| All hail the money tree.... on 21:16 - Nov 4 with 1789 views | XYZ |
So all those £7,000 a day consultants who designed the schemes and the software will, no doubt, be obliged to pay for loss caused by their faulty product.
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| All hail the money tree.... on 21:39 - Nov 4 with 1738 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Further to the money tree/free money theme I only just saw that the BoE has kept interest rates unchanged despite predicting 5% inflation...our economy is literally held together by string. But I guess they are the experts! |  |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 21:50 - Nov 4 with 1724 views | factual_blue |
In the last year for which figures are available, losses to the benefits system from those dreadful benefit scroungers were 3.9%.
Except that is the combined total for fraud and error, so much of is down staff/IT errors. |  |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 21:57 - Nov 4 with 1718 views | mutters |
I read the headline and thought hello Corbyn is back making policies for labour again.....
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:11 - Nov 4 with 1666 views | XYZ |
| All hail the money tree.... on 21:57 - Nov 4 by mutters |
I read the headline and thought hello Corbyn is back making policies for labour again.....
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Corbyn's plans were fully costed. Johnson's were not. UK debt always rises under tories. | | | |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:14 - Nov 4 with 1661 views | factual_blue |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:11 - Nov 4 by XYZ |
Corbyn's plans were fully costed. Johnson's were not. UK debt always rises under tories. |
And let's not forget Reggie Maudling left a 'sorry there's no money left' note for the incoming Labour Chancellor. [Post edited 4 Nov 2021 22:16]
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:15 - Nov 4 with 1655 views | footers |
| All hail the money tree.... on 21:57 - Nov 4 by mutters |
I read the headline and thought hello Corbyn is back making policies for labour again.....
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Even I wouldn't be stupid enough to give £130bn for nuclear weapons we don't need, to exit the world's most affluent trading bloc without a decent reason, give millions to firms with no track records to procure PPE and source ferries from a company with no history of owning boats. Plus, a bonus few million to an uneducated lapdancer who the PM happened to be boning at the time.
But yes, Corbyn. |  |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:23 - Nov 4 with 1626 views | factual_blue |
| All hail the money tree.... on 21:39 - Nov 4 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Further to the money tree/free money theme I only just saw that the BoE has kept interest rates unchanged despite predicting 5% inflation...our economy is literally held together by string. But I guess they are the experts! |
Worryingly, I can't find any evidence that we export much string, so if string is holding our economy together, we have hard times ahead. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:32 - Nov 4 with 1596 views | mutters |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:11 - Nov 4 by XYZ |
Corbyn's plans were fully costed. Johnson's were not. UK debt always rises under tories. |
My post was very much tongue in cheek just to be cheeky.
I am not trying to get into this as we should all know by now all politicians lie to get into power. It's just the amount thats variable. They promise anything to get in and never deliver, no matter what side of the equation they sit. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:35 - Nov 4 with 1588 views | mutters |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:15 - Nov 4 by footers |
Even I wouldn't be stupid enough to give £130bn for nuclear weapons we don't need, to exit the world's most affluent trading bloc without a decent reason, give millions to firms with no track records to procure PPE and source ferries from a company with no history of owning boats. Plus, a bonus few million to an uneducated lapdancer who the PM happened to be boning at the time.
But yes, Corbyn. |
Yeah of course Corbyn. It's his fault that my bins weren't collected this morning. Also, I've got an annoying cat who loves taking a dump in my rosebushes. That's his fault as well.
When in doubt, blame Corbyn! | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:38 - Nov 4 with 1580 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:32 - Nov 4 by mutters |
My post was very much tongue in cheek just to be cheeky.
I am not trying to get into this as we should all know by now all politicians lie to get into power. It's just the amount thats variable. They promise anything to get in and never deliver, no matter what side of the equation they sit. |
Really? Do you really think they are all the same and the scale of open corruption this Government is giving us is just inevitable?
Isn't that the biggest problem? Too many of the electorate do not care about it! |  |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:39 - Nov 4 with 1573 views | footers |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:32 - Nov 4 by mutters |
My post was very much tongue in cheek just to be cheeky.
I am not trying to get into this as we should all know by now all politicians lie to get into power. It's just the amount thats variable. They promise anything to get in and never deliver, no matter what side of the equation they sit. |
Oh great, another 'both sides' bollox post.
No wonder this government get away with so much. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:47 - Nov 4 with 1555 views | Lord_Lucan |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:14 - Nov 4 by factual_blue |
And let's not forget Reggie Maudling left a 'sorry there's no money left' note for the incoming Labour Chancellor. [Post edited 4 Nov 2021 22:16]
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Every Chancellor does the same note after a change of election, it's a tradition.
Thought you might have known that Sir Humphrey . |  |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:47 - Nov 4 with 1555 views | mutters |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:39 - Nov 4 by footers |
Oh great, another 'both sides' bollox post.
No wonder this government get away with so much. |
I've just realised why this board has so much animosity, everything has to be binary. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:47 - Nov 4 with 1554 views | rgp1 |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:23 - Nov 4 by factual_blue |
Worryingly, I can't find any evidence that we export much string, so if string is holding our economy together, we have hard times ahead. |
Might need a few wheelbarrows to carry our cash around with rocketing inflation! | | | |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:51 - Nov 4 with 1539 views | mutters |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:38 - Nov 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Really? Do you really think they are all the same and the scale of open corruption this Government is giving us is just inevitable?
Isn't that the biggest problem? Too many of the electorate do not care about it! |
Nope, they are not the same, some prospective governments lie more than others to get into power. To be honest, most of the electorate don't know what they are voting for, they are either following the well-trodden paths of their ancestors or fall for the most popular candidate of the time.
It's not a great state to be in I am afraid. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:52 - Nov 4 with 1539 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:47 - Nov 4 by mutters |
I've just realised why this board has so much animosity, everything has to be binary. |
You are excusing this Government with a "they are all the same".
If that makes the argument that this corrupt Government is openly on a scale not even close to anything ever seen before irrelevant then that is the problem.
How is that "binary"? Please explain the scale of corruption that even begins to compare with this Government from any previous one, red, blue or coalition. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:55 - Nov 4 with 1526 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:51 - Nov 4 by mutters |
Nope, they are not the same, some prospective governments lie more than others to get into power. To be honest, most of the electorate don't know what they are voting for, they are either following the well-trodden paths of their ancestors or fall for the most popular candidate of the time.
It's not a great state to be in I am afraid. |
We are not talking about broken electoral promises.
We are talking about open corruption.
This party would have changed the rules rather than punish one MP for flagrant breaches of them but for the backlash they have suffered.
This party spent billions of pounds on contracts to their friends that others were not allowed to bid for and that they knew their friends would be unable to deliver over Brexit preparations and over PPE.
I am sure there is more too but isn't that alone enough? | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:58 - Nov 4 with 1514 views | footers |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:47 - Nov 4 by mutters |
I've just realised why this board has so much animosity, everything has to be binary. |
Not really.
I just didn't like you're 'they're all the same!' remark when it's demonstrably untrue. Painting it out to be like that is disingenuous and paints the opposition in a bad light (no matter what colour) as the same during the height of a Tory sleaze scandal.
They're in no way equatable. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 22:59 - Nov 4 with 1509 views | footers |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:47 - Nov 4 by Lord_Lucan |
Every Chancellor does the same note after a change of election, it's a tradition.
Thought you might have known that Sir Humphrey . |
How's your banter boy getting on as PM, Lucan? Liking it so far?
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| All hail the money tree.... on 23:05 - Nov 4 with 1504 views | mutters |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:52 - Nov 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You are excusing this Government with a "they are all the same".
If that makes the argument that this corrupt Government is openly on a scale not even close to anything ever seen before irrelevant then that is the problem.
How is that "binary"? Please explain the scale of corruption that even begins to compare with this Government from any previous one, red, blue or coalition. |
You've just taken my open statement around all governments over the years telling lies to gain power and translated it into a position of support for the current government. That to me is binary as it's gone from neutral to partisan. This government gets worse and worse by the day, but it doesn't deflect from previous ones doing exactly the same, albeit on differing levels.
There have been many governments before this one, and guess what? They all lie to gain power. Name me one government that has stuck to all its prelection promises..... | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 23:11 - Nov 4 with 1489 views | mutters |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:58 - Nov 4 by footers |
Not really.
I just didn't like you're 'they're all the same!' remark when it's demonstrably untrue. Painting it out to be like that is disingenuous and paints the opposition in a bad light (no matter what colour) as the same during the height of a Tory sleaze scandal.
They're in no way equatable. |
I think you misinterpreting my statement. My statement was around all governments lie to get into power. That was it. No indication of the magnitude, just that they lie. Full stop.
If you want to dive down into the next level of granularity, then yes there is an incredible variance between each government. That I hope we can agree on. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 23:16 - Nov 4 with 1480 views | Swansea_Blue |
| All hail the money tree.... on 23:05 - Nov 4 by mutters |
You've just taken my open statement around all governments over the years telling lies to gain power and translated it into a position of support for the current government. That to me is binary as it's gone from neutral to partisan. This government gets worse and worse by the day, but it doesn't deflect from previous ones doing exactly the same, albeit on differing levels.
There have been many governments before this one, and guess what? They all lie to gain power. Name me one government that has stuck to all its prelection promises..... |
‘They’re all the same” downplays the seriousness of some of the accusations against this particular government, so gives the impression of indirect support (even if you didn’t intend it).
What we saw yesterday, the cash/favours for peerages, attacks on the judiciary, restrictions on rights to protest, curbing of academic freedoms, blatant lying at the dispatch box, etc., etc., are dangerous departures from what’s normal.
I’m not saying others have been saints, but this is clearly different to what we’ve seen before. |  |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 23:21 - Nov 4 with 1475 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| All hail the money tree.... on 23:11 - Nov 4 by mutters |
I think you misinterpreting my statement. My statement was around all governments lie to get into power. That was it. No indication of the magnitude, just that they lie. Full stop.
If you want to dive down into the next level of granularity, then yes there is an incredible variance between each government. That I hope we can agree on. |
So you have taken a thread on political corruption and misuse of taxpayer money and commented on broken election promises.
Why have you chosen to do that?
Do you believe all Governments have corruptly spent taxpayer funds and corruptly taken corporate bribes and have corruptly attempted to excuse it?
I will name you several that have not: Thatcher's, Major's, Brown's, May's, even Cameron's (as bad as it was). When cases were brought to light they were dealt with. You could argue about some of those making money from business after they have left parliament but that is not against the rules and seems in no way directly equated to the way they governed and influence they still hold. | |
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| All hail the money tree.... on 23:23 - Nov 4 with 1466 views | mutters |
| All hail the money tree.... on 22:55 - Nov 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
We are not talking about broken electoral promises.
We are talking about open corruption.
This party would have changed the rules rather than punish one MP for flagrant breaches of them but for the backlash they have suffered.
This party spent billions of pounds on contracts to their friends that others were not allowed to bid for and that they knew their friends would be unable to deliver over Brexit preparations and over PPE.
I am sure there is more too but isn't that alone enough? |
Well in fact I was talking about broken electoral promises and how the government lies to get into power. Not what happens post-election night. That was kind of the whole point.
You bought corruption into the conversation, which while it is important to discuss (and to be honest I agree with you) it had nothing to do with my original comment.
Man oh man this board at times....
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