| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key 22:40 - Oct 21 with 2439 views | unstableblue |
Really not a great display from the Town players.
Donacien, Evans, Ladapo, JJ had poor games.
Harness and Morsy, and Edmundson and The Wolf showed the quality we’ll need to get promoted
It does worry me whether we have the backbone to dominate the big games in this league.
BUT! but…. Derby had real quality in some of their players, and they gave us a battle. And THE THREE POINTS was the order of the day.
I just hope that this seasons we can get a 28k crowd and turn it on properly! |  |
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| Wanted to add… on 22:45 - Oct 21 with 2378 views | unstableblue |
…. That there were 4 or 5 occasions in the second half when with more composure we could have release really good attacked behind their lines and the last man… but we were just lacking quality and players stepping up | |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 23:00 - Oct 21 with 2273 views | StokieBlue |
Once again living up to your username.
Harness wasn't great today, gave the ball away a lot, especially in the first half. Improved second half but he wasn't in our best players for me (especially when you've left out Jackson who was clearly one of our best players).
However more importantly, we did pretty much dominate the game if you look at the stats:
- 16 shots vs 5 shots
- 0 shots on target for Derby
- 11 corners to 3 corners
- More possession
- More pass accuracy
- Won a penalty
What's even stranger is that you say they are a big team then you expect us to dominate them. Surely in a league of teams, if you're playing a big one it should be difficult to dominate them and you certainly shouldn't do it all the while.
It's hard to know what you are expecting us to do? Should we be thrashing Derby 6-0? What you expect seems to change every week. It wasn't our best ever performance but it's exactly what we need against the bigger teams if we are going to get automatically promoted.
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 23:31 - Oct 21 with 2129 views | ArnieM |
Did Derby actually muster a real shot in goal? I can’t remember one tbh ….
Like a lot of opposition that come to PR they try the high press, but tend to run out of steam on 20mins. To their credit Derby managed it until 25mins. We then had far more space . But our own passing game wasn’t great tonight , and I would agree JD and Burns st times weren’t functioning like the well oiled combination they usually are. Maybe opponents have sussed us down that flank because whenever Woolfie put the ball wide down that flank FOUR Derby players went to close down on many occasions.
But we got the 3pts we deserved in my view. Derby didn’t really pose much threat I felt….. |  |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 23:37 - Oct 21 with 2085 views | N2_Blue |
I like you UB, however I think you are being way too harsh and need some perspective which others have tried to give you.
Sides like Derby aren't just going to roll over. we were made to work for it, but after Lincoln this was an excellent result and the performance did exactly what was needed.
Port Vale away isn't an easy game but I could see them getting a lesson from us, as we have extra days rest and I believe this result will have restored a bit of confidence after the Lincoln game. |  |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 23:42 - Oct 21 with 2023 views | GlasgowBlue |
You must have been watching a different game mate. |  |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 23:42 - Oct 21 with 2023 views | N2_Blue |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 23:37 - Oct 21 by N2_Blue |
I like you UB, however I think you are being way too harsh and need some perspective which others have tried to give you.
Sides like Derby aren't just going to roll over. we were made to work for it, but after Lincoln this was an excellent result and the performance did exactly what was needed.
Port Vale away isn't an easy game but I could see them getting a lesson from us, as we have extra days rest and I believe this result will have restored a bit of confidence after the Lincoln game. |
If you think it's sub-optimal UnstableBlue, read/listen to McKennas post match interview. Absolutely spot on, the guy is sheer class. Nothing sub-optimal about tonight, yes not at our fluent convincing best, but that was a good win and still a very solid performance | |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 01:07 - Oct 22 with 1827 views | unstableblue |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 23:42 - Oct 21 by N2_Blue |
If you think it's sub-optimal UnstableBlue, read/listen to McKennas post match interview. Absolutely spot on, the guy is sheer class. Nothing sub-optimal about tonight, yes not at our fluent convincing best, but that was a good win and still a very solid performance |
Hey N2 - loved your respectful replies and of course McKennas post match is something to cherish - the guy is just intelligent, insightful and sheer class
BUT, I will say it again, because it’s true, we did not have enough players at 7/8/9…. Too many at 5/6 tonight
Yes Derby are good and a challenge… AND OF COURSE ALL THAT MATTERED TONIGHT WAS THE 3 POINTS - but Town can and should have played much better | |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 01:29 - Oct 22 with 1773 views | ClareBlue |
Well I thought they played pretty well. Some of the first touches were of a high standard and the tempo quick for this level of football. We are 3rd tier and whilst we might be better than that at season end we are not streets above it. There is a reason we are in this division and that's our level and that's basically the players we have.
There was no lack of commitment and energy against a decent enough opposition. Stadium was bouncing despite what sky did to the sound. It's not like everyone doesn't know what the fans were shouting, so why turn the sound down.
All in all a good entertaining night and a needed win to get back on track. I wouldn't over analyse it, just accept it for what it was. A great Friday night. It pissing rain waiting for the 2.15am bus to Stansted but we don't care. |  | | |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 06:21 - Oct 22 with 1598 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 23:31 - Oct 21 by ArnieM |
Did Derby actually muster a real shot in goal? I can’t remember one tbh ….
Like a lot of opposition that come to PR they try the high press, but tend to run out of steam on 20mins. To their credit Derby managed it until 25mins. We then had far more space . But our own passing game wasn’t great tonight , and I would agree JD and Burns st times weren’t functioning like the well oiled combination they usually are. Maybe opponents have sussed us down that flank because whenever Woolfie put the ball wide down that flank FOUR Derby players went to close down on many occasions.
But we got the 3pts we deserved in my view. Derby didn’t really pose much threat I felt….. |
Agreed. I never felt they were a threat. It was a hard game for us as they were well organised, pressed well in their own half and got players behind the ball. They had spells of possession but never really did anything with it. And they’ve got some good players. At the tail end of their careers maybe but several were at a much higher level a couple of years ago. They’re no mugs even if the legs aren’t quite there. |  |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 08:51 - Oct 22 with 1318 views | Darth_Koont |
After seeing the sides that have gone up over the past 20 years of the Championship and League One, we played exactly like an automatic promotion team. And Derby played like they were away to an automatic promotion team.
Our games will look more and more scrappy and tight as teams forget about trying to open us up themselves but shutting us down in their half instead. In recent memory the only sides who continued to dominate and play great football even as promotion favourites were probably Bournemouth and Fulham. Sides that look “pretty” tend to finish in the playoffs and they get standout performances and results because oppositions open up in the knowledge they can have a go at getting a win themselves.
In the context of teams now looking to stop us winning and grab a point, performances and results like last night’s are way more impressive than ripping apart teams that think it’s worth gambling on a win. It’s also an indication of our strength and how far we’ve come that we now seem to be treated with a lot more respect. |  |
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| You sound like a Derby fan ffs on 08:54 - Oct 22 with 1310 views | Dyland |
Which I know you aren't :)
It wasn't that great but we were better than the oppo and well deserving of the three points.
The end. |  |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:03 - Oct 22 with 1247 views | DJR |
Technically we were very poor with so many passes going astray. Mick Mills also thought it was a poor display. Interestingly, he said Brian Talbot was at the game. It sounds like Talbot doesn't get to see us often, and he told Mills at half time that it was he was expecting much better given the reports he had received about the team. Of course, in terms of effort and possession we more than deserved to win, and Derby were very disappointing, but last night did make me realise how far we have fallen in technical terms since Mills and Talbot's days. |  | | |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:06 - Oct 22 with 1234 views | StokieBlue |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:03 - Oct 22 by DJR |
Technically we were very poor with so many passes going astray. Mick Mills also thought it was a poor display. Interestingly, he said Brian Talbot was at the game. It sounds like Talbot doesn't get to see us often, and he told Mills at half time that it was he was expecting much better given the reports he had received about the team. Of course, in terms of effort and possession we more than deserved to win, and Derby were very disappointing, but last night did make me realise how far we have fallen in technical terms since Mills and Talbot's days. |
We weren't great last night but a lot of that was a more effective press than usual from Derby.
Mills never had two or three opposition players standing on the edge of the box when he received the ball when he was playing, in fact it was usually kicked long. I am sure he would have coped as he was a quality player but it's not as easy as they might make out to pass through that.
Also comparing a UEFA cup teams players to a team in League Ones players isn't really very fair. Some context really needs to be taken into account here.
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| Innit on 09:10 - Oct 22 with 1197 views | Dyland |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 08:51 - Oct 22 by Darth_Koont |
After seeing the sides that have gone up over the past 20 years of the Championship and League One, we played exactly like an automatic promotion team. And Derby played like they were away to an automatic promotion team.
Our games will look more and more scrappy and tight as teams forget about trying to open us up themselves but shutting us down in their half instead. In recent memory the only sides who continued to dominate and play great football even as promotion favourites were probably Bournemouth and Fulham. Sides that look “pretty” tend to finish in the playoffs and they get standout performances and results because oppositions open up in the knowledge they can have a go at getting a win themselves.
In the context of teams now looking to stop us winning and grab a point, performances and results like last night’s are way more impressive than ripping apart teams that think it’s worth gambling on a win. It’s also an indication of our strength and how far we’ve come that we now seem to be treated with a lot more respect. |
Fantastic result and a decent performance last night. I didn't feel like we were going to lose... though we didn't create enough to warrant any over the top optimism. | |
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:18 - Oct 22 with 1160 views | braveblue |
What? Beat a side from the championship last year. Dominated large parts of the game. Their manager says we are nailed on to go up.
Also, Harness gave the ball away constantly. Donacien and Evans had far from poor games.
Don’t get it but just opinions. | | | |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:25 - Oct 22 with 1106 views | DJR |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:06 - Oct 22 by StokieBlue |
We weren't great last night but a lot of that was a more effective press than usual from Derby.
Mills never had two or three opposition players standing on the edge of the box when he received the ball when he was playing, in fact it was usually kicked long. I am sure he would have coped as he was a quality player but it's not as easy as they might make out to pass through that.
Also comparing a UEFA cup teams players to a team in League Ones players isn't really very fair. Some context really needs to be taken into account here.
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I realise the comparison is probably unfair. But I do feel that our players often lack composure and can be a bit like headless chickens. And the opposition press can't explain our inability to put in decent corners, which often either don't get beyond the first man, or go sailing across at the back. Or our inability to get a free header on target. | | | |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:28 - Oct 22 with 1090 views | StokieBlue |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:25 - Oct 22 by DJR |
I realise the comparison is probably unfair. But I do feel that our players often lack composure and can be a bit like headless chickens. And the opposition press can't explain our inability to put in decent corners, which often either don't get beyond the first man, or go sailing across at the back. Or our inability to get a free header on target. |
You don't think our corners have improved hugely this season? I think we have been giving decent delivery from Evans and Davis, I also believe that is reflected in the attacking stats regarding corners.
It could also be a function of the fact we have loads of corners (more than 30 in the last two matches I believe) so just from the law of averages some of them will be good.
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| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:53 - Oct 22 with 1026 views | DJR |
| A ‘sub-optimal’ performance in front of so many fans… but 3 points is key on 09:28 - Oct 22 by StokieBlue |
You don't think our corners have improved hugely this season? I think we have been giving decent delivery from Evans and Davis, I also believe that is reflected in the attacking stats regarding corners.
It could also be a function of the fact we have loads of corners (more than 30 in the last two matches I believe) so just from the law of averages some of them will be good.
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I think they have improved but I still think there is no excuse for a professional footballer not to get the ball past the first man. Interestingly, one thing I noticed at the Lincoln game in particular was that virtually all our corners were outswingers. Now this must be deliberate but my experience of playing at a very low level was that inswinging corners were more effective from an attacking point of view. | | | |
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