue |
But still...that is rubbish for a club that has long been about youth development.
I'm not saying that those three should have been kept, i'm saying that as a stat it doesn't reflect well on the academy. |
Altho we do have a large number of our own Academy prospects in and around the squad in the U21 age bracket, ready to break through. |  |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:56 - Sep 10 with 1153 views | chicoazul |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:51 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
Altho we do have a large number of our own Academy prospects in and around the squad in the U21 age bracket, ready to break through. |
Unless someone is absolutely sensational I don’t expect to see anyone break thru from the academy for years now. Why develop a Rakeem Harper when you can just buy an oven ready one? | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:11 - Sep 10 with 1132 views | Guthrum |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:56 - Sep 10 by chicoazul |
Unless someone is absolutely sensational I don’t expect to see anyone break thru from the academy for years now. Why develop a Rakeem Harper when you can just buy an oven ready one? |
If the main team is set up properly, you have to be absolutely sensational to break through. That's what it takes to be a top-level footballer in any case. If you aren't an improvement in some way on a senior player, why would you get a game?
For years we've been using the Youth as squad filler, perhaps pushing them on beyond their ability, experience and/or physical robustness. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:11 - Sep 10 with 1141 views | itfcjoe |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 09:16 - Sep 10 by SWGF |
And it could be argued that he's still with us for that reason. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 9:24]
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I think you may be on to something here, the club secretary certainly made Ashton and Cook aware of this when Woolf was well and truly on the chopping block |  |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:13 - Sep 10 with 1133 views | BondiBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:56 - Sep 10 by chicoazul |
Unless someone is absolutely sensational I don’t expect to see anyone break thru from the academy for years now. Why develop a Rakeem Harper when you can just buy an oven ready one? |
This is the one thing about the new ownership's narrative that hasn't been absolutely spot-on. They talk about the importance of the community (and hearing ashton talk about buying from local suppliers on the KOA interview, i believe they're genuine) but then we have bare minimum home-grown players in the first team. I don't think you can be a genuine community club without giving local youngsters the opportunity to play for the team. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:16 - Sep 10 with 1121 views | itfcjoe |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:15 - Sep 10 by Illinoisblue |
Last promotion squad in 99/00 had Wright, Scowcroft, stockwell, Brown in the squad. |
We've never had a good team without a good couple of academy players as key men in it - even our last good season in 14/15 we had Smith and Bishop in there, and Hyam playing a good part until injured in January | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:16 - Sep 10 with 1121 views | SWGF |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:11 - Sep 10 by itfcjoe |
I think you may be on to something here, the club secretary certainly made Ashton and Cook aware of this when Woolf was well and truly on the chopping block |
Aye. From "bomb squad" to first team.
Fall back option could have been to "promote" Kenlock, I suppose. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:17 - Sep 10 with 1111 views | itfcjoe |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:51 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
Altho we do have a large number of our own Academy prospects in and around the squad in the U21 age bracket, ready to break through. |
I can't imagine we'll see any of them making more than a couple of appearances this season in the league - El Mizouni the only one with a chance and he looks miles off it when you see the amount of players he has to get past to even be on the bench | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:23 - Sep 10 with 1082 views | BondiBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:16 - Sep 10 by SWGF |
Aye. From "bomb squad" to first team.
Fall back option could have been to "promote" Kenlock, I suppose. |
Could we have promoted one of the under-21s to the seniors? Dobra perhaps. 20/20 hindsight but letting wolfy go, signing an extra defender and not bothering with aluko or barry might have resulted in a less weirdly top-heavy squad and improved our defending. Plus we'd get to see dobra blugeoning his way through league one defences. Lovely. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:26 - Sep 10 with 1070 views | Guthrum |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:17 - Sep 10 by itfcjoe |
I can't imagine we'll see any of them making more than a couple of appearances this season in the league - El Mizouni the only one with a chance and he looks miles off it when you see the amount of players he has to get past to even be on the bench |
I think you and Chico are correct. However, if our Youth players aren't better than the First Teamers, should they be getting game-time in the League anyway?
That's one of the reasons I think it was a shame we crashed out of the League Cup so early. We need those extra games (with somewhat less riding on them) to give the Youth proper competitive experience. Loans being another solution. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:37 - Sep 10 with 1041 views | BondiBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:26 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
I think you and Chico are correct. However, if our Youth players aren't better than the First Teamers, should they be getting game-time in the League anyway?
That's one of the reasons I think it was a shame we crashed out of the League Cup so early. We need those extra games (with somewhat less riding on them) to give the Youth proper competitive experience. Loans being another solution. |
Kieron Dyer would probably say that we need to do a better job of coaching them so that they are as good as tbe senior players.
I think you're right about cups and loans and i certainly don't think we should play obviously inferior players just because they're local. Only thing i would say is that there needs to be a pathway not blocked by a 31-year old back up player who will surely be released at the end of the season. | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:40 - Sep 10 with 1034 views | itfcjoe |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:26 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
I think you and Chico are correct. However, if our Youth players aren't better than the First Teamers, should they be getting game-time in the League anyway?
That's one of the reasons I think it was a shame we crashed out of the League Cup so early. We need those extra games (with somewhat less riding on them) to give the Youth proper competitive experience. Loans being another solution. |
It has to be remembered that playing first team football is part of a players development - and also that 3 of the players we have sold from the academy this summer who would have been eligible to fill this gap (Downes, Dozzell and Bishop) have gone to sides wither in the division above us, or a side who finished ahead of us last season in this league.
That's not to say the overhaul was wrong, it was required - but does strike me as letting emotion take control of proper squad building at one point in the process - because it should never have ended up like this | |
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| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 11:47 - Sep 10 with 988 views | HighgateBlue |
| We have only one 'club-developed' player in the 22-man squad on 10:15 - Sep 10 by Illinoisblue |
Last promotion squad in 99/00 had Wright, Scowcroft, stockwell, Brown in the squad. |
Gosh was Stockwell really still playing in 2000?!
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