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"Jonathan Grey, a current US intelligence official at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (Nasic), confirmed the existence of “exotic materials” to the Debrief, adding: “We are not alone.”"
Surprised more isn't being made of this - seems to come from credible people.
Gulp.
I wonder if they've come to observe what happens when a population wipes itself out with AI, climate catastrophe or straight up war?
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Possibly worth pointing out that "billions of miles" is a huge understatement of the task at hand. Pluto is 3.1bn miles from Earth and humans have managed to get probes there fairly easily. The real distances are truly hard for the human mind to comprehend.
Alpha Centauri, our closest neighbour is ~24 trillion miles from Earth.
Having said that, a micro-probe launched by humans and accelerated by a laser could theoretically reach the next closest star in about 30 years. This would be tiny though, basically just a microchip and a light sail.
We are the ones possibly being visited though. Our current technology isn't really relevant.
Another civilisation could be 1,000, 10,000, 1,000,000 years ahead of us. That's before considering things like wormholes, robots, time travel and who knows what else?
I do agree on the point you made earlier though. If they are so advanced why not hide themselves? One theory is that they simply couldn't care less about us and they observe us like we would observe ants.
It's a shame we have to die. I would love to spend 100 years studying this stuff.
Chances are though J2 that many a civilisation has come and gone - if we think about our 'timespan' on this planet in comparison to the Universe and how long it has been about and how large it is etc.
Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
Chances are though J2 that many a civilisation has come and gone - if we think about our 'timespan' on this planet in comparison to the Universe and how long it has been about and how large it is etc.
Chances are though J2 that many a civilisation has come and gone - if we think about our 'timespan' on this planet in comparison to the Universe and how long it has been about and how large it is etc.
Time is certainly 1 factor that diminishes the likelihood of non Earthlings living simultaneously with us today. However it's just 1 of many factors, but the vastness of what's out there still makes it plausible. There might be many planets that are no longer inhabited but have been at some point. Is there one currently inhabited?
What really blows my mind is there's a finite amount of time Earth will be habitable. Have species advanced elsewhere and been through similar things as we are doing now at some point, prior to extinction? Similar advances in technology and use of their resources, similar damage to their habitat and climate, speculated about the existence of intelligent life on other planets, watched their favourite sports teams?
If the information has been cleared for publication on the internet by the DoD (as stated in the article), then it isn't exactly top secret. Which one would expect programmes attempting to reverse-engineer alien technology to be, of the highest level.
I'm slightly concerned at the mention of 'unique atomic arrangements', as that smacks of bending the laws of physics (which I suppose the aliens would have had to do in order to reach here in the first place).
Exactly. They must be doing something niche to get here.
To me the conclusion through the Drake equation has always been intelligent, sophisticated life outside of Earth is certain so it's just a matter of time when it crops up.
If the information has been cleared for publication on the internet by the DoD (as stated in the article), then it isn't exactly top secret. Which one would expect programmes attempting to reverse-engineer alien technology to be, of the highest level.
I'm slightly concerned at the mention of 'unique atomic arrangements', as that smacks of bending the laws of physics (which I suppose the aliens would have had to do in order to reach here in the first place).
I would say that the laws of physics as we understand them at this point are only the laws of physics as we understand them at this point.
We could certainly do with some 'external' help, or rather the biosphere, of which we are but one large and clever yet mindblowingly stupid and unobservant part, could.
Purely speculating here but if there was a genuine threat then the in the know nations of the world probably would be able to keep it secret.
At least at the very top levels.
Any one else read about Fermi paradox ? theory is on probability alone there should be 100s of thousands of civilisations out there, so why haven’t we heard from them ? One theory being there is a race of very dangerous hunter type aliens out there and nobody else is silly enough to draw attention to themselves…
Any one else read about Fermi paradox ? theory is on probability alone there should be 100s of thousands of civilisations out there, so why haven’t we heard from them ? One theory being there is a race of very dangerous hunter type aliens out there and nobody else is silly enough to draw attention to themselves…
“there is a race of very dangerous hunter type aliens out there”
Sure - but if we cover ourselves in mud they won’t be able to see us.
Any one else read about Fermi paradox ? theory is on probability alone there should be 100s of thousands of civilisations out there, so why haven’t we heard from them ? One theory being there is a race of very dangerous hunter type aliens out there and nobody else is silly enough to draw attention to themselves…
That's the "Dark Forest" theory. It's a bit of a circular theory though, how can one find out they need to be quiet to avoid the hunters without interacting with other civilisations who can tell them about the hunters?
"“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”
So some non human life form is sending vee hickles to float around earth, to crash .... to what purpose. A life form that is able to do this from billions (?0 of miles away yet is dependent on for them must be a very primitive method of transport.
{i]" Oh no, our latest spy vee hickle has just crashed (the propeller snapped we have to assume) we had better send another one
"Another one, that's the 17th in as many years" *(/i]
Throughout history, man has sought to explain the 'unknown' through the levels of his understanding at any given time. So we have had spirits, angels, ghosts and suchlike. All dismissed now as we gain greater knowledge.
That we can build aircraft that become invisible to detection, you would have thought these folk would know how to use craft that were not visible to human eyes, or craft that self-destructed so as to avoid investigation.
Are we also to assume the materials these vee hickles are made of are those also found on earth ?
The very idea that some non human life form is regularly sending craft on spying missions is absurd. Who says they are dependent upon breathing oxygen and drink water ? Already humans are attempting to communicate with 'whatever is out there' by 'radio waves' but certainly not some super spy plane.
If we are going to speculate (and please note this is only for a mental exercise rather than something I believe) then how about this scenario:
"They" as you describe them aren't alien but are non-human. Most of the "leaked" footage people see nowadays is alleged craft entering and leaving the ocean so one could speculate there is another Earth-evolved intelligent species who are aquatic and might be rather annoyed that we have totally trashed their natural habitat - hence the increase in sightings.
SB
"Most of the "leaked" footage people see nowadays is alleged craft entering and leaving the ocean."
Really, most?! I've been interested in this sort of stuff for a long time and don't recall much, if any, entering and leaving the ocean. The latest reports from US navy pilots have just seen stuff shoot off, not necessarily "into" the ocean.
"Most of the "leaked" footage people see nowadays is alleged craft entering and leaving the ocean."
Really, most?! I've been interested in this sort of stuff for a long time and don't recall much, if any, entering and leaving the ocean. The latest reports from US navy pilots have just seen stuff shoot off, not necessarily "into" the ocean.
"Most" was probably too heavy, however much of the latest Navy reports centre around ocean contacts and things going into or being in the ocean.
"Most of the "leaked" footage people see nowadays is alleged craft entering and leaving the ocean."
Really, most?! I've been interested in this sort of stuff for a long time and don't recall much, if any, entering and leaving the ocean. The latest reports from US navy pilots have just seen stuff shoot off, not necessarily "into" the ocean.
Yea, now the dinosaurs have gone, visitors pop in just to do a bit of kraken watching, but even that is becoming less popular.
"“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”
So some non human life form is sending vee hickles to float around earth, to crash .... to what purpose. A life form that is able to do this from billions (?0 of miles away yet is dependent on for them must be a very primitive method of transport.
{i]" Oh no, our latest spy vee hickle has just crashed (the propeller snapped we have to assume) we had better send another one
"Another one, that's the 17th in as many years" *(/i]
Throughout history, man has sought to explain the 'unknown' through the levels of his understanding at any given time. So we have had spirits, angels, ghosts and suchlike. All dismissed now as we gain greater knowledge.
That we can build aircraft that become invisible to detection, you would have thought these folk would know how to use craft that were not visible to human eyes, or craft that self-destructed so as to avoid investigation.
Are we also to assume the materials these vee hickles are made of are those also found on earth ?
The very idea that some non human life form is regularly sending craft on spying missions is absurd. Who says they are dependent upon breathing oxygen and drink water ? Already humans are attempting to communicate with 'whatever is out there' by 'radio waves' but certainly not some super spy plane.
An in depth look at these theories
(30 secs in)
Why the need to change "vehicles” to "vee hickles" Harry? It doesn't benefit your argument, just makes it very obvious you're trying to belittle the reports.
1. To what purpose? Study?
2. Spirits, angels and ghosts have nothing to do with it. They are 'supernatural'. Aliens existing wouldn't be supernatural, it would be as natural as humans, or ants or jellyfish, existing.
3. "you would have thought these folk would know how to use craft that were not visible to human eyes, or craft that self-destructed so as to avoid investigation." Why? You're looking at this from a human POV. Maybe it's possible to travel huge distances but that doesn't automatically mean it's possible to do it invisibly. Maybe self-destruction is not a thing they consider. Again that's a very human way of thinking. That's like saying why don't ants think about self destructing.
4. "The very idea that some non human life form is regularly sending craft on spying missions is absurd." Why absurd? We humans try to find out information on everything we don't know, that's how science progresses.
5. "Who says they are dependent upon breathing oxygen and drink water?" I dunno, who says that? Not sure your point here. Life, as far as we know so far, depends on water, so perhaps all life forms in the universe require water.
When you contemplate the size of the universe (more stars than grains of sand on Earth, and each of those could have several planets around them) it's more absurd to say there's no life out there, and none way more advanced (or way behind) us.
They've got the timing just right - deepfakes are so good now that any video footage can be dismissed as hokum (I wonder if that's the first time the word 'hokum' has been used on TWTD? Is it even the right word? Or am I thinking of bunkum?)
"“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”
So some non human life form is sending vee hickles to float around earth, to crash .... to what purpose. A life form that is able to do this from billions (?0 of miles away yet is dependent on for them must be a very primitive method of transport.
{i]" Oh no, our latest spy vee hickle has just crashed (the propeller snapped we have to assume) we had better send another one
"Another one, that's the 17th in as many years" *(/i]
Throughout history, man has sought to explain the 'unknown' through the levels of his understanding at any given time. So we have had spirits, angels, ghosts and suchlike. All dismissed now as we gain greater knowledge.
That we can build aircraft that become invisible to detection, you would have thought these folk would know how to use craft that were not visible to human eyes, or craft that self-destructed so as to avoid investigation.
Are we also to assume the materials these vee hickles are made of are those also found on earth ?
The very idea that some non human life form is regularly sending craft on spying missions is absurd. Who says they are dependent upon breathing oxygen and drink water ? Already humans are attempting to communicate with 'whatever is out there' by 'radio waves' but certainly not some super spy plane.
An in depth look at these theories
(30 secs in)
"So some non human life form is sending vee hickles to float around earth, to crash .... to what purpose".
Yeah because we've never sent robotic spacecraft to another planet have we.
Oh, you worded it as factual, didn't realise you were doing a thought experiment relating to your previous underwater stuff.
Haven't read that stuff yet, but it seems weird they'd have flying craft if they live (undetected) in the sea (and therefore would have to be very deep). What would be the need for it (other than buzzing US fighter pilots for a laugh)?
Oh, you worded it as factual, didn't realise you were doing a thought experiment relating to your previous underwater stuff.
Haven't read that stuff yet, but it seems weird they'd have flying craft if they live (undetected) in the sea (and therefore would have to be very deep). What would be the need for it (other than buzzing US fighter pilots for a laugh)?
Think about it this way:
What is the difference between a submarine and a spaceship?
If you think about it they have a lot in common. Further to that if you can move quickly underwater then depending on the tech there is no reason you couldn't move quickly above the water and might want to see what is up there and who is messing around with the ocean you live in with microplastics and such like.
As I said, all just a thought experiment but an interesting one maybe.
What is the difference between a submarine and a spaceship?
If you think about it they have a lot in common. Further to that if you can move quickly underwater then depending on the tech there is no reason you couldn't move quickly above the water and might want to see what is up there and who is messing around with the ocean you live in with microplastics and such like.
As I said, all just a thought experiment but an interesting one maybe.
SB
I was watching a documentary about this once, but it was frankly ruined when the makers went a bit goofy when describing the aquatic life form.
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