| tax evasion ? 17:36 - Jan 26 with 2339 views | HARRY10 |
"There are no penalties for innocent errors in your tax affairs." Jim Harra, the chief executive of HM Revenue and Customs
So given that Zahawi paid a penalty, can we assume the intention was to evade paying tax that was due. ? A deliberate attempt, not careless, as previously claimed.
The Prime Miniatures official spokesperson said that Sunak was not aware that Zahawi had paid a penalty to HMRC when he told MPs in the Commons last week his colleague had “addressed the matter in full”
whereas
The Sunday, before Sunak made that claim in Parliament, we had "the Sun on Sunday reported on 14 January 2023 that Mr Zahawi’s representatives would pay a “seven-figure sum” to settle a dispute with HMRC."
Are we to believe that nobody bothered to tell Sunak what a national newspaper was reporting - more so given the serious nature and the implications of that report ? And that by the following week somebody does appear to have told Sunak. But as he has appointed someone to look inti the matter no comment can be made.
How have we reached the point where someone being investigated by various government agencies over previous non paymnt of tax is appointed as the person to be in charge of tax ?
Gross incompetence under Johnson and Truss was one thing, but serious fraud takes this to another level
It makes porno pete the Parliamentary pud puller seem harmless....not so Chris Pincher the pincher, Ahmad Khan the child molester, Owen Paterson the bribe taker, Julian Knight allegations of sexual assault, David Warburton allegations of sexual harassment and cocaine use, an unamed Tory MP arrested on suspicion of rape and sexual assault offences, Charlie Elphicke jailed for three counts of sexual assault.
Tory MPs, almost as bad as the Met |  | | |  |
| tax evasion ? on 17:57 - Jan 26 with 2287 views | factual_blue |
Is there a YouGov poll about Zahawi's 'error'? |  |
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| tax evasion ? on 17:59 - Jan 26 with 2276 views | DanTheMan |
Honestly the whole thing is obviously not "I've done a whoopsy" with this simply because their were lawyers threatening people who tried to report on it. So he obviously knew what he was doing and didn't want it coming out. |  |
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| tax evasion ? on 18:01 - Jan 26 with 2255 views | chicoazul |
We fully agree about the Met Harold. |  |
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| tax evasion ? on 18:10 - Jan 26 with 2214 views | gtsb1966 |
I absolutely detest this government BUT if any of us could pay less tax and use any means to make that happen we would. No argument. I'm loving the fact he is in the shoite though and it reflects badly on Sunak's judgment. |  | | |
| tax evasion ? on 18:54 - Jan 26 with 2134 views | HARRY10 |
| tax evasion ? on 18:10 - Jan 26 by gtsb1966 |
I absolutely detest this government BUT if any of us could pay less tax and use any means to make that happen we would. No argument. I'm loving the fact he is in the shoite though and it reflects badly on Sunak's judgment. |
Nope, have a read of Graham Nortons view on pying tax - and with this crok would the money he evaded paying xchnged his life ?
What is forgotten is that the tax liability is already factored into your pay. I have never known of a cash in hand jobe being equal to one that goes through the books should it should be recognised that you do not py tax, it is a liability upon your employer.
Th real question to Sunal (the Prime Miniature) is what hold has Zhawi over him and others ? He would have gained some kudos by booting him out. In fact by not appointing him in the first place, whereas now he is having to misreprensent (lie) about this whole shtfest
As to yougov they had on 18/19 Jan Lab on 48%, Tory 26% which would translate in Lab 456 MPs & Tory 98% MPs. Iron out the blips (loony Truss's mad month) and you are seeing a slow but steady divergence. Lab 40% Tory 33% this time last year. So much for the supposed Sunak bounce.
I doubt this tax stuff has boosted the Tory support, though it, as with so much else, will have boosted a few of their bank balances. | | | |
| tax evasion ? on 19:04 - Jan 26 with 2087 views | TractorWood |
It was clearly a complex arrangement settling some options or something from a hideously successful business.
I suspect he'll be raising an enormous negligence claim with the lawyers and accountants who will pay him out asap under their PII policies.
I suspect he would have had very little involvement in the advice and execution of paying the liability. As is usually the way with complex businesses and entrepreneurs.
To imply he's done it on purpose is pretty short sighted to how advisory actually works in reality. |  |
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| tax evasion ? on 19:27 - Jan 26 with 2026 views | Swansea_Blue |
| tax evasion ? on 17:59 - Jan 26 by DanTheMan |
Honestly the whole thing is obviously not "I've done a whoopsy" with this simply because their were lawyers threatening people who tried to report on it. So he obviously knew what he was doing and didn't want it coming out. |
It was imported we tax payers paid to keep his horses warm too. He’s one slimy toad that one. Morally he should be gone already (and if there’s any justice, you think he’d be facing charges). Politically, Sunak can’t afford to keep him on - think of the fun labour will have with this, as it plays into the stereotype of the wealthy, out of touch Tory playing outside of the rules. Yet Sunak seems too spineless to do anything about it. |  |
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| tax evasion ? on 19:27 - Jan 26 with 2024 views | Pinewoodblue |
If you try to avoid paying tax and get caught then clearly you have been careless otherwise you wouldn’t get found out. |  |
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| tax evasion ? on 19:33 - Jan 26 with 1998 views | Swansea_Blue |
| tax evasion ? on 19:04 - Jan 26 by TractorWood |
It was clearly a complex arrangement settling some options or something from a hideously successful business.
I suspect he'll be raising an enormous negligence claim with the lawyers and accountants who will pay him out asap under their PII policies.
I suspect he would have had very little involvement in the advice and execution of paying the liability. As is usually the way with complex businesses and entrepreneurs.
To imply he's done it on purpose is pretty short sighted to how advisory actually works in reality. |
I can’t see any way he was moving funds around the family involving trusts, shares, ‘mortgages’ without being fully aware of what was happening. Financial advisors don’t do these things autonomously. He and his father will have needed to give approvals at several stages. | |
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| tax evasion ? on 20:11 - Jan 26 with 1938 views | HARRY10 |
| tax evasion ? on 19:04 - Jan 26 by TractorWood |
It was clearly a complex arrangement settling some options or something from a hideously successful business.
I suspect he'll be raising an enormous negligence claim with the lawyers and accountants who will pay him out asap under their PII policies.
I suspect he would have had very little involvement in the advice and execution of paying the liability. As is usually the way with complex businesses and entrepreneurs.
To imply he's done it on purpose is pretty short sighted to how advisory actually works in reality. |
I doubt even you believe that old guff, or imagine anyone else does
The company was set up originally to avoid any future tax liability.
He lied since, claiming he did not receive any dividends from Balshore Investments, he did - and even failed to declare when beconing an MP required him to do so
Once his tax evasion over the sale of yougov was exposed he threatened the journalist involved, claiming smears. Again this was a lie on his part and the story prived true.
I suspect more of his murky past (see Jeffrey Archer/ Zahawi) will eventully come out.
I am not sure why you have put up this Parrot Sketch attempt to defend this crook. It is obvious to everyone else what he has been up to. | | | |
| tax evasion ? on 20:22 - Jan 26 with 1909 views | bluelagos |
| tax evasion ? on 19:04 - Jan 26 by TractorWood |
It was clearly a complex arrangement settling some options or something from a hideously successful business.
I suspect he'll be raising an enormous negligence claim with the lawyers and accountants who will pay him out asap under their PII policies.
I suspect he would have had very little involvement in the advice and execution of paying the liability. As is usually the way with complex businesses and entrepreneurs.
To imply he's done it on purpose is pretty short sighted to how advisory actually works in reality. |
The problem with the "he was hands off" argument is that he used his laywers to threaten legal action against journalists/reporters by issuing Slapp orders to stop them reporting on this.
That action is not consistent with someone who is hands off and leaves things to his accountants. |  |
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| tax evasion ? on 20:40 - Jan 26 with 1887 views | HARRY10 |
| tax evasion ? on 20:22 - Jan 26 by bluelagos |
The problem with the "he was hands off" argument is that he used his laywers to threaten legal action against journalists/reporters by issuing Slapp orders to stop them reporting on this.
That action is not consistent with someone who is hands off and leaves things to his accountants. |
These were not blind trusts either.
Below is a detailed breakdown of what Zahawi was up to. A very detailed account of his 'dodgy' activities. It is by a respected group withi the world of tax. One that is not going to make unfounded allegations, if not for just loss of credibility, but also the laws of liable.
It is astonishing that with such evidence against, the Prime Miniature is risking it all by trying to cover for this crook.
https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2022/07/13/zahawi-capital/ | | | |
| tax evasion ? on 20:42 - Jan 28 with 1545 views | HARRY10 |
| tax evasion ? on 20:40 - Jan 26 by HARRY10 |
These were not blind trusts either.
Below is a detailed breakdown of what Zahawi was up to. A very detailed account of his 'dodgy' activities. It is by a respected group withi the world of tax. One that is not going to make unfounded allegations, if not for just loss of credibility, but also the laws of liable.
It is astonishing that with such evidence against, the Prime Miniature is risking it all by trying to cover for this crook.
https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2022/07/13/zahawi-capital/ |
If "Various sources have claimed, however, that additional, informal advice was given to Sunak in the days around the appointment by cabinet secretary Simon Case and senior officials, warning him of reputational risks to the government as a result of Zahawi’s finances and the HMRC dispute" ........
then the current Prime Minature is in the sh it, as with the gutbucket..... for lying to Parliament
And it is a very thin defence to claim somebody did not make you aware of something that was being carried by the mainstream media.
I suspect the lying is what will do for him
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/28/sunak-was-warned-of-zahawi-reput | | | |
| tax evasion ? on 21:09 - Jan 28 with 1500 views | TractorWood |
| tax evasion ? on 20:11 - Jan 26 by HARRY10 |
I doubt even you believe that old guff, or imagine anyone else does
The company was set up originally to avoid any future tax liability.
He lied since, claiming he did not receive any dividends from Balshore Investments, he did - and even failed to declare when beconing an MP required him to do so
Once his tax evasion over the sale of yougov was exposed he threatened the journalist involved, claiming smears. Again this was a lie on his part and the story prived true.
I suspect more of his murky past (see Jeffrey Archer/ Zahawi) will eventully come out.
I am not sure why you have put up this Parrot Sketch attempt to defend this crook. It is obvious to everyone else what he has been up to. |
It's not whether I believe it or not or whether it's morally agreeable. It's just reality. | |
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| tax evasion ? on 21:27 - Jan 28 with 1463 views | TractorWood |
| tax evasion ? on 20:40 - Jan 26 by HARRY10 |
These were not blind trusts either.
Below is a detailed breakdown of what Zahawi was up to. A very detailed account of his 'dodgy' activities. It is by a respected group withi the world of tax. One that is not going to make unfounded allegations, if not for just loss of credibility, but also the laws of liable.
It is astonishing that with such evidence against, the Prime Miniature is risking it all by trying to cover for this crook.
https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2022/07/13/zahawi-capital/ |
All the accounts appear unaudited. I don't disagree with any of the detective work but firstly, the disclosures in small accounts are so limited that few of the assumptions can be corroborated and the scale of the error is only material due to its later success and enormous valuation at and post IPO.
Error found from when it was exempt, corrected by paying the tax and settling with HMRC. Done.
To get lost in this when the big boys get away with the ruthlessly enormous transfer pricing to tax havens is pretty myopic in my eyes. I'm all for kicking the Tories like Liz Truss for her gasoline and match stick economics but this is just Biden/Trump document esque whataboutery. | |
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| tax evasion ? on 21:37 - Jan 28 with 1444 views | HARRY10 |
| tax evasion ? on 21:09 - Jan 28 by TractorWood |
It's not whether I believe it or not or whether it's morally agreeable. It's just reality. |
That makes no sense whatsoever
"I suspect he'll be raising an enormous negligence claim with the lawyers and accountants who will pay him out asap under their PII policies. I suspect he would have had very little involvement in the advice and execution of paying the liability. As is usually the way with complex businesses and entrepreneurs. To imply he's done it on purpose is pretty short sighted to how advisory actually works in reality. "
It was 'on purpose', as that is why the Tax Office fined him. They don't fine any innocent mistake. To suggest accountants unilaterally committed this fraud unbeknown to Zahawi takes your stupidity to a level even righties are not expected to achieve.
Where there is liability on the part of any lawyers lord alone knows.
What is obvious is that you have not the slightest idea about this despite it being clearly spelt out elsewhere
I can only surmise you are the duty idiot for the righties this evening. | | | |
| tax evasion ? on 06:01 - Jan 29 with 1291 views | TractorWood |
| tax evasion ? on 21:37 - Jan 28 by HARRY10 |
That makes no sense whatsoever
"I suspect he'll be raising an enormous negligence claim with the lawyers and accountants who will pay him out asap under their PII policies. I suspect he would have had very little involvement in the advice and execution of paying the liability. As is usually the way with complex businesses and entrepreneurs. To imply he's done it on purpose is pretty short sighted to how advisory actually works in reality. "
It was 'on purpose', as that is why the Tax Office fined him. They don't fine any innocent mistake. To suggest accountants unilaterally committed this fraud unbeknown to Zahawi takes your stupidity to a level even righties are not expected to achieve.
Where there is liability on the part of any lawyers lord alone knows.
What is obvious is that you have not the slightest idea about this despite it being clearly spelt out elsewhere
I can only surmise you are the duty idiot for the righties this evening. |
You are correct that it would not be unilateral, he cannot absolve himself from the liability. As you rightly quote me, I never said this, I just said in reality he probably wasn't close to the detail as he most likely engaged experts.
The accountants will have created a duty of care to their client on engagement. At that point on, they are advising their client on what he can and can't, should and shouldn't do. If Zahawi is to then take that advice and ignore it on the personal belief that the advice is wrong, despite the accountants/lawyers probably being experts in their field and being engaged to help with the safety of indemnity insurance for professional negligence, it makes the entire advice gathering process pretty pointless. A bit like you or I not signing a will because of having read it cover to cover, we don't believe a life interest or something to be legally permissable.
I don't refute the error, I don't refute his legal responsibility, which he has settled. I am merely pointing out how these things normally work.
The HMRCs CEO statement is kind of true. As you imply you can get penalties and interest for a careless mistake which is short of deliberate. So a careless mistake must be one of guilt.
I'm not really sure what happened to your last two paragraphs. Not really in the spirit of our other exchanges on a OP you made and I've tried to give you some practical context on. I guess the philosophical question here is, is it right to have a chancellor who has complex entrepreneurial affairs where this type of thing is incredibly likely to come up? I think the answer is no. [Post edited 29 Jan 2023 6:14]
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| tax evasion ? on 09:04 - Jan 29 with 1155 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| tax evasion ? on 06:01 - Jan 29 by TractorWood |
You are correct that it would not be unilateral, he cannot absolve himself from the liability. As you rightly quote me, I never said this, I just said in reality he probably wasn't close to the detail as he most likely engaged experts.
The accountants will have created a duty of care to their client on engagement. At that point on, they are advising their client on what he can and can't, should and shouldn't do. If Zahawi is to then take that advice and ignore it on the personal belief that the advice is wrong, despite the accountants/lawyers probably being experts in their field and being engaged to help with the safety of indemnity insurance for professional negligence, it makes the entire advice gathering process pretty pointless. A bit like you or I not signing a will because of having read it cover to cover, we don't believe a life interest or something to be legally permissable.
I don't refute the error, I don't refute his legal responsibility, which he has settled. I am merely pointing out how these things normally work.
The HMRCs CEO statement is kind of true. As you imply you can get penalties and interest for a careless mistake which is short of deliberate. So a careless mistake must be one of guilt.
I'm not really sure what happened to your last two paragraphs. Not really in the spirit of our other exchanges on a OP you made and I've tried to give you some practical context on. I guess the philosophical question here is, is it right to have a chancellor who has complex entrepreneurial affairs where this type of thing is incredibly likely to come up? I think the answer is no. [Post edited 29 Jan 2023 6:14]
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You can stand down now…he’s been sacked. | | | |
| tax evasion ? on 12:47 - Jan 29 with 1075 views | HARRY10 |
| tax evasion ? on 21:27 - Jan 28 by TractorWood |
All the accounts appear unaudited. I don't disagree with any of the detective work but firstly, the disclosures in small accounts are so limited that few of the assumptions can be corroborated and the scale of the error is only material due to its later success and enormous valuation at and post IPO.
Error found from when it was exempt, corrected by paying the tax and settling with HMRC. Done.
To get lost in this when the big boys get away with the ruthlessly enormous transfer pricing to tax havens is pretty myopic in my eyes. I'm all for kicking the Tories like Liz Truss for her gasoline and match stick economics but this is just Biden/Trump document esque whataboutery. |
What total nonsense, blown out of the water by the sacking of this corrupt tax dodger
What was found was not an 'error', but a deiberate attempt at tax evasion, hence the penalty.
Guilty as charged, and proven | | | |
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