| India in deep sh1t over water on 09:58 - Jun 28 with 3114 views | Guthrum |
An awful lot of places are in deep manure over (clean) water supplies. For example, it is a major driver in the conflicts in Syria and Israel/Palestine. Over-irrigation in central Asia has drained the Aral Sea and created a crisis there. That's before you start to consider Africa. |  |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:04 - Jun 28 with 3093 views | GeoffSentence |
Melting Himalayan glaciers. Plenty of them to tap into. |  |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:07 - Jun 28 with 3083 views | WeWereZombies |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 09:58 - Jun 28 by Guthrum |
An awful lot of places are in deep manure over (clean) water supplies. For example, it is a major driver in the conflicts in Syria and Israel/Palestine. Over-irrigation in central Asia has drained the Aral Sea and created a crisis there. That's before you start to consider Africa. |
I have seen the water tankers arrive with armed guards in Ethiopia, sobering.
And, as shown up in the map of the World in giant_ullaa's post at 80% danger level, Australia has problems too:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/ |  |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:08 - Jun 28 with 3080 views | StokieBlue |
Many causes of this issue but a huge one is right here:
"India is set to overtake China as the world's most populous country in less than a decade -- and by 2050 it will have added 416 million urban residents, according to the UN."
That's a simply unsustainable and arguably irresponsible level of population increase when coupled with:
"Demand for water will reach twice the available supply by 2030, the UN report said -- placing hundreds of millions of lives in danger."
There are many things wrong with China's population growth policies but at least they understood they needed to have one. Increasing their population from 873m to 1380m between 1990 and 2020 was never going to end well.
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:29 - Jun 28 with 3053 views | WeWereZombies |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:08 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
Many causes of this issue but a huge one is right here:
"India is set to overtake China as the world's most populous country in less than a decade -- and by 2050 it will have added 416 million urban residents, according to the UN."
That's a simply unsustainable and arguably irresponsible level of population increase when coupled with:
"Demand for water will reach twice the available supply by 2030, the UN report said -- placing hundreds of millions of lives in danger."
There are many things wrong with China's population growth policies but at least they understood they needed to have one. Increasing their population from 873m to 1380m between 1990 and 2020 was never going to end well.
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Whilst I appreciate your concern over the rapid increase in India's population it is more complex than it at first appears. The Indian government was the first in the developing world to introduce a family planning programme back in 1951 and women's fertility rate is dropping. However, life expectancy has improved in recent decades but is now threatened to fall in 2019 due to air pollution. Whether this will lead to a reversal in people moving from rural to urban areas is doubtful, so the chances of an improvement in water shortages are less likely. As ever, the best solutions lie in effective distribution rather than forcing people to limit their natural urges.
And China is not without its own water crisis:
https://globalriskinsights.com/2017/08/shocks-china-growing-water-crisis/ | |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:40 - Jun 28 with 3042 views | StokieBlue |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:29 - Jun 28 by WeWereZombies |
Whilst I appreciate your concern over the rapid increase in India's population it is more complex than it at first appears. The Indian government was the first in the developing world to introduce a family planning programme back in 1951 and women's fertility rate is dropping. However, life expectancy has improved in recent decades but is now threatened to fall in 2019 due to air pollution. Whether this will lead to a reversal in people moving from rural to urban areas is doubtful, so the chances of an improvement in water shortages are less likely. As ever, the best solutions lie in effective distribution rather than forcing people to limit their natural urges.
And China is not without its own water crisis:
https://globalriskinsights.com/2017/08/shocks-china-growing-water-crisis/ |
Regardless I still think a 58% increase in population in a 30 year period is asking for all kinds of problems. Water supply is only one of them - there are loads of others.
The article on China is interesting (and I did say their policy was far from perfect) but it looks to be more a problem of policy and organisation. This is shocking:
"A 2009 World Bank report stated that China was using ten times more water per unit of production than the average industrialised country, and that pollution has made the water in 19% of main rivers and 35% of reservoirs useless for agriculture and industry."
Both of those facts are really poor and a huge part of why they are lacking water supplies.
Water is going to be the cause of a lot of fighting over the next century. There is a lot of tension and a feeling in Russia that China believes it should control Siberia. Clearly Russia don't and will never agree but who knows what might kick off in the next 100 years.
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:50 - Jun 28 with 3024 views | WD19 |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:08 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
Many causes of this issue but a huge one is right here:
"India is set to overtake China as the world's most populous country in less than a decade -- and by 2050 it will have added 416 million urban residents, according to the UN."
That's a simply unsustainable and arguably irresponsible level of population increase when coupled with:
"Demand for water will reach twice the available supply by 2030, the UN report said -- placing hundreds of millions of lives in danger."
There are many things wrong with China's population growth policies but at least they understood they needed to have one. Increasing their population from 873m to 1380m between 1990 and 2020 was never going to end well.
SB |
https://sites.uoit.ca/sustainabilitytoday/urban-and-energy-systems/Worlds-larges
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:51 - Jun 28 with 3023 views | Pinewoodblue |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 09:58 - Jun 28 by Guthrum |
An awful lot of places are in deep manure over (clean) water supplies. For example, it is a major driver in the conflicts in Syria and Israel/Palestine. Over-irrigation in central Asia has drained the Aral Sea and created a crisis there. That's before you start to consider Africa. |
You could add California to the list.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/21/us/california-drinking-water.html |  |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:56 - Jun 28 with 3011 views | StokieBlue |
The predicted population growth of Nigeria is totally ridiculous - a bigger population that the USA in country only 1.5 times the size of Texas. That's obviously going to end well....
5 of the top 7 cities in Africa.
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 11:27 - Jun 28 with 2981 views | WeWereZombies |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 10:56 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
The predicted population growth of Nigeria is totally ridiculous - a bigger population that the USA in country only 1.5 times the size of Texas. That's obviously going to end well....
5 of the top 7 cities in Africa.
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Do you think it will pan out in the way a simple extrapolation of current trends predicts? Human populations are dynamic, an improvement in living conditions eventually pans out into a reduction in birth rates as families tend to move from weight in numbers strategies that seek to counter low life expectancy to nuclear families that invest more care onto fewer children. Also consider the effects of increased migration, those big numbers might not impact the African cities so much as the nearest place the inhabitants can escape to. | |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 16:20 - Jun 28 with 2867 views | shady |
Well reading this and living near Chennai it’s not all total doom,
statistical charts rarely follow straight lines.
I am expecting in the next 6 months the Indians to be ecstatic about 2 irrelevant issues:
Overtaking China as the most populous country and overtaking UK on GDP.
Neither will solve the real issues, but they will sleep happier feeling they are ahead of the curve.
In the world’s only functional Anarchy (Churchill’s words) it’s to be expected. It’s not China:
People cannot be ordered and they have zero social responsibility.
however, luckily they are praying to God...
And it did rain a bit in Chennai, this faith makes them invincible.
So many problems but they can survive by breaking some rules,
this is necessary as jobs are scarce; there is no social security or
pension schemes
The weather God has not been kind.
I live in Tamil Nadu and of our 37 rivers all 37 have no water.
There was no rain for 190 days…until last week when maybe an inch in total.
Of course its patchy, our town miraculously has water, don’t ask me how. Every day I wonder.
Still there is always a way round.
Incidentally drinking water always has to be bought which comes in 20 litre cans.
On the positive side:
This drought may bring about more public awareness.
The southern states have stable population, any increase is due to a few northerners trans locating.
So Indians can control their population and educate their girls which helps with this.
Yes, people migrate to cities for job opportunities, hopefully this may slow down a bit.
Not much fun living in very polluted cities.
Chennai is to get another desalination plant of 150million litres a day which could be ready in 30months. But at what environmental cost…the sea will have increased salinity affecting fish. Also another reservoir is almost ready. |  | | |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 17:16 - Jun 28 with 2806 views | Guthrum |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 16:20 - Jun 28 by shady |
Well reading this and living near Chennai it’s not all total doom,
statistical charts rarely follow straight lines.
I am expecting in the next 6 months the Indians to be ecstatic about 2 irrelevant issues:
Overtaking China as the most populous country and overtaking UK on GDP.
Neither will solve the real issues, but they will sleep happier feeling they are ahead of the curve.
In the world’s only functional Anarchy (Churchill’s words) it’s to be expected. It’s not China:
People cannot be ordered and they have zero social responsibility.
however, luckily they are praying to God...
And it did rain a bit in Chennai, this faith makes them invincible.
So many problems but they can survive by breaking some rules,
this is necessary as jobs are scarce; there is no social security or
pension schemes
The weather God has not been kind.
I live in Tamil Nadu and of our 37 rivers all 37 have no water.
There was no rain for 190 days…until last week when maybe an inch in total.
Of course its patchy, our town miraculously has water, don’t ask me how. Every day I wonder.
Still there is always a way round.
Incidentally drinking water always has to be bought which comes in 20 litre cans.
On the positive side:
This drought may bring about more public awareness.
The southern states have stable population, any increase is due to a few northerners trans locating.
So Indians can control their population and educate their girls which helps with this.
Yes, people migrate to cities for job opportunities, hopefully this may slow down a bit.
Not much fun living in very polluted cities.
Chennai is to get another desalination plant of 150million litres a day which could be ready in 30months. But at what environmental cost…the sea will have increased salinity affecting fish. Also another reservoir is almost ready. |
With regard to desalination plants, the sea is so huge that even 150m litres per day is an unnoticeably small amount (at that rate would take nearly five million years to work through just the Indian Ocean). Plus the removed salt does not necessarily go back in.
Desalination is a very good answer to water shortages - except that it's only coastal and requires energy (another thing we're quite short of). | |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 17:17 - Jun 28 with 2801 views | Guthrum |
Indeed. | |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 17:42 - Jun 28 with 2781 views | Guthrum |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 11:27 - Jun 28 by WeWereZombies |
Do you think it will pan out in the way a simple extrapolation of current trends predicts? Human populations are dynamic, an improvement in living conditions eventually pans out into a reduction in birth rates as families tend to move from weight in numbers strategies that seek to counter low life expectancy to nuclear families that invest more care onto fewer children. Also consider the effects of increased migration, those big numbers might not impact the African cities so much as the nearest place the inhabitants can escape to. |
The problem is the lag in that process of reducing birthrates. Results in a burst of population growth.
Fine if, as with Britain's Industrial Revolution, there is a large requirement for labour to give them livelihoods. But in the absence of that, severe social problems will ensue (possibly including migration and even war). | |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 17:53 - Jun 28 with 2771 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 16:20 - Jun 28 by shady |
Well reading this and living near Chennai it’s not all total doom,
statistical charts rarely follow straight lines.
I am expecting in the next 6 months the Indians to be ecstatic about 2 irrelevant issues:
Overtaking China as the most populous country and overtaking UK on GDP.
Neither will solve the real issues, but they will sleep happier feeling they are ahead of the curve.
In the world’s only functional Anarchy (Churchill’s words) it’s to be expected. It’s not China:
People cannot be ordered and they have zero social responsibility.
however, luckily they are praying to God...
And it did rain a bit in Chennai, this faith makes them invincible.
So many problems but they can survive by breaking some rules,
this is necessary as jobs are scarce; there is no social security or
pension schemes
The weather God has not been kind.
I live in Tamil Nadu and of our 37 rivers all 37 have no water.
There was no rain for 190 days…until last week when maybe an inch in total.
Of course its patchy, our town miraculously has water, don’t ask me how. Every day I wonder.
Still there is always a way round.
Incidentally drinking water always has to be bought which comes in 20 litre cans.
On the positive side:
This drought may bring about more public awareness.
The southern states have stable population, any increase is due to a few northerners trans locating.
So Indians can control their population and educate their girls which helps with this.
Yes, people migrate to cities for job opportunities, hopefully this may slow down a bit.
Not much fun living in very polluted cities.
Chennai is to get another desalination plant of 150million litres a day which could be ready in 30months. But at what environmental cost…the sea will have increased salinity affecting fish. Also another reservoir is almost ready. |
How far to your nearest Pepsi/Coke bottling plant? |  |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 18:38 - Jun 28 with 2725 views | shady |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 17:53 - Jun 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
How far to your nearest Pepsi/Coke bottling plant? |
What are you saying to the thirsty?
"Let them all drink Coke" | | | |
| India in deep sh1t over water on 22:08 - Jun 28 with 2614 views | Swansea_Blue |
I’m not surprised. I sat in govt offices in the early 00s listening to people saying wells 000s of feet deep were running dry. Some now go down 4,5,6 thousand metres. They've known this has been coming for years, but don’t know what to do about it other than develop new technologies to drill deeper. I doubt the warnings are being over played - they really are in a precarious position. |  |
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| India in deep sh1t over water on 00:48 - Jun 29 with 2533 views | WeWereZombies |
One of the daftest things about this is that if you are growing sugar cane for fizzy drinks you are passing up a much better drink, which is the juice you get from sugar cane simply by squeezing, pulping or macerating cane. This can be done with minimal technology and even without any power other than a hand operated press. It can be produced quickly at the point of order so is as fresh as you can get. And doesn't give you hiccoughs. | |
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