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Always wary of misinformation on there now. However, the silence on this from the usual suspects shows a lot about what they really care about.
If anyone happened to catch the journalist on the News Agents podcast who covered the original trials and exposé, he was incredibly compelling in his account of the initial difficulties covering grooming gangs.
The recent move by the opposition to ruin the latest bill to protect children is incredibly shameful. I wonder if it is to distract for the problems in their own community?
Bit like the vigorously homophobic National Front, a sizeable proportion of whose members turned out to be gay (with a thing about boots, tight jeans, short hair and/or nazis).
very good to expose the far right in this way. alas every community / group / collection of people has perpetrators like these - but the number here seems very high. i guess in making comparisons to grooming elsewhere the difference is that here there is no suggestion that the police or other public authorities failed to act. the scandal in oldham etc is not which community was involved but that the public authorities utterly failed the victims.
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This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 12:00 - Jan 10 with 4935 views
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 10:20 - Jan 10 by Guthrum
Bit like the vigorously homophobic National Front, a sizeable proportion of whose members turned out to be gay (with a thing about boots, tight jeans, short hair and/or nazis).
It does seem a classic case of repression - calling yourself the master race when you’re actually a pervert etc does fit
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 10:52 - Jan 10 by lowhouseblue
very good to expose the far right in this way. alas every community / group / collection of people has perpetrators like these - but the number here seems very high. i guess in making comparisons to grooming elsewhere the difference is that here there is no suggestion that the police or other public authorities failed to act. the scandal in oldham etc is not which community was involved but that the public authorities utterly failed the victims.
"the scandal in oldham etc is not which community was involved but that the public authorities utterly failed the victims."
Surely even you don't believe that? For SYL and the sheep that follow him, the demographic of the abusers is the only thing that matters. They don't care about the victims.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 12:34 - Jan 10 by noggin
"the scandal in oldham etc is not which community was involved but that the public authorities utterly failed the victims."
Surely even you don't believe that? For SYL and the sheep that follow him, the demographic of the abusers is the only thing that matters. They don't care about the victims.
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That was one demographic of the abusers. The other, which people tend to forget, is taxi drivers.
Taxi drivers - people with the means and cover to move victims around, opportunities to meet and groom vulnerable girls (transporting them under the auspices of the care system), a knowlege of secluded locations where abuse can be carried out and so on.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 12:34 - Jan 10 by noggin
"the scandal in oldham etc is not which community was involved but that the public authorities utterly failed the victims."
Surely even you don't believe that? For SYL and the sheep that follow him, the demographic of the abusers is the only thing that matters. They don't care about the victims.
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i really don't care what scum like him think or what matters to him. the scandal in oldham etc is that thousands of kids were raped and the police, cps and local authorities failed to act and failed to protect them. if you don't see that as that as a national scandal and a national disgrace then you're just like syl in putting agenda driven point scoring above victims.
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This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 18:35 - Jan 10 with 4240 views
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:06 - Jan 10 by lowhouseblue
i really don't care what scum like him think or what matters to him. the scandal in oldham etc is that thousands of kids were raped and the police, cps and local authorities failed to act and failed to protect them. if you don't see that as that as a national scandal and a national disgrace then you're just like syl in putting agenda driven point scoring above victims.
Oh, I thought the thread was about SYL and his mob.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 12:34 - Jan 10 by noggin
"the scandal in oldham etc is not which community was involved but that the public authorities utterly failed the victims."
Surely even you don't believe that? For SYL and the sheep that follow him, the demographic of the abusers is the only thing that matters. They don't care about the victims.
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Richard Tice was wanging on about this yesterday and it was all about them being Muslims. Not a single mention of failures of the councils, other than to say it’s always Labour councils (and I wouldn’t take that on face value, although I think Oldham and Rochdale were). He speaks reasonably well and claims to be for the people, so he’ll no doubt appeal to some. Yet you don’t have to dig very deep to see the Islamophobia coming through. He wasn’t interested in anyone not a Muslim who was a sexual predator.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 19:35 - Jan 10 by Swansea_Blue
Richard Tice was wanging on about this yesterday and it was all about them being Muslims. Not a single mention of failures of the councils, other than to say it’s always Labour councils (and I wouldn’t take that on face value, although I think Oldham and Rochdale were). He speaks reasonably well and claims to be for the people, so he’ll no doubt appeal to some. Yet you don’t have to dig very deep to see the Islamophobia coming through. He wasn’t interested in anyone not a Muslim who was a sexual predator.
Careful now, lowhouse will accuse you of having a point scoring agenda.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 20:16 - Jan 10 by noggin
Careful now, lowhouse will accuse you of having a point scoring agenda.
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again, since you're struggling here, tice and syl can say what ever they want - i couldn't care less. but do not let their nonsense distract you from the fact that this is a major national scandal - public bodies (the police, local councils, social services, the cps) systematically failed thousands of children who were raped and exploited. public servants turned a blind eye. ignore any claim of a race angle but don't lose sight of the fact that the state failed thousands of victims.
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This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 22:58 - Jan 10 with 3750 views
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 22:42 - Jan 10 by lowhouseblue
again, since you're struggling here, tice and syl can say what ever they want - i couldn't care less. but do not let their nonsense distract you from the fact that this is a major national scandal - public bodies (the police, local councils, social services, the cps) systematically failed thousands of children who were raped and exploited. public servants turned a blind eye. ignore any claim of a race angle but don't lose sight of the fact that the state failed thousands of victims.
I know, but that wasn't the subject of the thread.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 22:58 - Jan 10 by noggin
I know, but that wasn't the subject of the thread.
jeez. the subject of the thread, as stated in the first para, was: "Tommy Robinson claimed that he was exposing grooming gangs, but in reality, he headed EDL, which was full of pedophiles & groomers."
i replied that "the difference is that [with the perpetrators in the EDL] there is no suggestion that the police or other public authorities failed to act. the scandal in oldham etc is not which community was involved but that the public authorities utterly failed the victims."
if you can't follow a simple conversation go and do something else.
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This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 23:18 - Jan 10 with 3677 views
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 23:05 - Jan 10 by lowhouseblue
jeez. the subject of the thread, as stated in the first para, was: "Tommy Robinson claimed that he was exposing grooming gangs, but in reality, he headed EDL, which was full of pedophiles & groomers."
i replied that "the difference is that [with the perpetrators in the EDL] there is no suggestion that the police or other public authorities failed to act. the scandal in oldham etc is not which community was involved but that the public authorities utterly failed the victims."
if you can't follow a simple conversation go and do something else.
Everyone knows that the cover ups are a national scandal. It's not exactly breaking news, is it?
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 22:42 - Jan 10 by lowhouseblue
again, since you're struggling here, tice and syl can say what ever they want - i couldn't care less. but do not let their nonsense distract you from the fact that this is a major national scandal - public bodies (the police, local councils, social services, the cps) systematically failed thousands of children who were raped and exploited. public servants turned a blind eye. ignore any claim of a race angle but don't lose sight of the fact that the state failed thousands of victims.
I think that’s partially true, and that’s what makes it difficult. There is testimony that people in power (police and councillors) made those sort of comments but there were also people challenging them from the off.
There has also been significant change in that regard thanks to plenty of people’s hard work at the time and since.
I really encourage anyone to listen to this episode I mentioned previously. It deals with exactly that issue. One consideration too is that some of these incidents were 20 years ago or so. We get constant training and updates on CSE etc because the picture changes so rapidly.
That isn’t excusing any of the failures at all, but making them out to be so total and homogenous isn’t true. That’s why the far right misinformation is gaining traction, they are simplifying and talking no in absolutes about a very painful and complex picture.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 10:20 - Jan 10 by Guthrum
Bit like the vigorously homophobic National Front, a sizeable proportion of whose members turned out to be gay (with a thing about boots, tight jeans, short hair and/or nazis).
But like this then...
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This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 09:02 - Jan 11 with 3280 views
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 20:16 - Jan 10 by noggin
Careful now, lowhouse will accuse you of having a point scoring agenda.
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When several German women were sexually abused on New Years Eve by Muslim gangs in Cologne a few years back, you tried to dismiss it as “a right wing conspiracy” and “nowt but a bit if bum tickling”.
These children were failed by the authorities because of the same sort of thinking as yours. You shouldn’t be anywhere a thread like this.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 08:16 - Jan 11 by Mullet
I think that’s partially true, and that’s what makes it difficult. There is testimony that people in power (police and councillors) made those sort of comments but there were also people challenging them from the off.
There has also been significant change in that regard thanks to plenty of people’s hard work at the time and since.
I really encourage anyone to listen to this episode I mentioned previously. It deals with exactly that issue. One consideration too is that some of these incidents were 20 years ago or so. We get constant training and updates on CSE etc because the picture changes so rapidly.
That isn’t excusing any of the failures at all, but making them out to be so total and homogenous isn’t true. That’s why the far right misinformation is gaining traction, they are simplifying and talking no in absolutes about a very painful and complex picture.
all these things are very complex and after 20 years you hope things have changed. responses are never homogenous, but the fact that there were so many children involved and it occurred in such a similar way across so many areas points to a systematic failure. there were very few whistle blowers. the fact that it took journalists like that one to 'expose' the scandal over years of investigations also speaks to people covering their tracks. my concern is that no one has been held to account - who senior has resigned or been disciplined? jeez, the archbishop of canterbury resigned over a single historic child protection failure - this involves thousands.
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This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 12:40 - Jan 11 with 2939 views
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 09:38 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue
all these things are very complex and after 20 years you hope things have changed. responses are never homogenous, but the fact that there were so many children involved and it occurred in such a similar way across so many areas points to a systematic failure. there were very few whistle blowers. the fact that it took journalists like that one to 'expose' the scandal over years of investigations also speaks to people covering their tracks. my concern is that no one has been held to account - who senior has resigned or been disciplined? jeez, the archbishop of canterbury resigned over a single historic child protection failure - this involves thousands.
At the risk of making this political, social care has been so underfunded and fractured for so long almost intentionally.
The vote winners are never the most vulnerable in society. That’s why the generation who were handed so much, are looking rather hypocritical when screaming for a performative inquiry now. As we can see the conversation about demographics confuses tackling predators as a criminal, social and moral issue.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 12:40 - Jan 11 by Mullet
At the risk of making this political, social care has been so underfunded and fractured for so long almost intentionally.
The vote winners are never the most vulnerable in society. That’s why the generation who were handed so much, are looking rather hypocritical when screaming for a performative inquiry now. As we can see the conversation about demographics confuses tackling predators as a criminal, social and moral issue.
a lot of this predates austerity. i really don't know the relevance of "the generation who were handed so much" in this context. concerns about this seem to have more to do with class than age and a lot of the calls for an enquiry come from the communities directly impacted by this scandal. it is very condescending to dismiss people with political cliches of that nature. part of what an enquiry does is recognise the legitimacy of people's concerns and the experience of victims. it also holds the state to account for its failures. telling people "they've been handed so much" and to stop "screaming" just drives them towards frauds like farage. when we end up with farage as prime minister you'll be able to say: "well i told those oiks they were old, hypocritical, performative, had been handed too much and should stop screaming about stuff, but for some reason i just don't understand they still voted for farage."
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This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 13:53 - Jan 11 with 2727 views
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 13:32 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue
a lot of this predates austerity. i really don't know the relevance of "the generation who were handed so much" in this context. concerns about this seem to have more to do with class than age and a lot of the calls for an enquiry come from the communities directly impacted by this scandal. it is very condescending to dismiss people with political cliches of that nature. part of what an enquiry does is recognise the legitimacy of people's concerns and the experience of victims. it also holds the state to account for its failures. telling people "they've been handed so much" and to stop "screaming" just drives them towards frauds like farage. when we end up with farage as prime minister you'll be able to say: "well i told those oiks they were old, hypocritical, performative, had been handed too much and should stop screaming about stuff, but for some reason i just don't understand they still voted for farage."
By all means have yet another inquiry but would people, and children specifically, not be better served by government implementing Professor Jay's recommendations outlined in her 2014 report on child abuse in Rotherham and the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse chaired by her and which reported in 2022?
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 13:53 - Jan 11 by You_Bloo_Right
By all means have yet another inquiry but would people, and children specifically, not be better served by government implementing Professor Jay's recommendations outlined in her 2014 report on child abuse in Rotherham and the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse chaired by her and which reported in 2022?
you can do both. the final hillsborough enquiry followed previous investigations and came after all the relevant safety improvements had long been implemented. no one can argue that identifying those responsible wasn't still needed.
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This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 14:21 - Jan 11 with 2642 views
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 13:32 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue
a lot of this predates austerity. i really don't know the relevance of "the generation who were handed so much" in this context. concerns about this seem to have more to do with class than age and a lot of the calls for an enquiry come from the communities directly impacted by this scandal. it is very condescending to dismiss people with political cliches of that nature. part of what an enquiry does is recognise the legitimacy of people's concerns and the experience of victims. it also holds the state to account for its failures. telling people "they've been handed so much" and to stop "screaming" just drives them towards frauds like farage. when we end up with farage as prime minister you'll be able to say: "well i told those oiks they were old, hypocritical, performative, had been handed too much and should stop screaming about stuff, but for some reason i just don't understand they still voted for farage."
I wasn’t making a point about austerity as a policy specifically, but that is self evident with the hindsight we also have. Care homes, sexual offences, domestic violence etc have always been underrepresented in the law, spending and headlines.
Those who were happy to benefit from governments creating greater social inequality for decades, can’t then be quite so righteous asking where all the professionals and funding was to prevent this. After all, this is a very niche criminal phenomenon within a minority of a minority etc.
The lack of vitriol towards SYL and his ilk for their own sins, or the Epstein island scandal from the other side of the pond shows that there is a selective and racial bias from the swell of support Reform et al are enjoying. There is a clear age and ethnic bias to that support base too. Denying it is making your position incredibly problematic.
Whether it’s condescending or not, it’s ironic given the complaints about “cultural sensitivity” being banded about. We have a massive issue with trying to other paedophiles and victims in this country, rather than looking at the crimes and offending themselves. Pretending they’re not like us so much belong to other groups, is part of why we are in the mess we are.
Farage will always drive support his way, he’ll say anything and take money from anywhere to fund his lifestyle. What you’re suggesting is appeasement of that by not offending those too lazy to do any thinking. Unfortunately, if they refuse to educate themselves a little or understand the issue just indulging them only strengthens the grifters.
This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 13:53 - Jan 11 by You_Bloo_Right
By all means have yet another inquiry but would people, and children specifically, not be better served by government implementing Professor Jay's recommendations outlined in her 2014 report on child abuse in Rotherham and the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse chaired by her and which reported in 2022?
This is the strange thing isn’t it? People weren’t this outraged when the Tories sat on it were they?
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