| Alien spaceships on 13:50 - Jun 7 with 3184 views | J2BLUE |
I think the lack of extensive mainstream coverage is that they have not provided any actual evidence.
I might be wrong but I think the main guy hasn't even actually seen anything himself and it's all based on what he has been told?
FWIW I do actually think governments are hiding proof but we can only see a ton of smoke and no fire at this point. |  |
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| Alien spaceships on 13:53 - Jun 7 with 3167 views | giant_stow |
| Alien spaceships on 13:50 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
I think the lack of extensive mainstream coverage is that they have not provided any actual evidence.
I might be wrong but I think the main guy hasn't even actually seen anything himself and it's all based on what he has been told?
FWIW I do actually think governments are hiding proof but we can only see a ton of smoke and no fire at this point. |
I spose its unprovable without govt buy-in.
The drip drip drip seems to have bene getting louder and more constant in the last few years - almost like we're being softened up for a big reveal at some point.
(sorry to sound like a crank, but at least I have no reputation to imperil, so sod it) |  |
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| Alien spaceships on 13:55 - Jun 7 with 3159 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
There’s no way that Governments and intelligence agencies worldwide (unless the aliens only visit the US) could keep such a thing secret for so many years. They can’t even cover up an illegal birthday gathering or the Panama papers.
Probably secret projects, and as with the develop of vertical take off aircraft, pushing this narrative to keep the Russians/Chinese guessing. |  | | |
| Alien spaceships on 13:56 - Jun 7 with 3145 views | the_toff |
Thought this was already proven beyond doubt with the existence of Robert Earnshaw. | | | |
| Alien spaceships on 13:56 - Jun 7 with 3143 views | giant_stow |
Yes indeed it does, although I'm sticking with my shrill language for kicks. Nice link! | |
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| Alien spaceships on 13:57 - Jun 7 with 3144 views | J2BLUE |
| Alien spaceships on 13:53 - Jun 7 by giant_stow |
I spose its unprovable without govt buy-in.
The drip drip drip seems to have bene getting louder and more constant in the last few years - almost like we're being softened up for a big reveal at some point.
(sorry to sound like a crank, but at least I have no reputation to imperil, so sod it) |
Quite a few of the allegedly ITK crowd have hinted that 'they' are not completely friendly...
It's fascinating and I do believe we will see proof in my life time.
In fact, I would put a decent bet on proof by 2030. | |
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| Alien spaceships on 13:58 - Jun 7 with 3134 views | giant_stow |
| Alien spaceships on 13:55 - Jun 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
There’s no way that Governments and intelligence agencies worldwide (unless the aliens only visit the US) could keep such a thing secret for so many years. They can’t even cover up an illegal birthday gathering or the Panama papers.
Probably secret projects, and as with the develop of vertical take off aircraft, pushing this narrative to keep the Russians/Chinese guessing. |
The article(s) mention that loads of govts would be in on it and that the phenomena isn;t limited to the US. Fair point on hiding it, but then again, maybe that's what's starting to crumble now? | |
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| Alien spaceships on 14:01 - Jun 7 with 3107 views | homer_123 |
| Alien spaceships on 13:57 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
Quite a few of the allegedly ITK crowd have hinted that 'they' are not completely friendly...
It's fascinating and I do believe we will see proof in my life time.
In fact, I would put a decent bet on proof by 2030. |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(1983_miniseries) |  |
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| Alien spaceships on 14:02 - Jun 7 with 3099 views | J2BLUE |
| Alien spaceships on 13:58 - Jun 7 by giant_stow |
The article(s) mention that loads of govts would be in on it and that the phenomena isn;t limited to the US. Fair point on hiding it, but then again, maybe that's what's starting to crumble now? |
Purely speculating here but if there was a genuine threat then the in the know nations of the world probably would be able to keep it secret.
At least at the very top levels. | |
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| Alien spaceships on 14:05 - Jun 7 with 3083 views | giant_stow |
| Alien spaceships on 13:57 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
Quite a few of the allegedly ITK crowd have hinted that 'they' are not completely friendly...
It's fascinating and I do believe we will see proof in my life time.
In fact, I would put a decent bet on proof by 2030. |
Intriguing - what sort of hints? | |
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| Alien spaceships on 14:07 - Jun 7 with 3071 views | StokieBlue |
| Alien spaceships on 13:57 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
Quite a few of the allegedly ITK crowd have hinted that 'they' are not completely friendly...
It's fascinating and I do believe we will see proof in my life time.
In fact, I would put a decent bet on proof by 2030. |
If we are going to speculate (and please note this is only for a mental exercise rather than something I believe) then how about this scenario:
"They" as you describe them aren't alien but are non-human. Most of the "leaked" footage people see nowadays is alleged craft entering and leaving the ocean so one could speculate there is another Earth-evolved intelligent species who are aquatic and might be rather annoyed that we have totally trashed their natural habitat - hence the increase in sightings.
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| Alien spaceships on 14:11 - Jun 7 with 3044 views | the_toff |
| Alien spaceships on 13:57 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
Quite a few of the allegedly ITK crowd have hinted that 'they' are not completely friendly...
It's fascinating and I do believe we will see proof in my life time.
In fact, I would put a decent bet on proof by 2030. |
Scientifically it's improbable that life doesn't exist off Earth. Not in our solar system, but somewhere. Perhaps life on Earth is a fluke and against all odds, but it would be pretty naive to assume there aren't the habitable conditions elsewhere to support life. There's also the question around what are habitable conditions, which we only tend to consider within the context of what we know.
Whether there's any out there with the capabilities to reach us is another question, but it's perfectly plausible. Maybe they can, they have and they do, maybe they were on Earth before us?
Mind boggling stuff really. [Post edited 7 Jun 2023 14:13]
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| Alien spaceships on 14:17 - Jun 7 with 3005 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Alien spaceships on 14:11 - Jun 7 by the_toff |
Scientifically it's improbable that life doesn't exist off Earth. Not in our solar system, but somewhere. Perhaps life on Earth is a fluke and against all odds, but it would be pretty naive to assume there aren't the habitable conditions elsewhere to support life. There's also the question around what are habitable conditions, which we only tend to consider within the context of what we know.
Whether there's any out there with the capabilities to reach us is another question, but it's perfectly plausible. Maybe they can, they have and they do, maybe they were on Earth before us?
Mind boggling stuff really. [Post edited 7 Jun 2023 14:13]
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One would also assume that a theoretical advanced species with the technology to travel billions of miles through space (manned or unmanned), defy gravity and g-forces, would be sophisticated enough to go undetected.
Especially since a number of fairly crude spy balloons went undetected in US airspace for so long… [Post edited 7 Jun 2023 14:26]
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| Alien spaceships on 14:22 - Jun 7 with 2958 views | J2BLUE |
| Alien spaceships on 14:05 - Jun 7 by giant_stow |
Intriguing - what sort of hints? |
Doing this from memory so apologies if this isn't accurate but I THINK Luis Elizondo, David Grusch and, a more out there one, Tom DeLonge have all hinted it's not all great news.
Elizondo said it was 'depressing'
DeLonge said it kept him awake
Grusch used the word malevolent
No comment on the credentials of any of these people. Posted purely to add context.
DeLonge was in Blink 182 but left to go and research this stuff. Again, no comment on his credibility or otherwise. | |
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| Alien spaceships on 14:25 - Jun 7 with 2912 views | J2BLUE |
| Alien spaceships on 14:07 - Jun 7 by StokieBlue |
If we are going to speculate (and please note this is only for a mental exercise rather than something I believe) then how about this scenario:
"They" as you describe them aren't alien but are non-human. Most of the "leaked" footage people see nowadays is alleged craft entering and leaving the ocean so one could speculate there is another Earth-evolved intelligent species who are aquatic and might be rather annoyed that we have totally trashed their natural habitat - hence the increase in sightings.
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Can't rule it out.
So many rabbit holes to go down. Can easily read one thing on aliens/space/non human intelligence and lose several hours digging deeper.
Just adds more questions though. | |
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| Alien spaceships on 14:26 - Jun 7 with 2906 views | giant_stow |
| Alien spaceships on 14:07 - Jun 7 by StokieBlue |
If we are going to speculate (and please note this is only for a mental exercise rather than something I believe) then how about this scenario:
"They" as you describe them aren't alien but are non-human. Most of the "leaked" footage people see nowadays is alleged craft entering and leaving the ocean so one could speculate there is another Earth-evolved intelligent species who are aquatic and might be rather annoyed that we have totally trashed their natural habitat - hence the increase in sightings.
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fascinating - cheers | |
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| Alien spaceships on 14:26 - Jun 7 with 2904 views | giant_stow |
| Alien spaceships on 14:22 - Jun 7 by J2BLUE |
Doing this from memory so apologies if this isn't accurate but I THINK Luis Elizondo, David Grusch and, a more out there one, Tom DeLonge have all hinted it's not all great news.
Elizondo said it was 'depressing'
DeLonge said it kept him awake
Grusch used the word malevolent
No comment on the credentials of any of these people. Posted purely to add context.
DeLonge was in Blink 182 but left to go and research this stuff. Again, no comment on his credibility or otherwise. |
crikey! | |
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| Alien spaceships on 14:30 - Jun 7 with 2881 views | the_toff |
| Alien spaceships on 14:17 - Jun 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One would also assume that a theoretical advanced species with the technology to travel billions of miles through space (manned or unmanned), defy gravity and g-forces, would be sophisticated enough to go undetected.
Especially since a number of fairly crude spy balloons went undetected in US airspace for so long… [Post edited 7 Jun 2023 14:26]
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Quite. And we only developed telescopes in the 1600's. In the grand scheme of things our understanding is basic. Even in that period of time the dimensions of our know universe has increased exponentially. Technology continues to advance, but it's only been <70 years since we actually started 'listening' for contact. I can't see a world in our lifetime where we are capable of making contact such distances, but it's possible we'll have contact made by more advanced forms of life (if it hasn't already been). | | | |
| Alien spaceships on 14:45 - Jun 7 with 2839 views | StokieBlue |
| Alien spaceships on 14:17 - Jun 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One would also assume that a theoretical advanced species with the technology to travel billions of miles through space (manned or unmanned), defy gravity and g-forces, would be sophisticated enough to go undetected.
Especially since a number of fairly crude spy balloons went undetected in US airspace for so long… [Post edited 7 Jun 2023 14:26]
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Possibly worth pointing out that "billions of miles" is a huge understatement of the task at hand. Pluto is 3.1bn miles from Earth and humans have managed to get probes there fairly easily. The real distances are truly hard for the human mind to comprehend.
Alpha Centauri, our closest neighbour is ~24 trillion miles from Earth.
Having said that, a micro-probe launched by humans and accelerated by a laser could theoretically reach the next closest star in about 30 years. This would be tiny though, basically just a microchip and a light sail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot
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| Alien spaceships on 14:51 - Jun 7 with 2818 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Alien spaceships on 14:45 - Jun 7 by StokieBlue |
Possibly worth pointing out that "billions of miles" is a huge understatement of the task at hand. Pluto is 3.1bn miles from Earth and humans have managed to get probes there fairly easily. The real distances are truly hard for the human mind to comprehend.
Alpha Centauri, our closest neighbour is ~24 trillion miles from Earth.
Having said that, a micro-probe launched by humans and accelerated by a laser could theoretically reach the next closest star in about 30 years. This would be tiny though, basically just a microchip and a light sail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot
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Yes but as it stands many scientists believe that is a work of science fiction. The technology doesn’t even exist for the Starshot program, the laser would need to be enormous, the power needed infeasible, and most of the probes would be destroyed before they reached there. An ambitious idea which I applaud, but there’s more chance of me walking on the moon than that happening in my lifetime! | | | |
| Alien spaceships on 14:52 - Jun 7 with 2815 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Alien spaceships on 14:07 - Jun 7 by StokieBlue |
If we are going to speculate (and please note this is only for a mental exercise rather than something I believe) then how about this scenario:
"They" as you describe them aren't alien but are non-human. Most of the "leaked" footage people see nowadays is alleged craft entering and leaving the ocean so one could speculate there is another Earth-evolved intelligent species who are aquatic and might be rather annoyed that we have totally trashed their natural habitat - hence the increase in sightings.
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“there is another Earth-evolved intelligent species who are aquatic and might be rather annoyed that we have totally trashed their natural habitat”
They should be grateful to us - we’ve created more ocean for them by melting the icecaps. | | | |
| Alien spaceships on 14:58 - Jun 7 with 2794 views | StokieBlue |
| Alien spaceships on 14:51 - Jun 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Yes but as it stands many scientists believe that is a work of science fiction. The technology doesn’t even exist for the Starshot program, the laser would need to be enormous, the power needed infeasible, and most of the probes would be destroyed before they reached there. An ambitious idea which I applaud, but there’s more chance of me walking on the moon than that happening in my lifetime! |
Agreed, I did say "theoretically".
It's possible using existing physics which is the point, it is however not possible using existing technology.
Anyone coming here will either need to have cracked some physics we don't know exists or travel at a good fraction of C for a very long time (which is possible given existing physics).
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| Alien spaceships on 15:17 - Jun 7 with 2736 views | J2BLUE |
| Alien spaceships on 14:51 - Jun 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Yes but as it stands many scientists believe that is a work of science fiction. The technology doesn’t even exist for the Starshot program, the laser would need to be enormous, the power needed infeasible, and most of the probes would be destroyed before they reached there. An ambitious idea which I applaud, but there’s more chance of me walking on the moon than that happening in my lifetime! |
We are the ones possibly being visited though. Our current technology isn't really relevant.
Another civilisation could be 1,000, 10,000, 1,000,000 years ahead of us. That's before considering things like wormholes, robots, time travel and who knows what else?
I do agree on the point you made earlier though. If they are so advanced why not hide themselves? One theory is that they simply couldn't care less about us and they observe us like we would observe ants.
It's a shame we have to die. I would love to spend 100 years studying this stuff. | |
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| Alien spaceships on 15:28 - Jun 7 with 2718 views | Guthrum |
If the information has been cleared for publication on the internet by the DoD (as stated in the article), then it isn't exactly top secret. Which one would expect programmes attempting to reverse-engineer alien technology to be, of the highest level.
I'm slightly concerned at the mention of 'unique atomic arrangements', as that smacks of bending the laws of physics (which I suppose the aliens would have had to do in order to reach here in the first place). |  |
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