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Get in there TW4TDERS on 11:44 - May 18 by jontysnut
Rick is currently doing an 'evening with' tour
Thanks for the tip. I just looked though and the only dates from now are Scarborough, Leeds and Glasgow.
I’m in Edinburgh at end of the month so I could possibly bring it forward a few days to make the Glasgow show but I’m sort of out of credit with the wife.
Mmmmmmmm.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Perhaps interestingly, the Jam were my favourite band when they were in existence, but I don't think their music has stood the test of time, in the way, say, that the music of the Clash has.
And as an aside, I worked in the early 80s with someone who had worked at the same printing firm as Bruce Foxton, before his music career took off.
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Get in there TW4TDERS on 08:31 - May 19 with 2984 views
Perhaps interestingly, the Jam were my favourite band when they were in existence, but I don't think their music has stood the test of time, in the way, say, that the music of the Clash has.
And as an aside, I worked in the early 80s with someone who had worked at the same printing firm as Bruce Foxton, before his music career took off.
Little known Clash trivia. Mick Jones cousin is Grant Shapps.
Get in there TW4TDERS on 08:31 - May 19 by GlasgowBlue
Little known Clash trivia. Mick Jones cousin is Grant Shapps.
Yes, I remember reading that.
Interestingly, people of Jewish descent like Mick Jones, played a very important role in punk music, as the following from Wikipedia indicates.
As early as the 1970s, musicians of Jewish descent played a prominent role in the development of punk rock, particularly in the New York scene. A notable example was proto-punk band The Dictators, whose members Ross "The Boss" Friedman, Andy Shernoff, "Handsome Dick" Manitoba (born Richard Blum), and Mark "The Animal" Mendoza (born Mark Glickman) were Jewish. Similarly, Lou Reed, Richard Hell, the New York Dolls' Sylvain Sylvain, and Joey and Tommy Ramone of the Ramones were also of Jewish descent. Hillel "Hilly" Kristal founded the club CBGB, which became a prominent venue for punk bands. The Jewish members of New York rap rock group The Beastie Boys began as a hardcore punk band and continued to incorporate punk elements into their music throughout their career. In 2009, Manitoba, Tommy Ramone, Patti Smith guitarist Lenny Kaye, and Chris Stein of Blondie hosted a panel at the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research called "Loud, Fast Jews", discussing the Jewish contribution to punk.
In the United Kingdom, the Sex Pistols were shaped by Jewish manager Malcolm McLaren, and The Clash's Mick Jones and Joe Strummer were both of Jewish descent, as was their manager Bernard Rhodes.
EDIT: Someone even wrote a book about the subject, which is on my list of things to buy.
Perhaps interestingly, the Jam were my favourite band when they were in existence, but I don't think their music has stood the test of time, in the way, say, that the music of the Clash has.
And as an aside, I worked in the early 80s with someone who had worked at the same printing firm as Bruce Foxton, before his music career took off.
You're entitled to your opinion and it is right of course - it has to be as its your opinion. My opinion however is somewhat different and the stats back it up. The Jam had 4 No 1's, Style Council had none. The Jam had 9 top 10's, Style Council had 7. The Jam had 24 top 40's, Style Council had 15. Down in the Tube Sstation, Going Underground, David Watts, A Bomb in Wardour St, News of the World, Modern World. Come on, better that lot.
You're entitled to your opinion and it is right of course - it has to be as its your opinion. My opinion however is somewhat different and the stats back it up. The Jam had 4 No 1's, Style Council had none. The Jam had 9 top 10's, Style Council had 7. The Jam had 24 top 40's, Style Council had 15. Down in the Tube Sstation, Going Underground, David Watts, A Bomb in Wardour St, News of the World, Modern World. Come on, better that lot.
Easy.
Of the singles: Speak Like A Child Long Hot Summer Ever Changing Moods Walls Come Tumbling Down
Non singles: With Everything To Lose Headstart for Happiness Internationalists It's A Very Deep Sea
And as you've included a cover that's not better than the original, so will I - Promised Land.
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Get in there TW4TDERS on 10:05 - May 19 with 2770 views
Get in there TW4TDERS on 09:47 - May 19 by Lord_Lucan
The Jam were never a punk band anyway, it's just that punk was around when The Jam broke through with In the City.
Paul Weller was happy driving around Woking on his scooter when punk was kicking off.
I suppose a lot of former pub rock bands jumped on the bandwagon, including even the Clash, but they were at heart rockers in contrast to Weller who was more of a soul boy, and perhaps this explains the slightly artificial or forced nature of the music he wrote for the Jam in the early years, although at the time I loved it.
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Get in there TW4TDERS on 10:10 - May 19 with 2739 views
Perhaps interestingly, the Jam were my favourite band when they were in existence, but I don't think their music has stood the test of time, in the way, say, that the music of the Clash has.
And as an aside, I worked in the early 80s with someone who had worked at the same printing firm as Bruce Foxton, before his music career took off.
Never got the Clash tbh, maybe an age thing, maybe a style thing. They were just ahead of 'my time' i,e I was 12, plus the then large Rock n Roll scene looked and sounded more interesting, as did the Soul Boys I'd see around, dress up, great music, great clubs. Having said that, the postcard punk look was more manufactured and carefully orchestrated than either of those. No Svengalis driving the Mod resurgence, which led to it being castigated in the press by the end of 1980. Bad news for the press was that it was made of stronger stuff at street level! Many of Wellers' songs 77-85, seem, sadly, more relevant today than then!
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Get in there TW4TDERS on 10:26 - May 19 with 2713 views
I suppose a lot of former pub rock bands jumped on the bandwagon, including even the Clash, but they were at heart rockers in contrast to Weller who was more of a soul boy, and perhaps this explains the slightly artificial or forced nature of the music he wrote for the Jam in the early years, although at the time I loved it.
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The influence of the first Ramones album and gig on the creation of British punk can't be overestimated but is probably not generally known.
Here are some great photos from, and a great video about, the gig.
Get in there TW4TDERS on 10:10 - May 19 by Bluespeed225
Never got the Clash tbh, maybe an age thing, maybe a style thing. They were just ahead of 'my time' i,e I was 12, plus the then large Rock n Roll scene looked and sounded more interesting, as did the Soul Boys I'd see around, dress up, great music, great clubs. Having said that, the postcard punk look was more manufactured and carefully orchestrated than either of those. No Svengalis driving the Mod resurgence, which led to it being castigated in the press by the end of 1980. Bad news for the press was that it was made of stronger stuff at street level! Many of Wellers' songs 77-85, seem, sadly, more relevant today than then!
I think age does play a big part. My three favourite artists, the Ramones, the Clash and Elvis Costello, came to prominence in 1976/77 when I was 16/17, and particularly amenable to the rebellious nature of the music at that time.
On the Mod Revival, I think this is a great song.
And on the soul front around that time, I really liked Searching for the Young Soul Rebels by Dexys.
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Get in there TW4TDERS on 12:07 - May 19 with 2552 views
I think age does play a big part. My three favourite artists, the Ramones, the Clash and Elvis Costello, came to prominence in 1976/77 when I was 16/17, and particularly amenable to the rebellious nature of the music at that time.
On the Mod Revival, I think this is a great song.
And on the soul front around that time, I really liked Searching for the Young Soul Rebels by Dexys.
I think age does play a big part. My three favourite artists, the Ramones, the Clash and Elvis Costello, came to prominence in 1976/77 when I was 16/17, and particularly amenable to the rebellious nature of the music at that time.
On the Mod Revival, I think this is a great song.
And on the soul front around that time, I really liked Searching for the Young Soul Rebels by Dexys.
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I saw Secret Affair last year at Mods Mayday at The Round Chapel
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
I think age does play a big part. My three favourite artists, the Ramones, the Clash and Elvis Costello, came to prominence in 1976/77 when I was 16/17, and particularly amenable to the rebellious nature of the music at that time.
On the Mod Revival, I think this is a great song.
And on the soul front around that time, I really liked Searching for the Young Soul Rebels by Dexys.
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I was 16/17 10 years later 87/88, but it was quite noticeable that we were still listening to predominantly tunes from late 70,s to early 80,s. From the mod thing bands like Secret Affair the Jam, the Chords etc the likes of the Clash, Sham 69, Buzzcocks, Dead Kennedys the Specials, Joy Division. Mixed with the odd bits of mostly earlier Reggae and of course Marvin Gates What's going on. Nothing appeared to change musically til the classic Voodoo Ray.
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Get in there TW4TDERS on 14:45 - May 19 with 2409 views
Get in there TW4TDERS on 12:54 - May 19 by leitrimblue
I was 16/17 10 years later 87/88, but it was quite noticeable that we were still listening to predominantly tunes from late 70,s to early 80,s. From the mod thing bands like Secret Affair the Jam, the Chords etc the likes of the Clash, Sham 69, Buzzcocks, Dead Kennedys the Specials, Joy Division. Mixed with the odd bits of mostly earlier Reggae and of course Marvin Gates What's going on. Nothing appeared to change musically til the classic Voodoo Ray.
The Buzzcocks were secret Mods
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Perhaps interestingly, the Jam were my favourite band when they were in existence, but I don't think their music has stood the test of time, in the way, say, that the music of the Clash has.
And as an aside, I worked in the early 80s with someone who had worked at the same printing firm as Bruce Foxton, before his music career took off.
Not sure. Town Called Malice still sounds great.
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