| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks 20:35 - Sep 10 with 9965 views | textbackup |
Because I’m completely confused as to what I’m reading today, and appreciate some is total BS pushed by some for their own agendas and thoughts.
- a pensioner with an income of over £xxxxx will lose their £300 heating allowance.
- MPs earn £xxxxxx a year, and get an allowance of £xxxxx on top of their wage.
- MPs have voted for this, but haven’t had their own heating allowance questioned (true/false)
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 22:38 - Sep 10 with 1984 views | J2BLUE |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:45 - Sep 10 by BloomBlue |
She applied and was rejected. Unless you have some other benefit like disability, then the full state will be above the pension credit limit
Not having a go about your comment re people being made redundant and unable to find other employment, that is a difficult situation.
But in my neighbours situation her friend didn't work all her life and will get the winter fuel because she only gets the basic state pension and was able to claim pension credits.
That's why a lot of pensioners are genuinely upset, it's not purely pensioners who were in well paid jobs |
I didn't make any such comment. |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 01:14 - Sep 11 with 1934 views | stonojnr |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:46 - Sep 10 by itfcjoe |
MPs don’t get a heating allowance |
That's because so many of them speak hot air they're self heating. |  | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 06:35 - Sep 11 with 1880 views | USA |
One of your current threads is moaning about being told stuff on here that ended up not happening. Researching these things yourself is the way to go. | | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 06:56 - Sep 11 with 1856 views | Benters |
What a day for Labour! Stitching up Millions of pensioners with a bit of winter help with heat.
Letting out 1700 prisoners early,and how they danced with champers.
Yet all the time we have uncontrolled immigration or as they call it now ‘irregular migration’ Who are coming to the country in record numbers. |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 07:11 - Sep 11 with 1798 views | noggin |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:51 - Sep 10 by stainless |
There is a lot of scare mongering by the Tories about the scrapping of the heating allowance. It is now going to be means tested, so those that don't need it won't get it. Millions will still be eligible.
The government say they will be raising the pension at the next budget by approximately £400. |
"The government say they will be raising the pension at the next budget by approximately £400."
Isn't that just what's due under the triple lock? |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 07:12 - Sep 11 with 1800 views | Meadowlark |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:51 - Sep 10 by stainless |
There is a lot of scare mongering by the Tories about the scrapping of the heating allowance. It is now going to be means tested, so those that don't need it won't get it. Millions will still be eligible.
The government say they will be raising the pension at the next budget by approximately £400. |
It is not means tested. There is a hard cut-off if you don't qualify for pension credit. That is not strictly means testing. |  | | |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:21 - Sep 11 with 1706 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:51 - Sep 10 by stainless |
There is a lot of scare mongering by the Tories about the scrapping of the heating allowance. It is now going to be means tested, so those that don't need it won't get it. Millions will still be eligible.
The government say they will be raising the pension at the next budget by approximately £400. |
The pension is rising because of the triple lock, so that was happening anyway (of course Labour had to confirm they would stick to it). So this is money that’s being taken away. Here’s £400 to cover inflation, now give us £300 back. It’s fair for people to be annoyed by that imo. (We shouldn’t need a heating allowance at all imo; the state pension should be sufficient to allow people to retire with dignity - but we are where we are).
For most, losing the money won’t matter and it’s just another part of the cost of living issue. For some it really will matter though, as hundreds of thousands are expected to slip through the net. It’s the continued erosion of state support for pensioners (on top of the frozen tax threshold for years).
Ps - yes, there’s a lot of scare mongering from the Tories, although some are spot on. There’s also a lot of scaremongering from Labour. The idea that this move is required to save the economy from collapsing is laughable. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 8:23]
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:26 - Sep 11 with 1666 views | textbackup |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 20:46 - Sep 10 by itfcjoe |
MPs don’t get a heating allowance |
Unsure if I’ve posted this correctly… but there’s a whole load of claiming for energy usage on here. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:29 - Sep 11 with 1649 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 21:49 - Sep 10 by textbackup |
Yeah factored in there’s no mortgage.
However, £958 is the bare bones. Food, bills, possibly running a car, if not public transport costs, and on and on… |
Yep, and that’s why people should try to put a little aside each month into a private pension if they can. Although that’s obviously not so easy if they’re paying extortionate rent, saving for ann extortionate mortgage or and living off zero hours contracts though. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:30 - Sep 11 with 1642 views | Benters |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:26 - Sep 11 by textbackup |
Unsure if I’ve posted this correctly… but there’s a whole load of claiming for energy usage on here. |
I don’t know why Joe said they didn’t claim ! | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:33 - Sep 11 with 1635 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:21 - Sep 11 by Swansea_Blue |
The pension is rising because of the triple lock, so that was happening anyway (of course Labour had to confirm they would stick to it). So this is money that’s being taken away. Here’s £400 to cover inflation, now give us £300 back. It’s fair for people to be annoyed by that imo. (We shouldn’t need a heating allowance at all imo; the state pension should be sufficient to allow people to retire with dignity - but we are where we are).
For most, losing the money won’t matter and it’s just another part of the cost of living issue. For some it really will matter though, as hundreds of thousands are expected to slip through the net. It’s the continued erosion of state support for pensioners (on top of the frozen tax threshold for years).
Ps - yes, there’s a lot of scare mongering from the Tories, although some are spot on. There’s also a lot of scaremongering from Labour. The idea that this move is required to save the economy from collapsing is laughable. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 8:23]
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It is worth pointing out that the payment is per household and the amount is £200 rising to £300 if over 80.
So if two pensioners living together they receive £100 each.
Not heard it mention but assume the stupid £10 Christmas bonus paid to each and every pensioner will also be a thing of the past. Boo. |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:41 - Sep 11 with 1608 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:26 - Sep 11 by textbackup |
Unsure if I’ve posted this correctly… but there’s a whole load of claiming for energy usage on here. |
As mentioned above, that’ll be allowable expenses for her permissible London accommodation, as part of the MP’s working allowances. It’s not the same as receiving a universal heating allowance. (Any OAP MPs will also be losing their £300 heating allowance).
It’s comparing apples with pears, although obviously it’s not the best optics. I wouldn’t want to extend that arguement out and have all working expenses banned. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 8:42]
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:46 - Sep 11 with 1601 views | giant_stow |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 06:56 - Sep 11 by Benters |
What a day for Labour! Stitching up Millions of pensioners with a bit of winter help with heat.
Letting out 1700 prisoners early,and how they danced with champers.
Yet all the time we have uncontrolled immigration or as they call it now ‘irregular migration’ Who are coming to the country in record numbers. |
you can see though, surely, that prisons are full and immigration is high because of stuff that happened before the election though, right? |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:56 - Sep 11 with 1565 views | noggin |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 06:56 - Sep 11 by Benters |
What a day for Labour! Stitching up Millions of pensioners with a bit of winter help with heat.
Letting out 1700 prisoners early,and how they danced with champers.
Yet all the time we have uncontrolled immigration or as they call it now ‘irregular migration’ Who are coming to the country in record numbers. |
And while your attention is on a few poor refugees, the rich are hoarding more and mire wealth. It's they who are taking from the pensioners and destroying public services. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:02 - Sep 11 with 1543 views | itfcjoe |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:26 - Sep 11 by textbackup |
Unsure if I’ve posted this correctly… but there’s a whole load of claiming for energy usage on here. |
MPs get an allowance for a second home so they can have one in their constituency and one close enough to work in Westminster.
There's lots of issues with the system, but I don't really see the problem with this - as it is an MP earns around £90k, which is a lot obviously, but they wouldn't be able to run two houses on that including one in London |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:03 - Sep 11 with 1527 views | itfcjoe |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:29 - Sep 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, and that’s why people should try to put a little aside each month into a private pension if they can. Although that’s obviously not so easy if they’re paying extortionate rent, saving for ann extortionate mortgage or and living off zero hours contracts though. |
And no doubt in 30 years or so the meagre amount something like auto enrolment into a work pension scheme will be seen as enough to not give people a state pension...! | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:13 - Sep 11 with 1479 views | Benters |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:56 - Sep 11 by noggin |
And while your attention is on a few poor refugees, the rich are hoarding more and mire wealth. It's they who are taking from the pensioners and destroying public services. |
A few ?
There are currently 1.6 Million foreign nationals in Blighty on the old rock and roll !
Slightly more than ‘a few’. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:20 - Sep 11 with 1439 views | noggin |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:13 - Sep 11 by Benters |
A few ?
There are currently 1.6 Million foreign nationals in Blighty on the old rock and roll !
Slightly more than ‘a few’. |
Drop in the ocean, even if true benters. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:21 - Sep 11 with 1449 views | Guthrum |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:13 - Sep 11 by Benters |
A few ?
There are currently 1.6 Million foreign nationals in Blighty on the old rock and roll !
Slightly more than ‘a few’. |
That's more than the total number of unemployed people in the UK.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9366/
In May to July 2024, the unemployment figure was 1.44m, by no means all of whom will be of foreign origin.
People migrate to the UK to work (legally or otherwise), not to battle with the Universal Credit system. |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:25 - Sep 11 with 1411 views | noggin |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:21 - Sep 11 by Guthrum |
That's more than the total number of unemployed people in the UK.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9366/
In May to July 2024, the unemployment figure was 1.44m, by no means all of whom will be of foreign origin.
People migrate to the UK to work (legally or otherwise), not to battle with the Universal Credit system. |
Yeah but why destroy a good xenophobic scare story, designed to spread hatred? | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 10:18 - Sep 11 with 1289 views | textbackup |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:02 - Sep 11 by itfcjoe |
MPs get an allowance for a second home so they can have one in their constituency and one close enough to work in Westminster.
There's lots of issues with the system, but I don't really see the problem with this - as it is an MP earns around £90k, which is a lot obviously, but they wouldn't be able to run two houses on that including one in London |
Right, so they do get an allowance of some description, and heating that second home falls under that.
Wonder if they’ve heard of the premier inn hubs all over London these days. Would imagine they are cheaper to stay in | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 10:23 - Sep 11 with 1269 views | factual_blue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 06:56 - Sep 11 by Benters |
What a day for Labour! Stitching up Millions of pensioners with a bit of winter help with heat.
Letting out 1700 prisoners early,and how they danced with champers.
Yet all the time we have uncontrolled immigration or as they call it now ‘irregular migration’ Who are coming to the country in record numbers. |
Plus ça change |  |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 10:23 - Sep 11 with 1264 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 10:18 - Sep 11 by textbackup |
Right, so they do get an allowance of some description, and heating that second home falls under that.
Wonder if they’ve heard of the premier inn hubs all over London these days. Would imagine they are cheaper to stay in |
An allowance is a given sum. MP’s are refunded in full for Utility costs. | |
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 10:38 - Sep 11 with 1214 views | soupytwist |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 08:21 - Sep 11 by Swansea_Blue |
The pension is rising because of the triple lock, so that was happening anyway (of course Labour had to confirm they would stick to it). So this is money that’s being taken away. Here’s £400 to cover inflation, now give us £300 back. It’s fair for people to be annoyed by that imo. (We shouldn’t need a heating allowance at all imo; the state pension should be sufficient to allow people to retire with dignity - but we are where we are).
For most, losing the money won’t matter and it’s just another part of the cost of living issue. For some it really will matter though, as hundreds of thousands are expected to slip through the net. It’s the continued erosion of state support for pensioners (on top of the frozen tax threshold for years).
Ps - yes, there’s a lot of scare mongering from the Tories, although some are spot on. There’s also a lot of scaremongering from Labour. The idea that this move is required to save the economy from collapsing is laughable. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 8:23]
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Martin Lewis gives a good account of the context of the combination of the planned pension increase and the removal of the universal pensioner winter fuel allowance.
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| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 10:45 - Sep 11 with 1200 views | longtimefan |
| Can someone that knows the facts on this please fill in the blanks on 09:02 - Sep 11 by itfcjoe |
MPs get an allowance for a second home so they can have one in their constituency and one close enough to work in Westminster.
There's lots of issues with the system, but I don't really see the problem with this - as it is an MP earns around £90k, which is a lot obviously, but they wouldn't be able to run two houses on that including one in London |
A Cabinet minister such as Rachael Reeves receives an additional £68K on top of that £90K though. | | | |
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