| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks 20:35 - Sep 10 with 9950 views | textbackup |
Because I’m completely confused as to what I’m reading today, and appreciate some is total BS pushed by some for their own agendas and thoughts.
- a pensioner with an income of over £xxxxx will lose their £300 heating allowance.
- MPs earn £xxxxxx a year, and get an allowance of £xxxxx on top of their wage.
- MPs have voted for this, but haven’t had their own heating allowance questioned (true/false)
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:46 - Sep 10 with 5384 views | itfcjoe |
MPs don’t get a heating allowance |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:48 - Sep 10 with 5372 views | textbackup |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:46 - Sep 10 by itfcjoe |
MPs don’t get a heating allowance |
lol… so everything I’ve read today IS bo11ocks then. Why would people even bother saying it if it’s BS. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:51 - Sep 10 with 5350 views | stainless |
There is a lot of scare mongering by the Tories about the scrapping of the heating allowance. It is now going to be means tested, so those that don't need it won't get it. Millions will still be eligible.
The government say they will be raising the pension at the next budget by approximately £400. |  | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:53 - Sep 10 with 5316 views | textbackup |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:51 - Sep 10 by stainless |
There is a lot of scare mongering by the Tories about the scrapping of the heating allowance. It is now going to be means tested, so those that don't need it won't get it. Millions will still be eligible.
The government say they will be raising the pension at the next budget by approximately £400. |
So what’s the actual cut off for who does/doesn’t get it? | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:59 - Sep 10 with 5256 views | BloomBlue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:53 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
So what’s the actual cut off for who does/doesn’t get it? |
Those who worked all their life don't get it, those who didn't will get it. |  | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:01 - Sep 10 with 5234 views | stainless |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:53 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
So what’s the actual cut off for who does/doesn’t get it? |
For an able bodied pensioner it is £220 a week or £330 for a couple. If you have disabilities or other health issues it could be higher.
At the moment every pensioner gets the payment, even if they still work full time or have a million pound in the bank. | | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:08 - Sep 10 with 5191 views | stainless |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:59 - Sep 10 by BloomBlue |
Those who worked all their life don't get it, those who didn't will get it. |
A lot of the older pensioners 80+ probably didn't have decent work pensions, especially if they were self-employed.
Admittedly most people that work nowadays will have decent pensions to supplement the state pension, so you are right there.
However every government in the last 20 years has pushed company pension schemes and I believe there won't be such a thing as a state pension in a few years, you will be expected to survive on your personal pension. | | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:09 - Sep 10 with 5195 views | textbackup |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:01 - Sep 10 by stainless |
For an able bodied pensioner it is £220 a week or £330 for a couple. If you have disabilities or other health issues it could be higher.
At the moment every pensioner gets the payment, even if they still work full time or have a million pound in the bank. |
So a single person, getting £11440 will get £300 extra.
If they get £11500 a year, they won’t?
£958 a month (£11500) that’s absolute pennies to live on, isn’t it…?
(Appreciate you might not have the answers, I’m just thinking out loud here) | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:13 - Sep 10 with 5162 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:59 - Sep 10 by BloomBlue |
Those who worked all their life don't get it, those who didn't will get it. |
You mean those who have had well paid jobs and so have a good pension compared to those who were made redundant and unable to ever gain a decent job again. My uncle was an engineer on a ship until he got made redeundant and he and his wife had been saving to buy a house. They didn't get benefits until all their savings had gone.
It is easy to get sucked into the media's demonisation of the lazy poor without having any awareness of the human beings involved. |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:17 - Sep 10 with 5126 views | stainless |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:09 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
So a single person, getting £11440 will get £300 extra.
If they get £11500 a year, they won’t?
£958 a month (£11500) that’s absolute pennies to live on, isn’t it…?
(Appreciate you might not have the answers, I’m just thinking out loud here) |
You can have that argument about any benefit payout. Do you give people enough to survive on, assuming mortgage is paid and no kids at home. Or should the tax payer be subsiding someone so they can afford to go on holiday, or go down the pub every weekend, etc?
My Mother lives on state pension alone and still saves enough to spend £100's on her grandchildren at Christmas. | | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:20 - Sep 10 with 5068 views | textbackup |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:08 - Sep 10 by stainless |
A lot of the older pensioners 80+ probably didn't have decent work pensions, especially if they were self-employed.
Admittedly most people that work nowadays will have decent pensions to supplement the state pension, so you are right there.
However every government in the last 20 years has pushed company pension schemes and I believe there won't be such a thing as a state pension in a few years, you will be expected to survive on your personal pension. |
You think they’ll stop it for new people paying a NI contribution?
Or even to those that have paid in a significant amount already? (I’ve been working since I was 16, now approaching 40. For example) | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:23 - Sep 10 with 5017 views | itfcjoe |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:48 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
lol… so everything I’ve read today IS bo11ocks then. Why would people even bother saying it if it’s BS. |
I guess just to try and make a point about things and get traction on social media. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:28 - Sep 10 with 4972 views | J2BLUE |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:23 - Sep 10 by itfcjoe |
I guess just to try and make a point about things and get traction on social media. |
They can use expenses for utilities in their London rented homes which is probably what people are talking about although it's obviously different to paying their main home bills with expenses. |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:28 - Sep 10 with 4970 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:20 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
You think they’ll stop it for new people paying a NI contribution?
Or even to those that have paid in a significant amount already? (I’ve been working since I was 16, now approaching 40. For example) |
It's impossible to say what will happen in the future but there are those who argue that it is unaffordable just as there are those who argue the NHS is as well. Ultimately it is about whether we are prepared to pay the taxes required to pay for the services/benefits. It would be up for legal challenge, I am sure, if they stopped paying a state pension entirely. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:29 - Sep 10 with 4955 views | BloomBlue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:13 - Sep 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You mean those who have had well paid jobs and so have a good pension compared to those who were made redundant and unable to ever gain a decent job again. My uncle was an engineer on a ship until he got made redeundant and he and his wife had been saving to buy a house. They didn't get benefits until all their savings had gone.
It is easy to get sucked into the media's demonisation of the lazy poor without having any awareness of the human beings involved. |
No I'm not talking just about well paid jobs. If you worked for 35 years+ even in low paid jobs, you get full state pension, and in many situations no private pension. If you're on full state pension you're above the pension credit limit, which means you don't get the winter fuel payment.
My lovely neighbour Jean, worked all her life in various companies, as a cleaner, packer, cook, etc, all jobs you could class as low paid. Non of the jobs offered her a private pension and she couldn't afford to start one.
She worked for over 40 years, she at least now gets her full state pension, but won't get the winter fuel payments now.
I don't get sucked in by the media I look at actual cases. | | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:32 - Sep 10 with 4914 views | Guthrum |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:09 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
So a single person, getting £11440 will get £300 extra.
If they get £11500 a year, they won’t?
£958 a month (£11500) that’s absolute pennies to live on, isn’t it…?
(Appreciate you might not have the answers, I’m just thinking out loud here) |
Tho if a homeowner, there may well be no mortgage by then. If not there is means-tested housing benefit available. |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:33 - Sep 10 with 4904 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:29 - Sep 10 by BloomBlue |
No I'm not talking just about well paid jobs. If you worked for 35 years+ even in low paid jobs, you get full state pension, and in many situations no private pension. If you're on full state pension you're above the pension credit limit, which means you don't get the winter fuel payment.
My lovely neighbour Jean, worked all her life in various companies, as a cleaner, packer, cook, etc, all jobs you could class as low paid. Non of the jobs offered her a private pension and she couldn't afford to start one.
She worked for over 40 years, she at least now gets her full state pension, but won't get the winter fuel payments now.
I don't get sucked in by the media I look at actual cases. |
Fair enough, but I do object to the implication about those who will still receive it.
There do appear to be problems with the level at which they are means testing the benefit and those who really should be eligible but will not be. I don't know the detail but seeing the reputation of those complaining about it (McDonnell, Lynch, etc), I recognise the government certainly haven't got this right. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:33 - Sep 10 with 4901 views | J2BLUE |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:29 - Sep 10 by BloomBlue |
No I'm not talking just about well paid jobs. If you worked for 35 years+ even in low paid jobs, you get full state pension, and in many situations no private pension. If you're on full state pension you're above the pension credit limit, which means you don't get the winter fuel payment.
My lovely neighbour Jean, worked all her life in various companies, as a cleaner, packer, cook, etc, all jobs you could class as low paid. Non of the jobs offered her a private pension and she couldn't afford to start one.
She worked for over 40 years, she at least now gets her full state pension, but won't get the winter fuel payments now.
I don't get sucked in by the media I look at actual cases. |
Without going too much into her finances you should tell her to check if she qualifies for pension credit. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:45 - Sep 10 with 4711 views | BloomBlue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:33 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
Without going too much into her finances you should tell her to check if she qualifies for pension credit. |
She applied and was rejected. Unless you have some other benefit like disability, then the full state will be above the pension credit limit
Not having a go about your comment re people being made redundant and unable to find other employment, that is a difficult situation.
But in my neighbours situation her friend didn't work all her life and will get the winter fuel because she only gets the basic state pension and was able to claim pension credits.
That's why a lot of pensioners are genuinely upset, it's not purely pensioners who were in well paid jobs | | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:46 - Sep 10 with 4707 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:48 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
lol… so everything I’ve read today IS bo11ocks then. Why would people even bother saying it if it’s BS. |
While MPs dint receive heating allowance they can claim utilities costs in expenses if they rent in London or have a second residence in their constituency. So they can in fact claim heating costs.
https://www.theipsa.org.uk/news/why-we-fund-certain-utility-bills |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:49 - Sep 10 with 4680 views | textbackup |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:32 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
Tho if a homeowner, there may well be no mortgage by then. If not there is means-tested housing benefit available. |
Yeah factored in there’s no mortgage.
However, £958 is the bare bones. Food, bills, possibly running a car, if not public transport costs, and on and on… | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:59 - Sep 10 with 4628 views | Guthrum |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:49 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
Yeah factored in there’s no mortgage.
However, £958 is the bare bones. Food, bills, possibly running a car, if not public transport costs, and on and on… |
Some people live on that little, even with housing costs. It's not by any means generous, but then it is a state benefit and there isn't the political will or public desire to tax more heavily in order to be afford better provision. That's the limit we run up against. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 22:01 - Sep 10 with 4611 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:09 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
So a single person, getting £11440 will get £300 extra.
If they get £11500 a year, they won’t?
£958 a month (£11500) that’s absolute pennies to live on, isn’t it…?
(Appreciate you might not have the answers, I’m just thinking out loud here) |
Pennies you say.
https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 22:26 - Sep 10 with 4486 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:32 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
Tho if a homeowner, there may well be no mortgage by then. If not there is means-tested housing benefit available. |
Isn’t housing benefit linked to Pension Credit, as is free TV licence for over 75’s
If you earn £1 more than the threshold for Pension Credit or have savings over £10,000 you miss out big time. A simple cut off point is so unfair to many.
An unfairness you might expect from a Tory government but not a Labour one. Guess those who called Labour out as Tory Light were right. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 22:32 - Sep 10 with 4475 views | BlueForYou |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:46 - Sep 10 by itfcjoe |
MPs don’t get a heating allowance |
Not strictly true. They claim for full allowances on their London accommodation, rented or owned. |  | | |
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