| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... 15:20 - May 23 with 4437 views | wkj |
He really has put in some beautiful work with the youth team last season and is a player who really does deserve to be assessed for the first team this season. With Arsenal and Not-quite-Norwich circling, you have to think town either has to play him next year to tempt him to sign on longer or sell him this summer to not end up getting poached.
I really wanna see what this lad can do for us in the Senior team. Fingers crossed. [Post edited 23 May 2022 15:21]
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:26 - May 23 with 2780 views | Parky |
If he goes for free / tribunal after next season, surely we have to start questioning what the point of our academy is.
Understand it’s sentimental and produced some talent over the years, but realistically, with our budget under these owners, I struggle to see when we would ever rely on a youth player. We appear to be shopping for Championship players, how will Chirewa, as an example, get a chance?
The above, ontop of the big clubs snapping up talented youngsters and stockpiling them in the hope that one, or two of them make it. (Brown, Flores, Knight) all examples.
For the record, I hope the above doesn’t happen and we keep hold of Chirewa and any other talented youngster(s) we have, giving them plenty of opportunity. |  | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:30 - May 23 with 2732 views | wkj |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:26 - May 23 by Parky |
If he goes for free / tribunal after next season, surely we have to start questioning what the point of our academy is.
Understand it’s sentimental and produced some talent over the years, but realistically, with our budget under these owners, I struggle to see when we would ever rely on a youth player. We appear to be shopping for Championship players, how will Chirewa, as an example, get a chance?
The above, ontop of the big clubs snapping up talented youngsters and stockpiling them in the hope that one, or two of them make it. (Brown, Flores, Knight) all examples.
For the record, I hope the above doesn’t happen and we keep hold of Chirewa and any other talented youngster(s) we have, giving them plenty of opportunity. |
In some ways, that is how all academies seem to work at various levels - scattershot - maybe one will hit.
Whilst Chirewa might not be our 'Maddison payday', he certainly looks like one of the finest products of the academy since Matt Clarke, definitely not one we want to lose out on without a fight. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:30 - May 23 with 2735 views | homer_123 |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:26 - May 23 by Parky |
If he goes for free / tribunal after next season, surely we have to start questioning what the point of our academy is.
Understand it’s sentimental and produced some talent over the years, but realistically, with our budget under these owners, I struggle to see when we would ever rely on a youth player. We appear to be shopping for Championship players, how will Chirewa, as an example, get a chance?
The above, ontop of the big clubs snapping up talented youngsters and stockpiling them in the hope that one, or two of them make it. (Brown, Flores, Knight) all examples.
For the record, I hope the above doesn’t happen and we keep hold of Chirewa and any other talented youngster(s) we have, giving them plenty of opportunity. |
I would suggest that, under our current owners, that we will see key assets sold at various points to fund incoming players and development of the overall squad.
We don't have a bottomless pit of money. |  |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:31 - May 23 with 2729 views | itfcjoe |
After Gibbs, and now Simpson not getting deals agreed when their form (either within club on loan) dictates that they should be getting one then it makes it important that something gets agreed.
Chirewa, like Gibbs, is one who signed a pro deal on his 17th birthday as a top prospect - doesn't often happen here - and backed that up by showing great form all season and getting to fringes of first team squad whilst still an U18. |  |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:32 - May 23 with 2714 views | homer_123 |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:30 - May 23 by wkj |
In some ways, that is how all academies seem to work at various levels - scattershot - maybe one will hit.
Whilst Chirewa might not be our 'Maddison payday', he certainly looks like one of the finest products of the academy since Matt Clarke, definitely not one we want to lose out on without a fight. |
Gonna post this to annoy Joe....
"It's estimated that of the 1.5 million players who are playing organised youth football in England at any one time, around 180 will make it as a Premier League professional."
So, yep it is entirely scattergun.
Anyone that can tell you for 'definite' that a 6 or 8 year old will make it as a pro - is utterly wrong. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:36 - May 23 with 2674 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
am i right in saying the club are trying to tie him down? we triggered the one year extension, just hope terms get agreed. |  | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:37 - May 23 with 2663 views | Parky |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:30 - May 23 by homer_123 |
I would suggest that, under our current owners, that we will see key assets sold at various points to fund incoming players and development of the overall squad.
We don't have a bottomless pit of money. |
I’m not disagreeing, but we can’t keep allowing our top young assets to get down to the final year of their contract before selling.
Simpson and now Chirewa both on their final year, if we can’t tie them down, we aren’t going to be selling for much money. Same happened with Gibbs IIRC.
Maybe something needs to be done to get them tied down earlier and for longer? | | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:38 - May 23 with 2655 views | wkj |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:31 - May 23 by itfcjoe |
After Gibbs, and now Simpson not getting deals agreed when their form (either within club on loan) dictates that they should be getting one then it makes it important that something gets agreed.
Chirewa, like Gibbs, is one who signed a pro deal on his 17th birthday as a top prospect - doesn't often happen here - and backed that up by showing great form all season and getting to fringes of first team squad whilst still an U18. |
Definitely not one we want to send out on loan for the season. Whilst Chirewa might not be a first-team starter on the regular, we should definitely be bringing him on regularly as a sub next season - like George used to do with KD. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:39 - May 23 with 2642 views | wkj |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:36 - May 23 by abracaDOBRA_ |
am i right in saying the club are trying to tie him down? we triggered the one year extension, just hope terms get agreed. |
I hope so, but you can imagine that his agent would be pushing hard for first-team assurances in those discussions. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:39 - May 23 with 2645 views | homer_123 |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:37 - May 23 by Parky |
I’m not disagreeing, but we can’t keep allowing our top young assets to get down to the final year of their contract before selling.
Simpson and now Chirewa both on their final year, if we can’t tie them down, we aren’t going to be selling for much money. Same happened with Gibbs IIRC.
Maybe something needs to be done to get them tied down earlier and for longer? |
Agreed, here's the thing though. If he know Prem clubs are interested, even if we offer the best terms we can - we cannot compete at that level. Just not possible.
What we hope is that they see a pathway to first team football here and then onto the Prem. My concern is that, lately, very hard to academy players to see that path to the first team...as KD mentioned. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:42 - May 23 with 2620 views | Parsley |
Agent angling for a bigger contract offer? Seems unlikely to me that someone who hasn't really broken into the first team in League One at 18 would make it at Arsenal. Haven't seen him play so happy to be corrected. |  | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:43 - May 23 with 2605 views | wrightsrightglove |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:31 - May 23 by itfcjoe |
After Gibbs, and now Simpson not getting deals agreed when their form (either within club on loan) dictates that they should be getting one then it makes it important that something gets agreed.
Chirewa, like Gibbs, is one who signed a pro deal on his 17th birthday as a top prospect - doesn't often happen here - and backed that up by showing great form all season and getting to fringes of first team squad whilst still an U18. |
Fingers crossed as part of the new ownership we’ll have a more organised and structured approach to retaining our young players and convincing them of the pathway to the first team. Think it was maybe already a losing battle with regards to Simpson but hopefully Ashton has it covered moving forwards. | | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:44 - May 23 with 2586 views | wkj |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:39 - May 23 by homer_123 |
Agreed, here's the thing though. If he know Prem clubs are interested, even if we offer the best terms we can - we cannot compete at that level. Just not possible.
What we hope is that they see a pathway to first team football here and then onto the Prem. My concern is that, lately, very hard to academy players to see that path to the first team...as KD mentioned. |
I think those pathways will become much better in the coming seasons, but too late for the likes of Gibbs, Simpson and possibly Chirewa.
The lack of adequate player assets left by M.E., a takeover and a string of sh*te managers probably had a huge impact on the pathways. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:44 - May 23 with 2584 views | JDB23 |
Speaking of youth players, where on earth do we see Dobra next year? Wasn’t too long ago Lambert was getting pelters for not playing him and Brighton were sniffing around, almost seems like a forgotten player now. Have to think he’s one we’ll probably try to move on? | | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:46 - May 23 with 2555 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:44 - May 23 by JDB23 |
Speaking of youth players, where on earth do we see Dobra next year? Wasn’t too long ago Lambert was getting pelters for not playing him and Brighton were sniffing around, almost seems like a forgotten player now. Have to think he’s one we’ll probably try to move on? |
was just about to ask the same thing. cant see him making it here now | | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:47 - May 23 with 2542 views | homer_123 |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:46 - May 23 by abracaDOBRA_ |
was just about to ask the same thing. cant see him making it here now |
Reckon we'll see Dobra and El Miz leave. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:48 - May 23 with 2526 views | homer_123 |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:44 - May 23 by wkj |
I think those pathways will become much better in the coming seasons, but too late for the likes of Gibbs, Simpson and possibly Chirewa.
The lack of adequate player assets left by M.E., a takeover and a string of sh*te managers probably had a huge impact on the pathways. |
And, still the need to get out of this division asap, means managers will still likely focus on a more finished article than risk youth. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:48 - May 23 with 2526 views | PhilTWTD |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:47 - May 23 by homer_123 |
Reckon we'll see Dobra and El Miz leave. |
Think you're right. |  | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:48 - May 23 with 2527 views | wkj |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:46 - May 23 by abracaDOBRA_ |
was just about to ask the same thing. cant see him making it here now |
Me either. Seems like a nice lad with bags of energy - but that energy seems to run our really fast. I doubt he has a future above this division. *Delighted if I am wrong and this gets pulled up later down the line. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:49 - May 23 with 2519 views | itfcjoe |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:39 - May 23 by homer_123 |
Agreed, here's the thing though. If he know Prem clubs are interested, even if we offer the best terms we can - we cannot compete at that level. Just not possible.
What we hope is that they see a pathway to first team football here and then onto the Prem. My concern is that, lately, very hard to academy players to see that path to the first team...as KD mentioned. |
You also have to offer a contract commensurate with being on that pathway as well - which is where we have fallen down in negotiations with Gibbs and Simpson | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:50 - May 23 with 2496 views | itfcjoe |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:44 - May 23 by JDB23 |
Speaking of youth players, where on earth do we see Dobra next year? Wasn’t too long ago Lambert was getting pelters for not playing him and Brighton were sniffing around, almost seems like a forgotten player now. Have to think he’s one we’ll probably try to move on? |
I guess he'll have a chance to make an impact in pre season, but got a long way to go - it's such a disappointment as he was probably the main highlight of pre season last year and deserved an opportunity - wrong time, wrong place - but really can't see him making it here now | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:51 - May 23 with 2479 views | homer_123 |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:49 - May 23 by itfcjoe |
You also have to offer a contract commensurate with being on that pathway as well - which is where we have fallen down in negotiations with Gibbs and Simpson |
Certainly seems that way doesn't it.
Those contracts offered clearly didn't indicate that the pathway was open to them...so, very little incentive for them to sign them. | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:56 - May 23 with 2441 views | wkj |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:42 - May 23 by Parsley |
Agent angling for a bigger contract offer? Seems unlikely to me that someone who hasn't really broken into the first team in League One at 18 would make it at Arsenal. Haven't seen him play so happy to be corrected. |
All part of the youth-merry-go-round. If someone shows potential and promise, gett'em whilst the cost a few hundred thousand in compensation rather than 22 million if they come good whilst playing for their academy club (James Maddison went to Leicester for that fee at the age of 21) | |
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| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:56 - May 23 with 2444 views | tractorboy1978 |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:51 - May 23 by homer_123 |
Certainly seems that way doesn't it.
Those contracts offered clearly didn't indicate that the pathway was open to them...so, very little incentive for them to sign them. |
The fact between him and Humphreys they only got about 15 mins of football at the back end of the season (in dead rubbers) is pretty damning as well.
You've got to hope both of them come into pre-season flying and McKenna is willing to give them an opportunity next season. It's more likely another season of investment sees them pushed further away from the first team though. | | | |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:58 - May 23 with 2422 views | wkj |
| All eyes on Chirewa next season then... on 15:56 - May 23 by tractorboy1978 |
The fact between him and Humphreys they only got about 15 mins of football at the back end of the season (in dead rubbers) is pretty damning as well.
You've got to hope both of them come into pre-season flying and McKenna is willing to give them an opportunity next season. It's more likely another season of investment sees them pushed further away from the first team though. |
This is another reason why getting commanding leads is important. Back in the Burley Era, you could guarantee that a teenage KD would be running on if we were 2-0 up in the second half. [Post edited 23 May 2022 15:58]
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