| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 16:45 - Dec 8 with 1447 views | ElderGrizzly |
It is indeed a good read. A damning statistic too:
"The team performed worse than under Lambert, managing 1.18 points per game compared to 1.67 for the 30 games that season prior to Cook’s arrival. "
He failed twice with two entirely different squads |  | |  |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:21 - Dec 8 with 1351 views | Herbivore |
Pretty much sums it up and makes it even weirder that some fans have lost their heads over him being sacked. |  |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:38 - Dec 8 with 1305 views | Darth_Koont |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 16:45 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
It is indeed a good read. A damning statistic too:
"The team performed worse than under Lambert, managing 1.18 points per game compared to 1.67 for the 30 games that season prior to Cook’s arrival. "
He failed twice with two entirely different squads |
Hmmm. Thought it was pretty average TBH.
Clearly results weren’t good enough but just seems that it’s Cook and his “inadequate staff” that are too blame.
I think the bigger picture is that collectively we’re making light of the division and aren’t facing up to the fact that you need time and/or a lot of luck. To expect a brand-new team in a brand-new club management environment to be a promotion team by just turning the key seems remarkably short-sighted and delusional.
Goes against pretty much all elite sports performance thinking. Especially the vital intangibles like confidence, momentum, focus, belonging/teamwork and so on. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 17:39]
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:43 - Dec 8 with 1265 views | Geomorph |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 16:45 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
It is indeed a good read. A damning statistic too:
"The team performed worse than under Lambert, managing 1.18 points per game compared to 1.67 for the 30 games that season prior to Cook’s arrival. "
He failed twice with two entirely different squads |
But 1 point a game for the 16 up to gill picking the team wasn’t it? There was no huge downturn in form… those 3 wins were 1) a bit lucky and 2) a blip |  | | |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:46 - Dec 8 with 1228 views | BlueBadger |
Hard to make any argument with any of that.
Some probably will try though. |  |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:50 - Dec 8 with 1193 views | BlueBadger |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:21 - Dec 8 by Herbivore |
Pretty much sums it up and makes it even weirder that some fans have lost their heads over him being sacked. |
People preferring to win at TWTD rather see their team win matches innit.
It's the culmination of 'must back my man because I didn't like the last competent manager we had' syndrome that started with the Magilton to Keane transition, didn't really do anything under Hurst who followed on from from Mick(probably due to his his short time in the job) and then really mushroomed under Lambert.
Who was regularly lauded for relegated us because the performances(that, lest we forget, saw us relegated without a whimper) were allegedly 'better'.
For the record , NO-ONE 'wins' at TWTD. But some losers are bigger losers than the rest. | |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:51 - Dec 8 with 1180 views | Vic |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 16:45 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
It is indeed a good read. A damning statistic too:
"The team performed worse than under Lambert, managing 1.18 points per game compared to 1.67 for the 30 games that season prior to Cook’s arrival. "
He failed twice with two entirely different squads |
It’s not a good look is it! |  |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:52 - Dec 8 with 1173 views | Herbivore |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:38 - Dec 8 by Darth_Koont |
Hmmm. Thought it was pretty average TBH.
Clearly results weren’t good enough but just seems that it’s Cook and his “inadequate staff” that are too blame.
I think the bigger picture is that collectively we’re making light of the division and aren’t facing up to the fact that you need time and/or a lot of luck. To expect a brand-new team in a brand-new club management environment to be a promotion team by just turning the key seems remarkably short-sighted and delusional.
Goes against pretty much all elite sports performance thinking. Especially the vital intangibles like confidence, momentum, focus, belonging/teamwork and so on. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 17:39]
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And yet in recent years we've seen numerous sides going back up at the first attempt following relegation, or competing and making the top 6 at least. Most of those who have missed out have gone into administration or been in a complete mess. Us being a bit meh isn't the same as being a complete mess. I feel like you have a limited understanding of what this division is actually about. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 17:54]
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:54 - Dec 8 with 1165 views | Darth_Koont |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:50 - Dec 8 by BlueBadger |
People preferring to win at TWTD rather see their team win matches innit.
It's the culmination of 'must back my man because I didn't like the last competent manager we had' syndrome that started with the Magilton to Keane transition, didn't really do anything under Hurst who followed on from from Mick(probably due to his his short time in the job) and then really mushroomed under Lambert.
Who was regularly lauded for relegated us because the performances(that, lest we forget, saw us relegated without a whimper) were allegedly 'better'.
For the record , NO-ONE 'wins' at TWTD. But some losers are bigger losers than the rest. |
Says the man whose posting raison d’etre is obsessing over other posters ...
Still, when you try and address the actual issues up for discussion I can see why. 😀 | |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:56 - Dec 8 with 1146 views | Steve_M |
Thanks Mullers. I’ve been on the beers all afternoon so not had the chance.
Odd how some are still desperate to excuse Cook but, hey, on to Wigan. |  |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:57 - Dec 8 with 1133 views | Darth_Koont |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:52 - Dec 8 by Herbivore |
And yet in recent years we've seen numerous sides going back up at the first attempt following relegation, or competing and making the top 6 at least. Most of those who have missed out have gone into administration or been in a complete mess. Us being a bit meh isn't the same as being a complete mess. I feel like you have a limited understanding of what this division is actually about. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 17:54]
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I don’t get how that relates to what I wrote about a brand-new team in a brand-new club management environment.
I am aware that teams get promoted. | |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 18:00 - Dec 8 with 1116 views | Herbivore |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:57 - Dec 8 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t get how that relates to what I wrote about a brand-new team in a brand-new club management environment.
I am aware that teams get promoted. |
Well those sides didn't need much in the way of time or luck and often had to cope with decent squad churn. We've made a shocking fist of trying to get out of this league at every attempt and all we hear from some is excuse after excuse for why it's so much tougher for us than it seems to be for everyone else. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 18:02]
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 18:11 - Dec 8 with 1058 views | Darth_Koont |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 18:00 - Dec 8 by Herbivore |
Well those sides didn't need much in the way of time or luck and often had to cope with decent squad churn. We've made a shocking fist of trying to get out of this league at every attempt and all we hear from some is excuse after excuse for why it's so much tougher for us than it seems to be for everyone else. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 18:02]
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No, I’m simply saying the team and Cook needed more time. From the start, the expectations of getting a brand-new team in a brand-new environment promoted (as some sort of minimum) were delusional.
It can be a target obviously. But we’ve now turned midtable inconsistency into a bit of a crisis.
We need to give the next manager way more slack and let him focus on building the team rather than getting us challenging from the start. If we trust the process rather than reacting to outcomes we might actually stand a chance. | |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 18:15 - Dec 8 with 1038 views | Herbivore |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 18:11 - Dec 8 by Darth_Koont |
No, I’m simply saying the team and Cook needed more time. From the start, the expectations of getting a brand-new team in a brand-new environment promoted (as some sort of minimum) were delusional.
It can be a target obviously. But we’ve now turned midtable inconsistency into a bit of a crisis.
We need to give the next manager way more slack and let him focus on building the team rather than getting us challenging from the start. If we trust the process rather than reacting to outcomes we might actually stand a chance. |
Nobody expected us to be top of the league from day 1. The issue with Cook was that 20 games in we were showing no real signs of becoming a more cohesive side and performances and results were regressing. Too much of what we were seeing had echoes of his poor performance here last season and so there was little reason to have faith that with more time he'd get it right. Given what was invested in the squad and the quality of players at our disposal it's not asking too much to be competing around the top 6 at the halfway stage, that we're miles off that is down to Cook's failure to get it right here. | |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 18:26 - Dec 8 with 994 views | Darth_Koont |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 18:15 - Dec 8 by Herbivore |
Nobody expected us to be top of the league from day 1. The issue with Cook was that 20 games in we were showing no real signs of becoming a more cohesive side and performances and results were regressing. Too much of what we were seeing had echoes of his poor performance here last season and so there was little reason to have faith that with more time he'd get it right. Given what was invested in the squad and the quality of players at our disposal it's not asking too much to be competing around the top 6 at the halfway stage, that we're miles off that is down to Cook's failure to get it right here. |
We had a really bad start, then a very good recovery, and recently we’ve wobbled though nothing like a return to the first 6 games.
So, I’d liked to have seen if he could regroup and recover again. That’s what new teams often do.
And the point remains. Do we now give the new manager time or do we assume that the team should be higher no matter what? Hopefully we’ll at least let him address the left-hand side that’s been poor/hit by injury from the offset or do we think that’s just an excuse? | |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 19:18 - Dec 8 with 900 views | BlueBadger |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:56 - Dec 8 by Steve_M |
Thanks Mullers. I’ve been on the beers all afternoon so not had the chance.
Odd how some are still desperate to excuse Cook but, hey, on to Wigan. |
The only manager that people on here generally don't make excuses for is Mick. ALL of our rubbish managers of the last decade have their acolytes keen(or even Keane) to tell us how they would have been great if they'd had the time/players/etc.
You even see the odd weirdo trying to claim that it was the players' fault that Hurst was crap. | |
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| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 20:15 - Dec 8 with 808 views | Mullet |
| Turnstile Blue blog gone up on 17:56 - Dec 8 by Steve_M |
Thanks Mullers. I’ve been on the beers all afternoon so not had the chance.
Odd how some are still desperate to excuse Cook but, hey, on to Wigan. |
Child locks are ready mate |  |
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