| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? 19:41 - Mar 3 with 2328 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 19:55 - Mar 3 with 2210 views | Coastalblue |
I can't see him doing that, not unless he can get something that he can proclaim as a justification and victory.
I'm also not sure at this point that there are many terms that he would agree to in order to withdraw which Ukraine would also accept.
Perhaps a third party, such as Nato making an agreement that Ukraine can't join for 20 years or longer or something similar? |  |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 19:56 - Mar 3 with 2206 views | hype313 |
The only way he will pull out of Ukraine is if the Chinese really step in or a coup by the military.
All this talk about Oligarchs isn't going to change anything as he holds them in utter contempt, they are just a useful cashcow.
That's what I've ascertained over the past few days. |  |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 19:58 - Mar 3 with 2185 views | Coastalblue |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 19:56 - Mar 3 by hype313 |
The only way he will pull out of Ukraine is if the Chinese really step in or a coup by the military.
All this talk about Oligarchs isn't going to change anything as he holds them in utter contempt, they are just a useful cashcow.
That's what I've ascertained over the past few days. |
I'm not sure there's anybody in the world not called Putin that he doesn't hold in utter contempt. | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:00 - Mar 3 with 2178 views | Swansea_Blue |
Yes, saw that on another thread earlier. Seems as though it should be hugely significant doesn’t it?
The only problem is if we’re thinking about the rationale consequences of Putin losing the oil company support, when he’s shown he’s anything but rationale. |  |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:07 - Mar 3 with 2109 views | textbackup |
bit of luck putin just tops himself |  |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:08 - Mar 3 with 2108 views | jontysnut |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 19:55 - Mar 3 by Coastalblue |
I can't see him doing that, not unless he can get something that he can proclaim as a justification and victory.
I'm also not sure at this point that there are many terms that he would agree to in order to withdraw which Ukraine would also accept.
Perhaps a third party, such as Nato making an agreement that Ukraine can't join for 20 years or longer or something similar? |
I saw a very good analyst talking about how in war protagonists need a 'golden bridge' to be able to walk away without losing too much face. Problem with Putin is that this will be difficult - where does he go, in a bunker in Siberia for the rest of his life? The risk is that he becomes so unhinged that his view is if I'm going you're all coming with me.
(apologies just seen that someone mentioned the golden bridge in another thread, but I'm still worried about the end game) [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 20:13]
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:10 - Mar 3 with 2091 views | Illinoisblue |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:07 - Mar 3 by textbackup |
bit of luck putin just tops himself |
LeTissier would blame it on the vaccine. |  |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:11 - Mar 3 with 2089 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 19:56 - Mar 3 by hype313 |
The only way he will pull out of Ukraine is if the Chinese really step in or a coup by the military.
All this talk about Oligarchs isn't going to change anything as he holds them in utter contempt, they are just a useful cashcow.
That's what I've ascertained over the past few days. |
That is what I saw on a documentary too....that he ditched the oligarchs in the aftermath of the Kursk submarine disaster. |  |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:13 - Mar 3 with 2070 views | hype313 |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:08 - Mar 3 by jontysnut |
I saw a very good analyst talking about how in war protagonists need a 'golden bridge' to be able to walk away without losing too much face. Problem with Putin is that this will be difficult - where does he go, in a bunker in Siberia for the rest of his life? The risk is that he becomes so unhinged that his view is if I'm going you're all coming with me.
(apologies just seen that someone mentioned the golden bridge in another thread, but I'm still worried about the end game) [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 20:13]
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The thing that confuses me with Putin is, he's clearly so very paranoid about catching Covid, given people have to isolate for 2 weeks, and everyone has to be 10 metres away, yet people are afraid he will press the nuclear button at will.
So he's incredibly paranoid aboit getting ill with Flu, but isn't overly concerned about a nuclear fallout. | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:14 - Mar 3 with 2064 views | textbackup |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:10 - Mar 3 by Illinoisblue |
LeTissier would blame it on the vaccine. |
lol.... fruitcake that bloke. worse bit is, my mate retweets him.
then never replies when i ask him what the tweet meant | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:17 - Mar 3 with 2031 views | hype313 |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:11 - Mar 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
That is what I saw on a documentary too....that he ditched the oligarchs in the aftermath of the Kursk submarine disaster. |
Yeah, I think it's been a relationship based purely on convenience rather than anything else.
He hasn't been afraid to throw a few in Jail and take thier fortunes.
So this notion that by making life incredibly difficult for the Oligarchs will mean increasing internal pressure on Putin is futile, he has zero respect for these billionaires. | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:23 - Mar 3 with 1917 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:17 - Mar 3 by hype313 |
Yeah, I think it's been a relationship based purely on convenience rather than anything else.
He hasn't been afraid to throw a few in Jail and take thier fortunes.
So this notion that by making life incredibly difficult for the Oligarchs will mean increasing internal pressure on Putin is futile, he has zero respect for these billionaires. |
At least we can be sure that the siezed assets will be used to benefit Mr and Mrs Russian public in the long run!!!
Edit....someone needs to tell Sidski! [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 20:25]
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:26 - Mar 3 with 1886 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:08 - Mar 3 by jontysnut |
I saw a very good analyst talking about how in war protagonists need a 'golden bridge' to be able to walk away without losing too much face. Problem with Putin is that this will be difficult - where does he go, in a bunker in Siberia for the rest of his life? The risk is that he becomes so unhinged that his view is if I'm going you're all coming with me.
(apologies just seen that someone mentioned the golden bridge in another thread, but I'm still worried about the end game) [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 20:13]
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North Korea? The Tunisian dictator struck a deal to live it his days in Saudi Arabia, quite comfortably. It can be done and there are precedents. We’d have to get to a point where Putin had been utterly defeated militarily and embarrassed/lost all control at home though. | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:03 - Mar 3 with 1759 views | Coastalblue |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:26 - Mar 3 by Swansea_Blue |
North Korea? The Tunisian dictator struck a deal to live it his days in Saudi Arabia, quite comfortably. It can be done and there are precedents. We’d have to get to a point where Putin had been utterly defeated militarily and embarrassed/lost all control at home though. |
If he gets to that point he'll be in a cell waiting for an appearance at The Hague | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:09 - Mar 3 with 1737 views | DanTheMan |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 19:56 - Mar 3 by hype313 |
The only way he will pull out of Ukraine is if the Chinese really step in or a coup by the military.
All this talk about Oligarchs isn't going to change anything as he holds them in utter contempt, they are just a useful cashcow.
That's what I've ascertained over the past few days. |
He probably does.
Small issue though, wars are bloody expensive, especially if they drag on. |  |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:11 - Mar 3 with 1716 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:03 - Mar 3 by Coastalblue |
If he gets to that point he'll be in a cell waiting for an appearance at The Hague |
Maybe. I wonder though if there was a choice between brokering a deal for him to quietly disappear without charges versus a major escalation… We’d take the deal wouldn’t we? I dunno though. | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:21 - Mar 3 with 1656 views | Coastalblue |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:11 - Mar 3 by Swansea_Blue |
Maybe. I wonder though if there was a choice between brokering a deal for him to quietly disappear without charges versus a major escalation… We’d take the deal wouldn’t we? I dunno though. |
Pretty sure we would, not so sure he would. | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:54 - Mar 3 with 1530 views | Steve_M |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 19:56 - Mar 3 by hype313 |
The only way he will pull out of Ukraine is if the Chinese really step in or a coup by the military.
All this talk about Oligarchs isn't going to change anything as he holds them in utter contempt, they are just a useful cashcow.
That's what I've ascertained over the past few days. |
Keep watching….
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 23:17 - Mar 3 with 1340 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:21 - Mar 3 by Coastalblue |
Pretty sure we would, not so sure he would. |
Fair point. He doesn't seem like the sort to give up. He'd have to get to a point where he saw no way out whatsoever - no more opportunity to advance militarily, no more support from his inner circle, no more Russian people's support. Given how unstable he seems, there's a good chance he'd have thrown his full military might at the Ukraine by then and even pushed the button. | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 23:20 - Mar 3 with 1312 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:54 - Mar 3 by Steve_M |
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That sounds significant, but I've no idea if it is. I've know idea who the 'China Multilateral Development Bank[ are, nor whether they're a large player. | |
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| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 05:53 - Mar 4 with 1093 views | solomon |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 21:03 - Mar 3 by Coastalblue |
If he gets to that point he'll be in a cell waiting for an appearance at The Hague |
And this is the real issue, he’s gone so far he can’t turn back, if he does he’s finished. I would not be at all surprised to see a coup within the Russian structure if this invasion drags on and becomes entrenched, coupled with sanctions for the Russian economy. At the end of the day Putin is only really important to Putin, it will take time but he will go one way or another. |  | | |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 08:42 - Mar 4 with 863 views | gordon |
| The start of Putin being pressured to pull out of Ukraine? on 20:13 - Mar 3 by hype313 |
The thing that confuses me with Putin is, he's clearly so very paranoid about catching Covid, given people have to isolate for 2 weeks, and everyone has to be 10 metres away, yet people are afraid he will press the nuclear button at will.
So he's incredibly paranoid aboit getting ill with Flu, but isn't overly concerned about a nuclear fallout. |
There's no way in a million years he's starting a nuclear war. |  | | |
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